Is Sola Scriptura Guilty of Logical Inconsistency?

Bible Highlighter said:

Sola Scriptura ultimately rests in trusting God's Word alone for our faith, morals, salvation, etc. Our minds, hearts, and lives align to what His Word says, and not what we want it to say.

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What about in the areas where you are unsure?

QvQ said:

I am defining conscience as a moral code, what compels a person to righteousness. If you consider the old blood feuds, those men felt compelled by conscience, by their code to avenge. When a person becomes a Christian, then that person is in the abiding presence of God and accepts His Word as the moral code. However, reason must be applied. Charity is the moral code of the Christians, right there in the Word, but it must be done informed by reason which means you don't give money to alcoholic panhandlers. That is simple but the best illustration I can provide offhand.

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Moral codes do not loyalties make. SMH
Ephesians4:17-24

4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind 3563,nous

4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: (blindness: or, hardness)

4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind 3563;nous

4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.(true or, holiness of truth)


3563 noús the God-given capacity of each person to think (reason); the mind; mental capacity to exercise reflective thinking.


For the believer, 3563 (noús) is the organ of receiving God's thoughts, through faith.


Ro 12:2,3: "2And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind (3563 /ólynthos), so that you may prove what the will (2307 /thélma) of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith (4102 /pístis)"



Ephesians 4:17

NAS: walk, in the futility of their mind,

KJV: the vanity of their mind,

INT: [the] futility of the mind of them


Ephesians 4:23

NAS: in the spirit of your mind,

KJV: in the spirit of your mind;

INT: spirit of the mind of you


The conscience in the heart, as being made new (ie: the function of the conscience being recovered to its original state) to the extent that the believer now hates sins and dislikes sinning, doesn't necessarily follow that it remains new afterwards, nor does it necessarily renew every day. The conscience can become seared so as to no longer function in the renewed compacity.


If tolerating sins repeatedly and not listening to conscience, the conscience will then no longer rebuke and in doing so will lose its function.

The same is true of the mind, the nous, and it is critical to every believer's position and living life as abiding in Him.


A believer hasn't the same mind of the darkened intellect (refer to Romans 1:28 where it says reprobate nous. Ephesians 4:17 vain nous. Colossians 2:18 fleshly nous. 2 Timothy 3:8 corrupt nous. Titus 1:15 defiled nous.)

or the intellect that argues philosophically about there being no God,

(both argue against God from a position an unrenewed spirit and heart)

because they are not able to enter into the depth of the teaching clearly and thoroughly and are not able to understand or 'know' God in a definite way.

Loversofjesus_2018 said:

To believe something means that you are taking someone else’s word for it. I would not say “I believe I’m posting from my smartphone right now”. I would say “I’m posting from my smartphone” because I now I am. When you enter in the word believe it means that there is a level of uncertainty but you have chosen to believe anyway. So was Abraham sure he believed? I’m guessing he was.

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But that is not the definition you gave about believing. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. If he was unsure, it would be unbelief on his part. The Bible says that whatsoever is not of faith is sin. So was Abraham partially sinful in his belief towards God in that his faith or belief in God was not 100%? I don't believe that. I believe Abraham's faith was with his whole heart towards God.

Loversofjesus_2018 said:

What about in the areas where you are unsure?

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I don't know all the details about how the wicked souls spend their time in hell for thousands of years. Are they conscious the whole time? Or do they go through long periods of sleep? The Bible does not really say. While I can make an educated guess based on the goodness of God, my word is not the final word of authority. The Bible officially does not say. So I cannot speak with authority as if it was the Word of God on that matter. For if it was important for us to know, then God would surely made this clear in His Word.

JAL said:

The problem is that I have no direct access to Scripture, only to my fallible interpretations of it.

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Then one should want to get that missing direct access. Primarily peoples' trouble is unwillingness to listen, because of very strong emphasis of gurus' overlays, doctrine dictated to them. They fail to hear if the doctrine in their mind talks over the Word.

So I've resolved to listen, instead of listening to mind talk, doctrine.

I want to hear Christ. Not Calvin, not Benedict, not a local pastor, not Ralph or Fred or Pope this or that, all helpful men worth listening to, but no substitute.

Nothing is a good substitute for being a listening to Christ.

Then I find out its true the Word is living.

LoreneDD said:

Moral codes do not loyalties make. SMH
Ephesians4:17-24

4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind 3563,nous

4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: (blindness: or, hardness)

4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind 3563;nous

4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.(true or, holiness of truth)


3563 noús the God-given capacity of each person to think (reason); the mind; mental capacity to exercise reflective thinking.


For the believer, 3563 (noús) is the organ of receiving God's thoughts, through faith.


Ro 12:2,3: "2And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind (3563 /ólynthos), so that you may prove what the will (2307 /thélma) of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith (4102 /pístis)"



Ephesians 4:17

NAS: walk, in the futility of their mind,

KJV: the vanity of their mind,

INT: [the] futility of the mind of them


Ephesians 4:23

NAS: in the spirit of your mind,

KJV: in the spirit of your mind;

INT: spirit of the mind of you


The conscience in the heart, as being made new (ie: the function of the conscience being recovered to its original state) to the extent that the believer now hates sins and dislikes sinning, doesn't necessarily follow that it remains new afterwards, nor does it necessarily renew every day. The conscience can become seared so as to no longer function in the renewed compacity.


If tolerating sins repeatedly and not listening to conscience, the conscience will then no longer rebuke and in doing so will lose its function.

