Where is the abomination of desolation of Daniel, Matt and Mark shown in Revelation

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BABerean2 said:
I will say it again...

The phrase "the abomination of desolation" is not in the Book of Revelation.

We know Matthew 25:15 is not about the time near the Second Coming, because Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21, are parallel passages.
You are forcing your interpretation on the Bible in order to make your man-made chart work.
Hello BAB. The phrase may not be in there but surely that event should be being shown in Revelation?

Views from the early church:

Matthew 24:15 - Abomination of Desolation | Study Archive





St. Athanasius (296-372)
" (Defense of His Flight [11])

Augustine (379)
"Luke, to show that the abomination spoken of by Daniel will take place when Jerusalem is captured, recalls these words of the Lord in the same context: When you shall see Jerusalem compassed about with an army, then know that the desolation thereof is at hand (xxi. 20). For Luke very clearly bears witness that the prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled when Jerusalem was overthrown." (vol. 6, p. 170)

Chrysostom (379)
"Or because he who had desolated the city and the temple, placed his statue within the temple." (The Ante-Nicene Fathers)

Moreover, in order that they might learn that these things will be while some of them are alive, therefore He said, "When ye see the abomination of desolation." (Of Matthew 24:1,2)
"And see how He relates the war, by the things that seem to be small setting forth how intolerable it was to be. For, "Then,"saith He, "let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains." Then, When? When these things should be, "when the abomination of desolation should stand in the holy place." Whence He seems to me to be speaking of the armies." (Homily 76, Number 1)
Pseudo-Chrysostom
"Whence I think that by the abomination of desolation, He means the army by which the city of the holy Jerusalem was desolated." (Matthew 24:3, Quoted in Golden Chain)
Clement of Alexandria (Second Century)
"For he said that there were two thousand three hundred days from the time that the abomination of Nero stood in the holy city, till its destruction... These two thousand three hundred days make six years four months, during the half of which Nero held sway" (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2, p. 334)
Eusebius Pamphilius (325)
. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,-- all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus." (Book III, Ch. 5)
Jerome
"it may be understood of the statue of Caesar, which Pilate set up in the temple; or of the equestrian statue of Adrian, which stood to the present time in the very Holy of Holies. For, according to the Old Scripture, an idol is called 'abomination;' "of desolation" is added, because the idol was set up in the desolated and deserted temple." (Matthew 24:15, Quoted in Golden Chain)
Remigius
"And this we know was so done when the fall of Jerusalem drew near; for on the approach of the Roman army, all the Christians in the province, warned, as ecclesiastical history tells us, [marg. note: Euseb., H. E., iii. 5] miraculously from heaven, withdrew, and passing the Jordan, took refuge in the city of Pella; and under the protection of that King Agrippa, of whom we read in the Acts of the Apostles, they continued some time; but Agrippa himself, with the Jews whom he governed, was subjected to the dominion of the Romans." (Matthew 24:15, Ibid.)
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whensoever the 1st century Jerusalem Christians fled to Pella is when they recognized the AoD to have occurred
evidently it happened before Titus sacked the city, or else they would probably not have been able to escape
"By May, this [firs wall] was breached and the Second Wall also was taken shortly afterwards, leaving the defenders in possession of the Temple and the upper and lower city. The Jewish defenders were split into factions: John of Gischala's group murdered another faction leader, Eleazar ben Simon, whose men were entrenched in the forecourts of the Temple.

The enmities between John of Gischala and Simon bar Giora were papered over only when the Roman siege engineers began to erect ramparts. Titus then had a wall built to girdle the city in order to starve out the population more effectively. After several failed attempts to breach or scale the walls of the Fortress of Antonia, the Romans finally launched a secret attack, overwhelming the sleeping Zealots and taking the fortress by late July"
seems that the AoD was the murderous bloodshed in the temple in June, prompting Christians to escape before the circumvellation wall was complete and all remaining inhabitants were trapped inside
WHEN PRECISELY did they flee to Pella?
Great post Eric.
This person finally finished the final part 4 Jerusalem 70ad.
This and the video below shows the wall of circumvallation and practically the final chance for escape. [tho they could risk surrender]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ;........
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:19
Woe yet to those pregnant,
and to those giving suck in those the days
Mark 13:17

Woe yet to those pregnant,
and to those giving suck in those the days
Luke 21:23

Woe yet to those pregnant,
and to those giving suck in those the days
for there shall be great distress on the land and wrath on this people;

I believe 70ad Jerusalem is shown in Revelation 18/19 and these 2 verses show both the Famine [Reve 6:6]occurring and the the results of it[Reve 9:6]:

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".


