Does All Radically Mean All?

FineLinen · Aug 12, 2019

JIMINZ said:
Can you tell ALL of us, has everyone born in the last 2,000 yrs. been made alive in Christ, or is it only those who have received Christ as Savior?

But to answer you question.
Adam being the Father of All physical human beings we are in the same fallen state which He became and caused us to be in.

In other words, All of the Jews ever born were in Abraham, does that mean he personally, propagated each and ever one, and what about those who are of Faith, we are said to have been in him as well, how is he responsible for my coming to Faith?

On the other hand I and ALL Christians who have been Baptized are IN Christ.

There is a big difference between our being in Adam, and our being IN Christ.

Dear Jiminz: All sinners born in the last 2000 years are sinners in Adam1 "by no choice of their own", by genetics and the One who has made it so.

But, and it is a biggie but indeed, the final chapter of sinners is willing worship IN/EN the Name of Jesus Christ!

Every last sinner In/EN the Master

FineLinen · Aug 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I think you guys are making more out of the word "in" than you should, and not enough out of the word "all" that you should.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Dear St. Steven: the same radical all the Father intends by His sovereign will to reconcile, is the radical all that will proclaim Him Lord IN/EN worship.

All In Him!

FineLinen · Aug 15, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I think you guys are making more out of the word "in" than you should, and not enough out of the word "all" that you should.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Dear Steve: Have it your way. F.L. has now seen the light thru my old broken eyes.

All does not radically mean all?

As in Adam [some] die, so in Christ shall [some] be made alive.

But wait>>>there is>>>>more.

James 2:10

For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating [some].

Romans 3:22,23

...the righteousness of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. …For [some] have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour.”

John 17:2

You have made him sovereign over [some] of mankind that He should give aeonios life to [some] You have given Him.

FineLinen · Aug 20, 2019

Saint Steven · Aug 20, 2019

FineLinen said:
Dear Steve: Have it your way. F.L. has now seen the light thru my old broken eyes.

All does not radically mean all?

As in Adam [some] die, so in Christ shall [some] be made alive.

But wait>>>there is>>>>more.

James 2:10

For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating [some].

Romans 3:22,23

...the righteousness of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. …For [some] have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour.”

John 17:2

You have made him sovereign over [some] of mankind that He should give aeonios life to [some] You have given Him.

Hopefully you understood that I was being supportive.

Saint Steven said: ↑
I think you guys are making more out of the word "in" than you should, and not enough out of the word "all" that you should.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

FineLinen · Aug 20, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Hopefully you understood that I was being supportive.

Saint Steven said: ↑
I think you guys are making more out of the word "in" than you should, and not enough out of the word "all" that you should.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Dear Steve: I am convinced you have zero waver in you! You know precisely that the all in Adam is the all in Christ Jesus the Last Adam, the Lord of Glory. You are a delightful testimony of Him!

FineLinen · Aug 21, 2019

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."

Please Note

"Things" is [in the brackets] in short: the all of the radical pas & the super radical ta panta stands without things of any sort!

He reconciles the all: The radical all of pas, the all of ta panta.

FineLinen · Aug 22, 2019

God makes promises to ALL!

Colossians 1: 19-20 “For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

I John 2:2 ““He… is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.”

James 2: 13 “Mercy triumphs over judgment.”

(Does this not apply to God?)

Titus 2: 11 “The grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.”

2 Cor. 5: 19 “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.” (Some of the world or ALL?)

Rom. 11:32 “God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.”

Rom. 3: 3-4 “Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect?

Certainly not!”

John 12: 47 “I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.”

Luke 3: 6 “All flesh shall see the salvation of God.”

Mark 9:49 “For everyone will be salted by fire.”

This is but a sampling of God's promise to ultimately deliver the radical ALL>>>>

AFTER we are salted with fire

(corrective punishment).

What part of ALL confuses you my friend?

Saint Steven · Aug 22, 2019

FineLinen said:
Colossians 1: 19-20 “For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

I find it interesting that this is written in the past tense. It's a done deal.

Saint Steven · Aug 22, 2019

This might only make sense to Americans.

Somehow I knew we had really lost touch with reality when life became a breakfast cereal. I mean, Cinnamon life? Really?

That's right up there with Neal Young's Cinnamon Girl. - "... And I could be happy for the rest of my life, with a Cinnamon Girl. ..." Really? How did that work out, Neal?

FineLinen · Sep 3, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I find it interesting that this is written in the past tense. It's a done deal.

