Who thinks Trump's claim to be the chosen one was sacrilegious

Halbhh said:

But Christians can rightfully use 'free speech' to point out the wrongful actions of governing authorities

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Nothing that I wrote vilified orderly protests. Stop characterizing me as having done so.

RDKirk said:

By emphasizing "armed" rebellion, do you mean that Christians can have a rebellious spirit and drag our heels and obstruct the government in every possible way short of an armed rebellion? I notice that Paul did not make the "armed" qualification...you did that.

1 Peter 2:13 goes so far as to say submit to the authority of the government. Being submissive means no rebellious spirit at all, armed or otherwise.

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If Christians are prohibited from "armed rebellion" then I would suppose the Biblical/Godly thing to do would be to get rid of all those guns being kept in the event of government tyranny, huh?

RDKirk said:

It's unAmerican to be compassionate.

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Yes, dollars are not very compassionate to people, are they, even though, I do hear, corporations are people too, in the United States of America.

MournfulWatcher said:

I didn't say they weren't. In fact, I despise the rhetoric of the Democratic party. I also didn't say he is a bad president. I said his tweet is blasphemous.

Is it also appropriate for a Democratic president to tweet such quotes?

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I don’t think it was blasphemous, since it was a Jewish believer who doesn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah.

Jews still think the Measiah is coming, so in context it does not follow Christian beliefs because Judaism is not Christianity

Kalevalatar said:

Yes, dollars are not very compassionate to people, are they, even though, I do hear, corporations are people too, in the United States of America.

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Corporations are people...

Ok. I’m doing mental gymnastics and still not following

RDKirk said:

By emphasizing "armed" rebellion, do you mean that Christians can have a rebellious spirit and drag our heels and obstruct the government in every possible way short of an armed rebellion? I notice that Paul did not make the "armed" qualification...you did that.

1 Peter 2:13 goes so far as to say submit to the authority of the government. Being submissive means no rebellious spirit at all, armed or otherwise.

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That's a great question to make a topic. We need scripture to interpret scripture. Why did Christ tell Peter to put away his sword, and that "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" -- it's a very good and deep topic, in itself, and worth exploring. (As you may remember I already agree with you that people may act to defend others using physical force to defend innocents from attack.) It's probably too deep to include into this thread. But about the other, directly relating to this thread aspect:

Can we do civil disobedience?

That's also a great topic, and deep enough to be worth it's own thread possibly, if there are many that don't think it's fine.

I definitely think we can do civil disobedience -- just like Christ did, and just like the apostles did.

But armed rebelling is clearly breaking the rule to "submit" to governing authorities I'd think most all would admit. But if I'm wrong, and truly many think armed rebellion is ok under Romans 13, that would truly surprise me, and definitely should be discussed.

Kalevalatar said:

Yes, dollars are not very compassionate to people, are they, even though, I do hear, corporations are people too, in the United States of America.

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Corporations have all of the rights of individuals - however they are protected from all of the responsibilities of individuals. Think of them as being better than people in the USA.

Hazelelponi said:

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You have to admit it's hilarious comedy.. My husband and I laugh a lot. Trump is just plain funny..

the left will never get it I fear. Their "intelligence" is getting in the way..

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It is funny for sure.. The sad part is in regards to those that watch CNN or other news sources like them...and take it as face value.. instead of digging 1/8 of an inch into the story to get the reality.

But, ya... Trump sets them up.... stirs the pot and sits back for a chuckle.

Sabertooth said:

Nothing that I wrote vilified orderly protests. Stop characterizing me as having done so.

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Ah, but I did not characterize you anywhere I'm aware of; what seems that way to you and where?

I did definitely explain several things about Romans 13:1.

While on this topic, why did you bring up Romans 13 in this thread in post#4?

Hank77 said:

Narcissism and leadership have been widely studied, and there is some evidence that narcissists succeed in attaining leadership positions.

It's not saying that all people in leadership positions are narcissists.

