why do USA politicians love environmental protection so much now? because

Goonie · Aug 19, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
Yes there are real concerns about the changing climate. I only point out that the solutions proposed from political circles do not actually deal with those concerns. They do not stop climate change or even slow it down nor are there many reasonable proposals for dealing with the consequences of a changing climate. . Mainly the proposed political solutions just redistribute wealth and power while watching the climate change. I am unaware of minimum prices for plastic bags doing anything much in reducing plastic waste. Perhaps you could provide the information I lack? Certainly the problem of plastic waste is one that could be solved fairly easily as it has only one cause , that being human wastefulness and therefore is controllable. Unlike climate change that most likely must be worked around rather than controlled due to the multiplicity of causes, many of which are completely out of our control.

Single-use plastic carrier bags charge: data in England for 2016 to 2017

Plastic bag sales in England down by a third in last year

Since the charges came into force there has been a 90% fall in the use of single use bags.

variant · Aug 19, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
I suspect it is less like window dressing and more like bait and switch. That would be the attitude behind the expression "never let a crisis go to waste." . Find something that people will agree is a problem then propose as a solution something you desire that does not in reality address that problem. Meet every objection to the proposed solution by claiming the critic is denying that the problem exists or has some reason for wanting the problem to continue to exist.

I don't know. I think we're stuck with solutions that don't do much because that is all anyone will accept.

There are also a lot of people who definitely do deny the problem exists, and those who benefit from ignoring it.

grasping the after wind · Aug 19, 2019

Goonie said:
Single-use plastic carrier bags charge: data in England for 2016 to 2017

Plastic bag sales in England down by a third in last year

Since the charges came into force there has been a 90% fall in the use of single use bags.

Thanks for the info.

My local county government just recently simply outlawed the practice of giving out single use plastic bags. It hasn't taken effect yet so I can't give any results of that law. One unintended consequence might end up being an increase in the use of paper bags which of course would require more trees used and more pollution from the paper making process. I never use single use bags to carry groceries so it won't affect me but other people are already complaining about it as much as I remember people complaining about stores going to plastic bags from paper ones years ago. That was not from environmental concerns but for economic reasons.

Goonie · Aug 19, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
Thanks for the info.

My local county government just recently simply outlawed the practice of giving out single use plastic bags. It hasn't taken effect yet so I can't give any results of that law. One unintended consequence might end up being an increase in the use of paper bags which of course would require more trees used and more pollution from the paper making process. I never use single use bags to carry groceries so it won't affect me but other people are already complaining about it as much as I remember people complaining about stores going to plastic bags from paper ones years ago. That was not from environmental concerns but for economic reasons.

I find it astonishing that the amount of recycled paper in toilet paper is dropping markedly. Seriously most toilet paper is from virgin forests :doh:

!.

cow451 · Aug 19, 2019

prosperity4all said:
why do USA politicians love environmental protection so much?

*cough*hack*wheeze*.....

Why should they care about clean air and water?

KCfromNC · Aug 20, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
I don't follow the train of reasoning. How would environmental protection rhetoric stimulate a short term uptick in the economy?

Plus, how is it new?

Erik Nelson · Aug 20, 2019

the Clean Air Act and similar environmental legislation are hailed as proof that government regulation can be good

Americans Are Living Longer, Thanks to the Clean Air Act

Government regulators went after the big industrial polluters, the primary source of the problem, and US air is arguably significantly cleaner as a result

note that I'm aware of no one who attributes the improvements to the myriad laws imposed upon individual private property owners whose lands can say be construed as wetlands

those regulations are like (in some sense) going after hunters and target practicers for the actions of mass shooters

going after the wrong parties unrelated to any crimes caused or pollutions passed on to the public

DZoolander · Aug 21, 2019

prosperity4all said:
why do USA politicians love environmental protection so much?

Because we and our children all breathe air, drink water, etc.

prosperity4all · Nov 15, 2019

Goonie said:
You don't have a long term without an environment.

yes

Desk trauma · Nov 15, 2019

Gattica?

evoeth · Nov 15, 2019

prosperity4all said:
why do USA politicians love environmental protection so much?

I happen to live in the "environment" as do you

durangodawood · Nov 15, 2019

Some people prefer a healthy and thriving biosphere.

evoeth · Nov 15, 2019

durangodawood said:
Some people prefer a healthy and thriving biosphere.

Some people prefer not to choke on the emissions of their neighbors.

Some people prefer to be able to swim in their local river or bay without getting a rash, bacterial infection, or worse.

Some people prefer to be able to drink their local streams and not die.

Some people prefer to be able to plant vegetables in their gardens without worrying about soil and groundwater contamination.

Some people prefer not to inhale lead or asbestos.

We live in our environment. It's not an option.

essentialsaltes · Nov 15, 2019

“In June 1969, the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland, Ohio caught fire — a river long polluted with oily wastes, chemicals, and debris."

When water catches on fire, it might be time to do something.

Erik Nelson · Nov 16, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
“In June 1969, the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland, Ohio caught fire — a river long polluted with oily wastes, chemicals, and debris."

When water catches on fire, it might be time to do something.

modern safe carbon free nuclear power?

wing2000 · Nov 16, 2019

Goonie said:
I find it astonishing that the amount of recycled paper in toilet paper is dropping markedly. Seriously most toilet paper is from virgin forests!.

Using toilet paper is rather arcane anyway. I prefer H20 (bidet).

prosperity4all · Jun 12, 2020

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DaisyDay · Jun 12, 2020

prosperity4all said:
Administration 100 Environmental Rules. Here’s the Full List.

Yeah, that's worrisome.

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