Who is responsible for our sanctification?

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' 14“For it is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves and entrusted his possessions to them. 15“To one he gave five talents, to another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and he went on his journey. 16“Immediately the one who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and gained five more talents. 17“In the same manner the one who had received the two talents gained two more. 18“But he who received the one talent went away, and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19“Now after a long time the master of those slaves came and settled accounts with them. 20“The one who had received the five talents came up and brought five more talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me. See, I have gained five more talents.’ 21“His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’

22“Also the one who had received the two talents came up and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more talents.’ 23“His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’

24“And the one also who had received the one talent came up and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you scattered no seed.25‘And I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’

26“But his master answered and said to him, ‘You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed.27‘Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. 28‘Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.’

29“For to everyone who has, moreshall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30“Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." '

Be careful not to bury it and do nothing. You need to bear fruit or face pruning.
Who is responsible for the fruit? If I’m not mistaken, it’s the vine, not the branch.
 
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I would say both God and the individual believer are responsible for sanctification. As you pointed out from Philippians 2:12-13, we are to work at it, which means we are responsible. Nonetheless, it is God who enables, thus God working through the Holy Spirit is the one who brings our sanctification to fruition. More than one agent can be responsible for the same act. Consider Peter's sermon in Acts 2:22-23, where he says that God, the "Israelites," and "those outside the law" we are all agents (i.e. responsible) who contributed to the crucifixion of our Lord. So, I would say both God and the individual believer are responsible for sanctification.
 
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I asked you repeatedly to address Romans 8:29. You posted Galatians 1:5, as if that was an answer. I thought referring to a who book, and the whole of chapter 8 was sufficient, based on your method of discussion. Are you wanting more?
Why would I want more when you haven't even dealt with what I provided you. Why don't you read the next verse, v.30 which states that those who are predestined are called? Predestined = called. Yet, those in Gal 1:6 who were called/predestined failed to persevere and turned to another gospel according to Paul which directly contradicts your claim that those who are called/predestined will always persevere and never lose their faith. That should be easy enough to understand.
 
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The wrong way is saying 'who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit, as if this is a personal daily choice they make. One day they walk according to the Spirit, and another according to the flesh, that's just real bad theology.
That's real bad theology. You always have a DAILY choice to walk in the flesh or the Spirit. Are you claiming to be sinless? Do you have some days when you sin? Sowing to the flesh or the Spirit is an individual choice.
 
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Why would I want more when you haven't even dealt with what I provided you. Why don't you read the next verse, v.30 which states that those who are predestined are called? Predestined = called. Yet, those in Gal 1:6 who were called/predestined failed to persevere and turned to another gospel according to Paul which directly contradicts your claim that those who are called/predestined will always persevere and never lose their faith. That should be easy enough to understand.
Well, I’ve tried to get you to look at context, but you are hung up on a couple of verses, and then you try to put scripture against scripture.
 
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Well, I’ve tried to get you to look at context, but you are hung up on a couple of verses, and then you try to put scripture against scripture.
All scripture must be reconciled to your doctrine but instead you avoid explaining how those who were CALLED in Gal 1:6, like those in Rom 8:30 who are called, managed to turn away and follow another gospel. I prefer to believe Paul but you are free to believe otherwise.
 
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All scripture must be reconciled to your doctrine but instead you avoid explaining how those who were CALLED in Gal 1:6, like those in Rom 8:30 who are called, managed to turn away and follow another gospel. I prefer to believe Paul but you are free to believe otherwise.
I have explained it. Multiple times.

And you don’t believe Paul because he’s the one who said that those who God called, those who He predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, He also justified. You do not believe that.
 
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I have explained it. Multiple times.

And you don’t believe Paul because he’s the one who said that those who God called, those who He predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, He also justified. You do not believe that.
I reject your explanation. Of course he said that. Problem is he also said that that those Galatians who were called/predestined were turning away to follow another gospel. Plain English that you fail to grasp. Real life has consequences unlike your theory.
 
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I reject your explanation. Of course he said that. Problem is he also said that that those Galatians who were called/predestined were turning away to follow another gospel. Plain English that you fail to grasp. Real life has consequences unlike your theory.
He also never said that they lost their salvation, and continued to call them brothers. But you ignore that.
 
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He also never said that they lost their salvation, and continued to call them brothers. But you ignore that.
Brothers - who lost their salvation. If you don't believe the plain meaning of Gal 1:6 then you also have to not heed the warning in Js 5:19-20 which clearly states that a wandering BROTHER risks the DEATH OF HIS SOUL, should someone not turn him back. But you ignore that also. Death of the soul = no salvation.
 
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Brothers - who lost their salvation. If you don't believe the plain meaning of Gal 1:6 then you also have to not heed the warning in Js 5:19-20 which clearly states that a wandering BROTHER risks the DEATH OF HIS SOUL, should someone not turn him back. But you ignore that also. Death of the soul = no salvation.
And yet, no matter how many times you reference it, it still doesn’t say that they lost their salvation.
 
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And yet, no matter how many times you reference it, it still doesn’t say that they lost their salvation.

Could I jump in here without reading all 19 pages and ask the question?

Has anyone correctly defined sanctification? And what is that definition?
 
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Could I jump in here without reading all 19 pages and ask the question?

Has anyone correctly defined sanctification? And what is that definition?
No, you gotta read them all. ^_^
 
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