Some thoughts on the Sabbath

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Upon looking for someplace to post this where the people Jesus actually came for (non-Christians) could also comment, I was a bit surprised to see how many forums they are excluded from.... kind of like the way we operate our churches. So, I selected this one since the name of the room sounds like where Jesus might choose to post. I know it will do little good to ask, but could you Mods please leave it here?

(BTW, this is mostly taken from a book no one here will probably ever read. It's an expository on the Law.)

Now to examine the sabbath laws more specifically, it is at once apparent that, while the principle of the sabbath remains basic to biblical law, the specific form of sabbath observance changed radically in terms of the new covenant in Christ.


First, the sabbath in the Old Testament law was not primarily a day of worship but a day of rest. The pattern of weekly worship did not exist in the Old Testament law. The synagogue introduced it in the intertestamental period, and the New Testament clearly practiced it and urged it (Hebrews 10:25). In the Old Testament, worship was family-centered, and woven into the fabric of daily life. It should still be so embedded in the common life of man, but there is now also the duty of corporate worship. This corporate worship cannot, however, be confused or equated with rest, although the two are closely associated. Rest has reference here to the soteriological reality, to the fact of redemption, liberation, and wholeness of life. Rest here means confidence in God’s work, so that we cease from our own labors in symbolic representation of our total confidence in God’s accomplishment. The manna in the wilderness set forth God’s rest, and the order to observe the sabbath with confidence in the sufficiency of manna reinforced this fact of God’s provision. When such a God works, man can and must rest (Exodus 16:14-36).


Second, severe laws enforced the sabbath rest. It was not worship which the laws demanded, but rest. The general law was that no work should be done on the sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 34:21; Leviticus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:12-15; Jeremiah 17:22). “The gates should be shut” (Nehemiah 13:19). “Abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day” (Exodus 16:29). Asses should not be laden (Nehemiah 13:15), nor burdens borne (Jeremiah 17:21-22), nor fires kindled (Exodus 35:3), nor sheaves brought in (Nehemiah 13:15), nor sticks gathered (Numbers 15:32-35), nor victuals or wares bought (Nehemiah 10:31) or sold (Nehemiah 13:15), nor wine treaded in the presses (Nehemiah 13:15).

Life, however, could be saved on the sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9), since redemption is the essence of the sabbath. This can mean healing the sick (Matt. 12:10-13; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:8-10; 13:14-16; 14:3-4; John 7:23), or rescuing an animal that has fallen into a pit (Matthew 12:11; Luke 14:5). Since hunger alleviated is a part of redemption, it is proper for one who is hungry to “pluck and eat corn” on the sabbath (Matt. 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5), and the same is true of thirst, so that a thirsty animal can be taken to water in fulfilment of the sabbath (Luke 13:15). Since redemption means defeating God’s enemies, the Maccabees finally came to the logical conclusion that it was in conformity with the sabbath to resist attacks by the enemy (1 Maccabees 2:41 ). These laws make it clear that the essence of the sabbath is the victory of redemption rest. Mary’s Magnificat, because it celebrates the redemption through the Messiah, is a sabbath song in essence, and it properly forms a part of sabbath worship:


(The Magnificat is a canticle, also known as the Song of Mary, the Canticle of Mary and, in the Byzantine tradition, the Ode of the Theotokos. It is traditionally incorporated into the liturgical services of the Catholic Church and of the Eastern Orthodox churches. It is one of the eight most ancient Christian hymns and perhaps the earliest Marian hymn. Its name comes from the incipit of the Latin version of the canticle's text.) This is my addition. It is not found in the book.


"My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall called me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed forever." (Luke 1:46-55)
 
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Upon looking for someplace to post this where the people Jesus actually came for (non-Christians) could also comment, I was a bit surprised to see how many forums they are excluded from.... kind of like the way we operate our churches. So, I selected this one since the name of the room sounds like where Jesus might choose to post. I know it will do little good to ask, but could you Mods leave it here?

(BTW, this is mostly taken from a book no one here will probably ever read. It's an expository on the Law.)