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You are correct.... however, it's kinda ludicrous to stamp the "narcissist" label on Trump... given the track record of US Presidents.... quite laughable actually.

That's like singling out a girl at a crowed beach for wearing a skimpy swim suit.....

JacksBratt said:

So................he made no such claim.. Thank you.

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If you say so.

Neostarwcc said:

If you say so.

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He didn’t.

You can’t admit if you error

Neostarwcc said:

If you say so.

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Actually... it's ironic that you should make that statement... something isn't true just because "you say so".

So... admit it..

ToBeLoved said:

So you think I’m going to read 10 articles about his business?
We are talking about his Presidency.
I’m not chasing your squirrel

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Then don't ask for proof that you don't want to see! Simple as that...it also has articles about his false claims as president for things he claims credit for...among other things.

ToBeLoved said:

I don’t think it was blasphemous, since it was a Jewish believer who doesn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah.

Jews still think the Measiah is coming, so in context it does not follow Christian beliefs because Judaism is not Christianity

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No. Trump claims to be a Christian. He tweeted a quote supportively that would be blasphemous for any christian to refer to themselves as. Trump is the one who is blaspheming.

MournfulWatcher said:

No. Trump claims to be a Christian. He tweeted a quote supportively that would be blasphemous for any christian to refer to themselves as. Trump is the one who is blaspheming.

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Many people... equals many definitions of "christian"......Just stick around this forum for a while... you'll see.

I did you guys see post #143. Just because I said after "but he did say after that the Jews in Israel love him like hes their King"

I mean it's obvious to me what hes claiming by that statement. Who else is the king of the Jews but the messiah? And dont both Christian's AND Jews believe that the messiah and the King of Israel will be God himself?

But you have to look at what I said before "hmm you might be right.". I mean I'm open to being wrong. Idk just forget it. I really dont feel like debating or arguing today.

Yarddog said:

'I am the Chosen One': with boasts and insults, Trump sets new benchmark for incoherence | Donald Trump | The Guardian

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An offensive person does offensive things.

ToBeLoved said:

Congress was never meant to be the same as Executive.

Who in Congress individually was voted in by the entire country?

We don’t vote in each Congressional race.

It’s not even a close comparison

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For God to put someone in a position of authority in the government, the whole nation must be voting for that person? Where did you get that idea from?
Well that is interesting seeing Trump didn't win the popular vote. If it weren't for the Electoral College he wouldn't be President.
So where does the authority sit in the US government when Congress has the authority to impeach a sitting president? Trump doesn't have the authority to impeach/fire the Congress.

ToBeLoved said:

So what are your qualifications in evaluating his mental health?

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You mean like having lived long enough to see not one but two presidents with distinguished political careers far more impressive than Trump's to deteriorate mentally the same way the 45th President of the United States of America, Donald John Trump, is degenerating before our very eyes? As well as the opinions of highly respected career diplomats and elected representatives from across the political spectrum of my country and including the President of the Republic -- many of whom have met Trump unlike myself and many of whom have witnessed the advance of dementia in a former President of the Republic and the highly partisan politics cruelty of forced service -- who uniformly deem the current President of the United States of no longer of being in his full mental capacity? People with no reason to lie about it.

Have you met Trump? Do you have reasons to lie for him, like partisan reasons? What exactly are your supposed qualifications for judging that the current behaviour of the 45th President of the United States of America, Donald John Trump, is "normal" for a man of his age, let alone for the President of the United States, other than that you are clearly, an educated guess, someone who tends to vote for GOP?

What's wrong with the presidency of Mike Pence? Why won't you let Trump retire in peace when there's still something left of his old self? If you don't care about Trump himself, what about his wife(s), present and former, the mothers of his chldren, his children and grandchildren? Do you not realize how hard it is, not just for his subjects and supporters and business partners, but for his family to watch their beloved grandpa go off and go all crazy on primetime live TV broadcasted globally when he's supposed to give an internationally and diplomatically meaningful speech?