Does Matthew 24 Recapitulate?

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Like I stated, the first part is about the 70 AD Event, then verses 7-14 is about the Church Age. The Rapture happens next, then the 70th Week can begin which has the Greatest troubles ever, which we only see starting at verse 15, but the 70th week lasts until verse 31.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-16, the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

The only way to see the 70th week of Daniel is with a time machine set to return you to the first century.



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Yea, I understood how you looked at it and saw no need in breaking it down.

Like I stated, the first part is about the 70 AD Event, then verses 7-14 is about the Church Age. The Rapture happens next, then the 70th Week can begin which has the Greatest troubles ever, which we only see starting at verse 15, but the 70th week lasts until verse 31.

Matt. 36:51 is speaking about the coming Rapture that happens at least 7 years before the 70th week.
There is no gap in the 70th week. And Jesus is not the Antichrist Dispensationalism makes him out to be in the middle of the 70th week. Blasphemey?
 
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There is no gap in the 70th week. And Jesus is not the Antichrist Dispensationalism makes him out to be in the middle of the 70th week. Blasphemey?

Correct, the 70th week is a consecutive 7 years. Of course you misspoke, meaning to say there is no gap between the 69th week and the and the 70th week., which of course there is, but you keep up the average, since everything I have ever seen you post is off kilter.

Jesus is Jesus, the Little Horn of Daniel 9:27 is the Little Horn. You really do not understand prophecy at all.
 
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Notice I said: The "First division from the time spoken until end of world 1-15"
"and then shall the end come."
First division:
Matthew 24:5 begins following Jesus leaving this world, to...
Matthew 24:15 the day that the AoD is placed in the temple in the end times.
Then: The "Second division; From 70AD until time of the end. Worldwide tribulation the norm." Matthew 24:15–22

Second division:
Matthew 24:15 begins the great tribulation
Matthew 24:30b ends the great tribulation, the day that Jesus returns.

Third division:
Matthew 24:31 the millennium begins, and Jesus has the angels bring all of the house of Israel back to the land of Israel.*

*corresponding to Ezekiel 39:28.
 
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First division:
Matthew 24:5 begins following Jesus leaving this world, to...
Matthew 24:15 the day that the AoD is placed in the temple in the end times.


Second division:
Matthew 24:15 begins the great tribulation
Matthew 24:30b ends the great tribulation, the day that Jesus returns.

Third division:
Matthew 24:31 the millennium begins, and Jesus has the angels bring all of the house of Israel back to the land of Israel.
You have only one tribulation, there are two, one Jewish and one Christian if you read carefully.
 
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You have only one tribulation, there are two, one Jewish and one Christian if you read carefully.
Dave, I am reading carefully. Nothing about Jewish, nothing about Christian.

I have only the great tribulation. The tribulation of those days is after all of the trumpet judgements and 5 of the bowl judgements of the great tribulation.

The great tribulation of "those days" applies to everyone on earth, if not limited no flesh will survive.

"Immediately after the "tribulation of those days" is at the end the great tribulation, nearly over, with only the last 2 bowls of God's wrath remaining.

The last 2 bowels of God's wrath are between....the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

the last two bowls of God's wrath

and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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Dave, I am reading carefully. Nothing about Jewish, nothing about Christian.

I have only the great tribulation. The tribulation of those days is after all of the trumpet judgements and 5 of the bowl judgement of the great tribulation.

The great tribulation of "those days" applies to everyone on earth, if not limited no flesh will survive.

The "tribulation of those days" is the great tribulation, but does not include the last 2 bowls of God's wrath.

The last 2 bowels of God's wrath are between....the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

the last two bowls of God's wrath

and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus told the disciples "when you see" = 2nd person plural = those present, to leave Jerusalem when they saw certain things Dispensationalists are blinded to. This they did and it was the worst tribulation ever that fell on the Jews.
 
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Jesus told the disciples "when you see" = 2nd person plural = those present, to leave Jerusalem when they saw certain things Dispensationalists are blinded to. This they did and it was the worst tribulation ever that fell on the Jews.
You didn't read far enough, Dave.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Are you reading what Daniel the prophet said? The you applies to whoso readeth what has been written in Daniel 12 regarding the abomination of desolation and the time of the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Jesus is speaking to our generation, Dave.
 
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You didn't read far enough, Dave.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Are you reading what Daniel the prophet said? The you applies to whoso readeth what has been written in Daniel 12 regarding the abomination of desolation and the time of the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Jesus is speaking to our generation, Dave.
As I said, Dispies are blinded to this passage and cannot grasp it.
 
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Hello Doug....no, Jesus is speaking to the 1st Century pre 70AD OC Judeans and was future for them.
They bore the wrath of God in 70ad as prophecied.

Matthew 24 directly follows Matthew 23, which is the Discourse against the corrupt Judean Rulers:

YLT) Matthew 23

1Then Jesus spake to the multitudes, and to his disciples,
2saying, ‘On the seat of Moses sat down the scribes and the Pharisees; 3all, then, as much as they may say to you to observe, observe and do, but according to their works do not, for they say, and do not; 4for they bind together burdens heavy and grievous to be borne, and lay upon the shoulders of men, but with their finger they will not move them.
31So that ye testify to yourselves, that ye are sons of them who did murder the prophets; 32and ye — ye fill up the measure of your fathers. 33‘Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?
34‘Because of this, lo, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and of them ye will kill and crucify,
and of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will pursue from city to city;
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The Sanhedrins and Synagogues were those of the pre 70ad Judeans.

Are the Jews of today doing this? Of course not...............