Now to examine the sabbath laws more specifically, it is at once apparent that, while the principle of the sabbath remains basic to biblical law, the specific form of sabbath observance changed radically in terms of the new covenant in Christ.


First, the sabbath in the Old Testament law was not primarily a day of worship but a day of rest. The pattern of weekly worship did not exist in the Old Testament law. The synagogue introduced it in the intertestamental period, and the New Testament clearly practiced it and urged it (Heb. 10:25). In the Old Testament, worship was family-centered, and woven into the fabric of daily life. It should still be so embedded in the common life of man, but there is now also the duty of corporate worship. This corporate worship cannot, however, be confused or equated with rest, although the two are closely associated. Rest has reference here to the soteriological reality, to the fact of redemption, liberation, and wholeness of life. Rest here means confidence in God’s work, so that we cease from our own labors in symbolic representation of our total confidence in God’s accomplishment. The manna in the wilderness set forth God’s rest, and the order to observe the sabbath with confidence in the sufficiency of manna reinforced this fact of God’s provision. When such a God works, man can and must rest (Ex. 16:14-36).


Second, severe laws enforced the sabbath rest. It was not worship which the laws demanded, but rest. The general law was that no work should be done on the sabbath (Ex. 20:8-11; 34:21; Lev. 23:3; Deut. 5:12-15; Jer. 17:22). “The gates should be shut” (Neh. 13:19). “Abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day” (Ex. 16:29). Asses should not be laden (Neh. 13:15), nor burdens borne (Jer. 17:21-22), nor fires kindled (Ex. 35:3), nor sheaves brought in (Neh. 13:15), nor sticks gathered (Num. 15:32-35), nor victuals or wares bought (Neh. 10:31) or sold (Neh. 13:15), nor wine treaded in the presses (Neh. 13:15). Life, however, could be saved on the sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9), since redemption is the essence of the sabbath. This can mean healing the sick (Matt. 12:10-13; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:8-10; 13:14-16; 14:3-4; John 7:23), or rescuing an animal that has fallen into a pit (Matt. 12:11; Luke 14:5). Since hunger alleviated is a part of redemption, it is proper for one who is hungry to “pluck and eat corn” on the sabbath (Matt. 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5), and the same is true of thirst, so that a thirsty animal can be taken to water in fulfilment of the sabbath (Luke 13:15). Since redemption means defeating God’s enemies, the Maccabees finally came to the logical conclusion that it was in conformity with the sabbath to resist attacks by the enemy (1 Macc. 2:41 ). 215 These laws make it clear that the essence of the sabbath is the victory of redemption rest. Mary’s Magnificat, because it celebrates the redemption through the Messiah, is a sabbath song in essence, and it properly forms a part of sabbath worship:


(The Magnificat is a canticle, also known as the Song of Mary, the Canticle of Mary and, in the Byzantine tradition, the Ode of the Theotokos. It is traditionally incorporated into the liturgical services of the Catholic Church and of the Eastern Orthodox churches. It is one of the eight most ancient Christian hymns and perhaps the earliest Marian hymn. Its name comes from the incipit of the Latin version of the canticle's text.)


"My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall called me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed forever." (Luke 1:46-55)
Nice summary. I am not surprised that non-Christians are restricted. I visit a few Patheos blogs. It's like a warzone. Atheist trolls are a pain. Genuine, non-Christian seekers are rare. By the way, the church is the Body of Christ, and that means genuine believers. By all means have meetings for unbelievers to attend, but the church should be the Church. I like the Brethren way of doing things. An initial meeting where the gospel is preached and a second meeting for those who are born again.
 
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Now to examine the sabbath laws more specifically, it is at once apparent that, while the principle of the sabbath remains basic to biblical law, the specific form of sabbath observance changed radically in terms of the new covenant in Christ.
I would dispute that.
 
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Nice summary. I am not surprised that non-Christians are restricted. I visit a few Patheos blogs. It's like a warzone. Atheist trolls are a pain. Genuine, non-Christian seekers are rare. By the way, the church is the Body of Christ, and that means genuine believers. By all means have meetings for unbelievers to attend, but the church should be the Church. I like the Brethren way of doing things. An initial meeting where the gospel is preached and a second meeting for those who are born again.
Well, let's just say you and I attend different thinking churches. Our purpose in existing IS to let Jesus live through our lives.
 