REVELATION 9:6 "MEN WILL BE SEEKING THE DEATH, DEATH IS FLEEING FROM THEM" 70AD SIEGE FAMINE?

Revelation 9:6
And in those days the men shall seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.

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Wall of circumvallation/Famine
The Siege of Jerusalem (70 AD) - Assault on the Antonia Fortress (Part 3/4)


Siege of Jerusalem (70 AD)

..........................The Romans ceased attacking for a few days and Josephus resumed his fruitless appeals for negotiations. Titus ordered the construction of four siege towers near the Fortress Antonia, but well-executed undermining destroyed two of them and a “forlorn hope” attack set the other two afire. A council of war considered options on how to proceed against the Zealots. Although the food supply in the city was rapidly dwindling, secret passages out of Jerusalem allowed foraging parties to acquire food and attack Roman detachments.
Titus ordered a wall of circumvallation to stop this practice. The Roman soldier, who spent more time digging than probably any soldier in history, was exactly the means Titus needed to get this built quickly: it took but three days to surround Jerusalem with 4.5 miles of wall. Construction of four more siege towers also began..........................
 
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Great post Eric.
This person finally finished the final part 4 Jerusalem 70ad.
This and the video below shows the wall of circumvallation and practically the final chance for escape. [tho they could risk surrender]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ;........
==========================
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:19
Woe yet to those pregnant,
and to those giving suck in those the days
Mark 13:17

Woe yet to those pregnant,
and to those giving suck in those the days
Luke 21:23

Woe yet to those pregnant,
and to those giving suck in those the days
for there shall be great distress on the land and wrath on this people;

I believe 70ad Jerusalem is shown in Revelation 18/19 and these 2 verses show both the Famine [Reve 6:6]occurring and the the results of it[Reve 9:6]:

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".


REVELATION 9:6 "MEN WILL BE SEEKING THE DEATH, DEATH IS FLEEING FROM THEM" 70AD SIEGE FAMINE?

Revelation 9:6
And in those days the men shall seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.

=======================
Wall of circumvallation/Famine
The Siege of Jerusalem (70 AD) - Assault on the Antonia Fortress (Part 3/4)


Siege of Jerusalem (70 AD)

..........................The Romans ceased attacking for a few days and Josephus resumed his fruitless appeals for negotiations. Titus ordered the construction of four siege towers near the Fortress Antonia, but well-executed undermining destroyed two of them and a “forlorn hope” attack set the other two afire. A council of war considered options on how to proceed against the Zealots. Although the food supply in the city was rapidly dwindling, secret passages out of Jerusalem allowed foraging parties to acquire food and attack Roman detachments.
Titus ordered a wall of circumvallation to stop this practice. The Roman soldier, who spent more time digging than probably any soldier in history, was exactly the means Titus needed to get this built quickly: it took but three days to surround Jerusalem with 4.5 miles of wall. Construction of four more siege towers also began..........................
according to the opening of part 3, the circumvallation wall forced remaining residents to eating hay and even cannibalism

doesn't seem unreasonable that the Christian community had escaped by this time, and was not reduced to such desperate measures?
 
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Eleazar ben Simon - Wikipedia

In April 70 AD, John of Gischala's forces treacherously entered the Temple and slaughtered zealots under the command of Eleazar ben Simon (who had defeated the Roman legion at Beit Horon in 66 AD)

Roman armies then encircled the city

Bloodshed on the Temple, on the 40th anniversary of the Crucifixion, followed by armies encircling the city, sounds like the prophetic warnings of Christ in the gospels

So, suggest that the Christian community had already fled by the time in April/May when heavy fighting broke out
 
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