DONALD TRVMP REX IVDÆORVM: Donald Trump, King of the Jews

LoAmmi said:

In any sacrifice, not just sin, the animal was unblemished because it was the best of the ones available. People were to sacrifice the choice of the animals not the weak and sick.

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Yes that is very true. That animal represented Jesus Christ. The just for the unjust.

The sacrificial law pointed to the coming Christ. It was symbolized by perfection for the forgiveness of sin.

Charlie24 said:

Yes that is very true. That animal represented Jesus Christ. The just for the unjust.

The sacrificial law pointed to the coming Christ. It was symbolized by perfection for the forgiveness of sin.

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You've jumped several steps here. You would have to establish, within the text of the Tanakh, what you are saying. A possible hole in your theory is that animal sacrifice was not the only way to obtain forgiveness.

LoAmmi said:

You've jumped several steps here. You would have to establish, within the text of the Tanakh, what you are saying. A possible hole in your theory is that animal sacrifice was not the only way to obtain forgiveness.

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There is no hole in what God demanded for sin in the Law of Moses. There was only one way.

Charlie24 said:

There is no hole in what God demanded for sin in the Law of Moses. There was only one way.

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That is not true. It was not the only way in the text.

LoAmmi said:

That is not true. It was not the only way in the text.

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What was the other way? Show me from the OT scripture.

Charlie24 said:

What was the other way? Show me from the OT scripture.

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Check out Ezekiel 18:21-23 to start. 2 Chronicles 7:12 shows that forgiveness is possible through repentance with no mention of sacrifices. Likewise when Nathan confronts David in 2 Samuel 12, David is forgiven though repentance.

LoAmmi said:

Check out Ezekiel 18:21-23 to start. 2 Chronicles 7:12 shows that forgiveness is possible through repentance with no mention of sacrifices. Likewise when Nathan confronts David in 2 Samuel 12, David is forgiven though repentance.

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The sacrifice of the animal made repentance possible. Without the sacrifice repentance was useless.

In other words, if Christ had not paid the sin debt, we couldn't repent. There would be no hope for us.

Charlie24 said:

The sacrifice of the animal made repentance possible. Without the sacrifice repentance was useless.

In other words, if Christ had not paid the sin debt, we couldn't repent. There would be no hope for us.

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David did not sacrifice an animal when Nathan said he was forgiven.

That's because the law of Moses required the sin sacrifice once a year. God wasn't waiting a year for the sin David committed, that's why He sent Nathan.

Charlie24 said:

That's because the law of Moses required the sin sacrifice once a year. God wasn't waiting a year for the sin David committed, that's why He sent Nathan.

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Where does it say the sin sacrifice was once a year?

Also, there is nothing about human sacrifice for sins. Or gods for that matter.

LoAmmi said:

Where does it say the sin sacrifice was once a year?

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Leviticus 16:34 Took me a while to find it.

Charlie24 said:

Leviticus 16:34 Took me a while to find it.

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That's a specific holiday. Yom Kippur. View Leviticus 4 with regard to sin sacrifices. It is not just once a year.

LoAmmi said:

That's a specific holiday. Yom Kippur. View Leviticus 4 with regard to sin sacrifices. It is not just once a year.

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The sin sacrifice was required once a year as stated in Lev. 16:34. There were other sin offerings throughout the year for various reasons.

But this is beside the point we were discussing. Do you have any good reason to present why Jesus is not the Messiah.

Charlie24 said:

The sin sacrifice was required once a year as stated in Lev. 16:34. There were other sin offerings throughout the year for various reasons.

But this is beside the point we were discussing. Do you have any good reason to present why Jesus is not the Messiah.

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Sure. The prophecies marking the messiah were not fulfilled.

There is no world peace. All Jews have not been gathered to Israel nor have the lost tribes been restored. The Temple has not been rebuilt. There is no universal knowledge of Him.

Those are clear prophecies in the text of the Tanakh. If they aren't done, the Messiah has not come.

But you are wrong about the sacrifices. You should get a deeper education if you want to debate someone who knows.

LoAmmi said:

Sure. The prophecies marking the messiah were not fulfilled.

There is no world peace. All Jews have not been gathered to Israel nor have the lost tribes been restored. The Temple has not been rebuilt. There is no universal knowledge of Him.

Those are clear prophecies in the text of the Tanakh. If they aren't done, the Messiah has not come.

But you are wrong about the sacrifices. You should get a deeper education if you want to debate someone who knows.

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The answer to everything you just mentioned is found in the New Testament of scripture.

You will never find the answers if you don't read it.

For a Judaism believer I'm surprised at your failure in knowledge of the OT scripture.

Lev. 16:34 is referring to the day of atonement for Israel. The verse says "This shall be an everlasting Statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year." KJV

Yom Kippur that you refer to means "the day of atonement."

Charlie24 said:

The answer to everything you just mentioned is found in the New Testament of scripture.

You will never find the answers if you don't read it.

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I've read it. Multiple times. I find it not to be credible.

For a Judaism believer I'm surprised at your failure in knowledge of the OT scripture.

Lev. 16:34 is referring to the day of atonement for Israel. The verse says "This shall be an everlasting Statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year." KJV

Yom Kippur that you refer to means "the day of atonement."

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You are now insulting my knowledge when it is you who have shown to be lacking. Leviticus 4 lays out the sin sacrifices and shows that whenever you commit sin, you have to have the priest do the sin sacrifice for you. Yom Kippur is a separate day from sin sacrifices where the community atones for the sins of the community. It's not individual.

Charlie24 said:

I just looked up the tweets at Real Donald Trump.

Trump said none of these things, he was thanking Root (who said all the remarks) for his nice words.

Root was bragging on Trump and Trump thanked him.

Why all the hate?

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I think Trump even made the insinuation that the comments were silly. Which is interesting.

Now to be fair; I do agree that it's rather ominous if all these Jews think he's their king!

Charlie24 said:

If the liberals have their way, America will desert Israel, leaving Zechariah's words an open path for the nations of the world.

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Which oddly seems to be what you are advocating for, so your interpretation of prophecy can come to pass.

Speaking of sacrificial lambs:

Aint politics a fascinating animal?