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16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.
Col 2

We are in Christs rest, and we are to choose how we express this rest 7 days a week,
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Deut 13:1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall follow the Lord your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.

If Jesus changed the Sabbath observance in any way, He fits this definition of a false prophet.
 
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Well, let's just say you and I attend different thinking churches. Our purpose in existing IS to let Jesus live through our lives.
Sure. I'm not Brethren btw. And I could not agree more with your statement about our purpose. I ask Lord Jesus most days to live out His life in me, through me and in place of what I am outside of Him.
 
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Deut 13:1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall follow the Lord your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.

If Jesus changed the Sabbath observance in any way, He fits this definition of a false prophet.

The whole of the christian church did this from the beginning.
The temple is now in the believers hearts.
The Kingdom is now the church and its administration civil and not national.
The law is now the law of Christ and not the law of Moses.
Justification is through the cross and not through sacrifices in the temple.
Paul specifically declared love of ones neighbour is now the fulfilment of the law
which brings Gods people into a holy, pure, blameless walk with Him.
 
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Deut 13:1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall follow the Lord your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.

If Jesus changed the Sabbath observance in any way, He fits this definition of a false prophet.
Lord Jesus did not change the sabbath. Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law completely and faultlessly. He introduced the New Covenant that supersedes the old. The New Testament is clear (at least to me) that born again Christians are no longer subject to the Levitical or Mosaic Law. I don't believe that I am alone in my understanding.
 
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The synagogue introduced it in the intertestamental period, and the New Testament clearly practiced it and urged it (Heb. 10:25).

"The Day approaching", I've never took to be about the weekly Sabbath, but the Day of the Lord - end times.
 
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"The Day approaching", I've never took to be about the weekly Sabbath, but the Day of the Lord - end times.
We are each free to interpret for ourselves. I think that is one of the things Protestantism is all about. (I also read that verse more like you do.)
 
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The law is now the law of Christ and not the law of Moses. Paul specifically declared love of ones neighbour is now the fulfilment of the law
which brings Gods people into a holy, pure, blameless walk with Him.

That IS the law...it comes from the Torah in Deuteronomy and Leviticus
 
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The law is now the law of Christ and not the law of Moses.

The law that Jesus wrote with his own finger is kept in the Ark of The testament under the mercy seat , the law that Moses wrote was on the side of the Ark of the Testament.

Do you see the importance of this?
 
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We are each free to interpret for ourselves. I think that is one of the things Protestantism is all about. (I also read that verse more like you do.)

There is only one truth (interpretation) in the Word of GOD.
However satan has many different interpretations for mankind of the Word of GOD
 
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Lord Jesus did not change the sabbath. Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law completely and faultlessly. He introduced the New Covenant that supersedes the old. The New Testament is clear (at least to me) that born again Christians are no longer subject to the Levitical or Mosaic Law. I don't believe that I am alone in my understanding.
No, you are far from "alone." But that does not make it right.
 
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There is only one truth (interpretation) in the Word of GOD.
However satan has many different interpretations for mankind of the Word of GOD
And it is entirely possible that any one of us has the wrong interpretation.… despite the fact that each of us SWEARS theirs is the genuine, Holy interpretation given by God to them, thereby making any other view (interpretation) absolutely wrong.... and probably from Satan.
 
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We are each free to interpret for ourselves. I think that is one of the things Protestantism is all about. (I also read that verse more like you do.)
No we are NOT free to do that.

Paul said to not stray from the traditions (interpretations on how to obey) he taught. Those would have come from his training as a Pharisee.
 
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The law that Jesus wrote with his own finger is kept in the Ark of The testament under the mercy seat , the law that Moses wrote was on the side of the Ark of the Testament.

Do you see the importance of this?

We do not know what Jesus wrote, so saying it is in the Ark is just a projection.
Moses was given the 10 commandments and placed in the ark. So whatever you
are saying the Ark holds all of Moses influence. Jesus if referring to this, is referring
to things affected by Moses. I therefore do not understand the difference applied in
your thinking.
 
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