The same is true of the mind, the nous, and it is critical to every believer's position and living life as abiding in Him.


A believer hasn't the same mind of the darkened intellect (refer to Romans 1:28 where it says reprobate nous. Ephesians 4:17 vain nous. Colossians 2:18 fleshly nous. 2 Timothy 3:8 corrupt nous. Titus 1:15 defiled nous.)

or the intellect that argues philosophically about there being no God,

(both argue against God from a position an unrenewed spirit and heart)

because they are not able to enter into the depth of the teaching clearly and thoroughly and are not able to understand or 'know' God in a definite way.

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You could get more information The Nous of human spirit that relates to the Holy Spirit

JAL said:

You're saying that theology isn't possible without Scripture. That's historically false. God gave the prophets direct revelations, which they then wrote down. Their knowledge originated in direct revelation, not in exegesis.

Right, the church has been reliant mostly on exegesis. That's a mistake. Like evangelicals, you assume that the very existence of Scripture implies Sola Scripture. I disagree. Scripture exists largely as a historical record of the prophetic paradigm thereby hoping to spur us on to the same.

Anyone who is a follower of Jesus needs to walk as Jesus walked. He was The Prophet of God.

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God is not isolated to being a certain way throughout all of time. This image I created should help to show you how God communicated in different ways with man throughout history.

@Loversofjesus_2018

Do you wholeheartedly believe the BIble is true?
I do.

Do you believe there are evidences that back up God's Word?
I do.

Check out my blogger article here to see the evidences:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

Bible Highlighter said:

God is not isolated to being a certain way throughout all of time. This image I created should help to show you how God communicated in different ways with man throughout history.

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God speaks only thru His Son. Hebrews 1

LoreneDD said:

God speaks only thru His Son. Hebrews 1

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But you just quoted Scripture to prove your point.
You cannot do that. If God only speaks to us through His Son, then you cannot quote something outside of the words of Jesus to prove your point.

LoreneDD said:

God speaks only thru His Son. Hebrews 1

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Paul said that what he had written should be regarded as the Lord's commandments (See 1 Corinthians 14:37).

wonderkins said:

This doesn't make sense.

You say scripture is infallible, but man's interpretation is fallible, which most Christians would agree.

But you think Sola Scriptura, or the belief that the Bible (God's Word) is our final authority, is wrong because man's interpretation is fallible.

Since the Bible is the only word of God that we have, shouldn't we only look to the Bible to learn about God? What other source are you looking to?

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Bible Highlighter said:

But that is not the definition you gave about believing. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. If he was unsure, it would be unbelief on his part.

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Bible Highlighter said:

@Loversofjesus_2018

Do you wholeheartedly believe the BIble is true?
I do.

Do you believe there are evidences that back up God's Word?
I do.

Check out my blogger article here to see the evidences:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

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I do understand what you are saying and I’ll check out the article as well.... however you can believe something and still not be 100% certain. From my understanding that is the only time you would use the word believe, when your aren’t sure but your willing to take a chance.

Loversofjesus_2018 said:

I do understand what you are saying and I’ll check out the article as well.... however you can believe something and still not be 100% certain. From my understanding that is the only time you would use the word believe, when your aren’t sure but your willing to take a chance.

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No. I can say that I believe in gravity. I am 100% certain of this truth. I believe that if a person jumps off a building, they will die if nothing helps to break his fall to save his life.

Bible Highlighter said:

Paul said that what he had written should be regarded as the Lord's commandments (See 1 Corinthians 14:37).

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Where does it say “New Covenant; The Church Today; God Speaks Only By The Written Word ~ The Bible? I know where it says He only speaks thru the Son. Which is new revelation of Him, Christ, to produce a further revelation of the Father.

Bible Highlighter said:

No. I can say that I believe in gravity. I am 100% certain of this truth. I believe that if a person jumps off a building, they will die if nothing helps to break his fall to save his life.

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Would you be able to show me without a shadow of a doubt how and why the Bible is 100% accurate and 100% true?

Loversofjesus_2018 said:

I do understand what you are saying and I’ll check out the article as well.... however you can believe something and still not be 100% certain. From my understanding that is the only time you would use the word believe, when your aren’t sure but your willing to take a chance.

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What I believe is to have truth (as far as I am able) behind my convictions is the only work that God gave me to do. Take the meat from what you find and throw away the bones, as some would say.

Loversofjesus_2018 said:

Would you be able to show me without a shadow of a doubt how and why the Bible is 100% accurate and 100% true?

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If you can show me this we can throw belief out the window because certainty and belief are not the same thing.

LoreneDD said:

Where does it say “New Covenant; The Church Today; God Speaks Only By The Written Word ~ The Bible? I know where it says He only speaks thru the Son. Which is new revelation of Him, Christ, to produce a further revelation of the Father.

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Paul says that what he writes should be regarded as the Lord's commands. Do you disagree with Paul? Do you only accept the words of Jesus in the four gospel alone and discount everything else?

Loversofjesus_2018 said:

If you can show me this we can throw belief out the window because certainty and belief are not the same thing.

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But true biblical faith or biblical belief is unwavering faith or certainty. If not, it is not really faith or a belief or trust in God. Can you say that a believer's faith in Jesus is only based on a percentage of certainty? Is a person's faith in the Bible only based on a percentage of certainty? Mine isn't. I believe the Bible is 100% true. I believe Jesus is my Savior 100%. Are you saying that this is not the case for other true genuine born again believers and that is normal?