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread


Matthew 24:9
Then they shall be delivering ye up in to tribulation and shall be killing ye
and ye shall be being hated by all of the nations because of the Name of Me
Mark 13:9
Yet be ye looking out yeselves!
For they shall be delivering ye up into Sanhedrins and into Synagogues, and ye shall be being lashed<1194>
and upon Governors and Kings to be standing on account of Me, into a witness/testimony to them.
Luke 21:12
Yet before all of these, they shall be laying the hands upon ye and shall be persecuting/pursuing ye,
delivering ye up into the Synagogues and Jails
,
being led upon Kings and Governors on account of the Name of Me

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:15
"Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation, the being declared thru Daniel the Prophet having-stood in a place, holy (the one-reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) let him be minding/understanding/noeitw <3539> (5720)" [Mark 13:14]
Mark 13:14
Whenever yet ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation having stood the-where not it is binding, (the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) let him be understanding!/noeitw <3539> (5720), then the ones in the Judea let be fleeing! into the mountains

Revelation 1:3
Happy the one reading
/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written
for the time nigh.
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Matthew 24:16
then those in the Judea let them be fleeing! into the mountains
Mark 13:14
Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination of the desolation<2050>, the one being declared by Daniel the prophet, standing where it is not binding, (whoever is reading let him be understanding!)
Then those in the Judea, let them be fleeing into the mountains
Luke 21:21
then those in the Judea, let them be fleeing into the mountains;
and those in midst of Her, let them be coming out to country;
and those in the countries placed, let them not come be entering into Her
22 That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written 23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath upon this people.

Who is the them of this verse?

2 Corin 6:17 wherefore come-forth<exelqete 1831> out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18:4 And I hear another Voice out of the heaven saying "come forth!<exelqete 1831> out of Her My people......................
 
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The AoD was Antiochus Epiphanies. He is a proto type.
The proto type AoD was the statue image (of Zeus) that Antiochus had placed in the temple.

If Antiochus sat in the temple, claiming to be God or a god, that would
be a proto type of the ToD, Transgression of Desolation, the act of 2Thessalonians2:4. I don't recall reading if Antiochus did or not?
 
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In Matthew 24:15, that particular verse, the you is cross-referenced to whosoever reads what Daniel the prophet wrote.

And what Daniel the prophet wrote was time of the end, when "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

That's not 70 AD.

If you keep ignoring the fact that Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are parallel passages, maybe you can make your viewpoint work.

Also, try to ignore the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22 while you are at it.

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In Matthew 24:15, that particular verse, the you is cross-referenced to whosoever reads what Daniel the prophet wrote.
And what Daniel the prophet wrote was time of the end, when "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."
That's not 70 AD.
It was tough teaching the Knowledge of God while the corrupt OC Temple and Jerusalem rulers were attacking and persecuting the Saints who were preaching the Knowledge of Jesus.
These "Lawyers" suffered the same fate as the Priests, Scribes, Pharisees and sadly, along with 1000s of common Jews in the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple......[Luke 23:27-30 Revelation 6:16-17] Since then the Knowledge has extended around the world..............

Luke 11:52
`Woe to ye, the Lawyers, that ye take away the Key of the Knowledge
yourselves not ye-enter; and of the ones entering, ye hinder/forbid' [Hosea 4:6]

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them,
Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath<ὀργῆς<3709>?
Luke 3:7
Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him,
Brood of vipers! Who warned ye to flee from the being about wrath<ὀργῆς<3709>?

Matthew 23:33
Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of the gehenna?

Luke 21:23
But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath<ὀργὴ <3709> upon this people.'

Luke 23:
27Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were. And grieved and wailed over Him.
28 Being turned yet toward them, Jesus said "Daughters of Jerusalem no be lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.
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Revelation 6:

16 - and they said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 - “For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror. At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes. Indeed, humanity at once shudders and sickens at the narration, nor can any one of the least sensibility reflect upon the pitiable condition to which the female part of the inhabitants of Jerusalem must at this time have been reduced, without experiencing the tenderest emotions of sympathy, or refrain from tears while he reads our SAVIOUR'S pathetic address to the women who " bewailed him" as he was led to Calvary, wherein he evidently refers to these very calamities : "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but for yourselves and fur your children ; for, behold, the days are coming in which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts that never gave suck." Luke xxiii. 29.
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The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18:8
Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.


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TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A
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It was tough teaching the Knowledge of God while the corrupt OC Temple and Jerusalem rulers were attacking and persecuting the Saints who were preaching the Knowledge of Jesus.
And the running to and fro?

I am thinking cars, daily commutes. And knowledge, technology explosion in the computer age.
 
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If you keep ignoring the fact that Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are parallel passages maybe you can make your viewpoint work.

Also, try to ignore the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22 while you are at it.

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Not parallel passages. Luke 21:20-21 followed by....

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Differently, Matthew 24:15-16 is not followed that way, but by....

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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Luke 21:20-21 - 70 AD led captive into the nations

Matthew 24:15-31 end times gathered back to the land of Israel.
 
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And the running to and fro?

I am thinking cars, daily commutes. And knowledge, technology explosion in the computer age.
The 1st century Judean rulers were doing that

Matthew 23:
15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are going about the Sea and the Dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of Gehenna twofold-more of ye-selves
33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the Gehenna<1067>

Luk 23:30
“Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” '

Fulfilled in 70ad

Rev 6:16
and they said to the mountains and rocks
, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!"
 
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The 1st century Judean rulers were doing that

Matthew 23:
15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are going about the Sea and the Dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of Gehenna twofold-more of ye-selves
33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the Gehenna<1067>

Luk 23:30
“Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” '

Fulfilled in 70ad

Rev 6:16
and they said to the mountains and rocks
, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!"
I am not thinking that is what running to and fro means. I think it means an increase in the activity and speed of transportation, as compared to past times.

Mostly foot travel back in 70 AD. Same as it had been for thousands of years.
 
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