Dear Steve: The Father's Plan conceived enirely within Himself unfolds in dispensations, or stages of glory. It is a done deal as every last creature of the heavens & earth and underworld shall know without any shadow of doubt!

Saint Steven · Jul 29, 2020

FineLinen said:
“There is but one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of [some], who rules over [some], acts through [some], and dwells in [some]. Yet to each of us individually grace was given, measured out with the munificence of Christ. For this reason Scripture says: ‘He re-ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives, and gave gifts to men.’ (Now this ‘re-ascended’ --what does it mean but that He had first descended into the lower regions of the earth? He who descended is the same as He who ascended again far above [some of] the Heavens in order to fill the universe.”

Come unto Me [some] of you that are weary.... and I will give you rest.

Someone will ask, "But doesn't God command sinners to CHOOSE this day whom they will serve and to SEEK the Lord while He may be found?" ABSOLUTELY NOT! Oh, yes, the Scripture does say, "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the god of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" (Jos. 24:15). But those words were never spoken to the unsaved man, without God and without hope in the world; these were the words of God's prophet to Israel, GOD'S PEOPLE, as they possessed the promised land! God has nowhere, in all the pages of His blessed Book, commanded unconverted sinners to "choose" between Him and anything else. DEAD MEN DON'T MAKE CHOICES.

And yes, the Scripture does say, "SEEK ye THE LORD WHILE HE MAY BE FOUND, call upon Him while He is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon" (Isa. 55:6-7). But again, these words were never addressed to the sinner who never had a relationship with the Lord. They were thundered by the prophet Isaiah to GOD'S BACKSLIDING PEOPLE in a time of spiritual declension and apostasy. It is God's own people who must "seek" the Lord, not the man who is lost and cannot find his way. Thus it is that Jesus said, "For the Son of man is come to SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST" (Lk. 19:10). It is the Lord's people who are called upon to "choose" between Him and the ways of the flesh, the world, and the devil, not the man who is dead, for "the dead know not anything" (Eccl. 9:5), and are totally incapable of choosing anything but sin.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1

Der Alte · Jul 31, 2020

Saint Steven said:
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Saint Steven said:
Someone will ask, "But doesn't God command sinners to CHOOSE this day whom they will serve and to SEEK the Lord while He may be found?" ABSOLUTELY NOT! Oh, yes, the Scripture does say, "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the god of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" (Jos. 24:15). But those words were never spoken to the unsaved man, without God and without hope in the world; these were the words of God's prophet to Israel, GOD'S PEOPLE, as they possessed the promised land! God has nowhere, in all the pages of His blessed Book, commanded unconverted sinners to "choose" between Him and anything else. DEAD MEN DON'T MAKE CHOICES.
And yes, the Scripture does say, "SEEK ye THE LORD WHILE HE MAY BE FOUND, call upon Him while He is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon" (Isa. 55:6-7). But again, these words were never addressed to the sinner who never had a relationship with the Lord. They were thundered by the prophet Isaiah to GOD'S BACKSLIDING PEOPLE in a time of spiritual declension and apostasy. It is God's own people who must "seek" the Lord, not the man who is lost and cannot find his way. Thus it is that Jesus said, "For the Son of man is come to SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST" (Lk. 19:10). It is the Lord's people who are called upon to "choose" between Him and the ways of the flesh, the world, and the devil, not the man who is dead, for "the dead know not anything" (Eccl. 9:5), and are totally incapable of choosing anything but sin.
Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby...

Matthew 11:28
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Der Alte · Jul 31, 2020

JIMINZ said:
Can you tell ALL of us, has everyone born in the last 2,000 yrs. been made alive in Christ, or is it only those who have received Christ as Savior?
But to answer you question.
Adam being the Father of All physical human beings we are in the same fallen state which He became and caused us to be in.
In other words, All of the Jews ever born were in Abraham, does that mean he personally, propagated each and ever one, and what about those who are of Faith, we are said to have been in him as well, how is he responsible for my coming to Faith?
On the other hand I and ALL Christians who have been Baptized are IN Christ.
There is a big difference between our being in Adam, and our being IN Christ.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

NOT “in Christ” NO redemption.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

“Walk after the flesh” NOT “in Christ” there IS condemnation.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

NOT “in Christ” NOT free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

NOT “in Christ” NOT a member of the body.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

NOT “in Christ” NO sanctification, NO redemption.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not “in Christ” old things NOT passed away NOT made new.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

NOT “in Christ” NOT children of God.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

NOT “in Christ” NOT ”made nigh” still far off.

2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

NOT “in Christ” NO promise of life.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.

Does All Radically Mean All?

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