Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

pitabread said:

Except that you clearly haven't been doing that. And you still don't understand the burden of proof.

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Your "burden of proof" is to fall in line with the rest of the false ToE.

pitabread said:

No you don't. You make up creationist fan fiction and then demand others disprove it.

Isn't there something in the Bible about bearing false witness?

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Yes, and your first sentence is a good example. IF I was making up the story of the creation, it would be obvious to everyone, especially those who actually believe the Bible. So far, no one has refuted me in any way. Many have tried but only one (MichaelR) has even come close. Try to do better.

Colter said:

Water first appeared as vapor in the earths atmosphere around 850,000,000 years ago. By 800,000,000 years ago the water was condensing into the great Pacific ocean.

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I didn't ask you about water on the present Earth but instead, where Water first appeared in Genesis 1:2. Was it created or compounded?

Colter said:

There are 2 creation stories combined which is a mess.

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Not for Christians who know the scientific Truth in the last days. Hint: God tells the entire history of His creation of the perfect Heaven in the FIRST chapter of Genesis. All of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to the outline of the 6 Days of work God revealed in the creation in Genesis chapter One.

Colter said:

Adam was created long after the stars and came from another world to an evolved, previously populated earth.

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Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day, long before any plant or person. Genesis 2:4-7
Adam was "created" on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, according to Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16. It takes the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to "create".

Are you sure that you understand Genesis?

Bungle_Bear said:

What age did the core samples give? Let me help with that as I know you'll ignore the question. The answer is 15,000 years BP. More importantly, the PALEOVAN project in 2010 drilled cores back to 600,000 years BP and still no evidence of a firmament.

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Did they drill every square mile? Of course not. That is what it would take to uncover the bottom of Adam's firmament, which was only miles wide, since the Lake is 75 miles wide. Also, they did NOT drill the Northern section of the Lake which is smaller.

Kylie said:

Easy. All you have is a bunch of wishful thinking. You've got no evidence of any substance whatsoever.

It's like me saying evolution is proved because I'm confident that they'll find the definitive evidence for it tomorrow. You wouldn't be convinced by that, so why should I be convinced by your identical argument?

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Because I've listed many agreements of Genesis with science, history, genetics and math and NO one here can refute my view in ANY way. I have 10 agreements. Would you like to try to refute one scientifically? or Scripturally? or in any other way? I only list FUTURE discoveries because some have asked for me to explain the discoveries of tomorrow.

Do we really need another Aman thread?

Aman777 said:

Because I've listed many agreements of Genesis with science, history, genetics and math and NO one here can refute my view in ANY way. I have 10 agreements. Would you like to try to refute one scientifically? or Scripturally? or in any other way? I only list FUTURE discoveries because some have asked for me to explain the discoveries of tomorrow.

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I, for one, can see no reason to even attempt it. Your view is unique in the history of Christian doctrine.

46AND2 said:

You are the one who claims a difference. So you tell us how you know they hit firmament, and how you can tell the difference. What is firmament made of? Does it have radioactive decay byproduct? An unusual hardness? Unusual composition?

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The firmament, like all other matter, is composed of air, dust and water. Jesus made it billions of years before the big bang of Adam's world. It protected Adam's entire Universe/Heaven from the water which totally surrounded it. Genesis 1:6-7 For the past 11k years, it has remained in the depths of Lake Van.

46AND2 said:

Likewise, please explain why they would stop drilling when you said they would...if they kept going through volcanic debris, it's beyond the depth of the lake, so why stop...

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They stop when the drill is unable to penetrate the boundary/firmament of Adam's world, which kept the water, into which it was placed, from destroying it. The past 11k years under Lake Van hasn't put a scratch on it.

46AND2 said:

Why didn't they find the same thing at the bottom of Lake Sugitsu?

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Because there was only ONE firmament which God called Heaven made the 2nd Day

46AND2 said:

Details, sir. You don't get to count it as confirmation of your story if it can be explained by standard geology.

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Since the firmament is the solid boundary of Adam's Universe, was made by the Hands of Jesus out of the same materials the 3rd Heaven is made of, is the most valuable Treasure on Planet Earth, it would be well worth the time of any TV evangelist or scientist seeking a big grant to find it. Amen?

VirOptimus said:

Do we really need another Aman thread?

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Absolutely, since some have claimed that believing the changeable half-truths of the ToE, which they cannot explain, are Fact.

Speedwell said:

I, for one, can see no reason to even attempt it. Your view is unique in the history of Christian doctrine.

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Amen, but I cannot take the credit since God, the Holy Spirit, wrote the story. I don't want to be accused of plagiarism. The reason no one can refute it in any way is that the Spirit of Truth authored it. It's proof of God.

VirOptimus said:

Do we really need another Aman thread?

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Rhetorical question!!

Aman777 said:

I didn't ask you about water on the present Earth but instead, where Water first appeared in Genesis 1:2. Was it created or compounded?



Not for Christians who know the scientific Truth in the last days. Hint: God tells the entire history of His creation of the perfect Heaven in the FIRST chapter of Genesis. All of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to the outline of the 6 Days of work God revealed in the creation in Genesis chapter One.



Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day, long before any plant or person. Genesis 2:4-7
Adam was "created" on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, according to Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16. It takes the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to "create".

Are you sure that you understand Genesis?

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Its a singular obsession of yours which indicates an insecurity on your "special understanding" of the speculative story invented by the Israelites.

Aman777 said:

So far, no one has refuted me in any way.

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Which again goes back to you not understanding the burden of proof. We don't have to refute you. The onus is on you to support your ideas.

It's the latter you've failed to do.

Aman777 said:

Your "burden of proof" is to fall in line with the rest of the false ToE.

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This sentence makes no sense.

Colter said:

Its a singular obsession of yours which indicates an insecurity on your "special understanding" of the speculative story invented by the Israelites.

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Not so but it reveals your failure to understand that Water is a compound. It's was "created" inside the first thing created, which was Heaven/Air. That is WHY the 1st verse in the Bible does not read heaven earth and Water. That is what any man would write but the Holy Spirit is much more specific, since He is bound to tell the whole Truth that water was not created. Science and Scripture agree. Amen?

pitabread said:

Which again goes back to you not understanding the burden of proof. We don't have to refute you. The onus is on you to support your ideas.

It's the latter you've failed to do.

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False, since I have shown the agreement of Scripture, science, history, genetics and math and NO one has been able to explain HOW this agreement wound up in Genesis. There is but one reason, It was authored by God Himself. Otherwise, this view would have been refuted (proven wrong) more than 20 years ago. It's proof of God.

pitabread said:

This sentence makes no sense.

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The only way you will believe me is IF I ranted against the Holy Spirit and joined the throngs who worship at the altar of scientific believers.

Aman777 said:

False, since I have shown the agreement of Scripture, science, history, genetics and math and NO one has been able to explain HOW this agreement wound up in Genesis.

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I've already given you examples of contradictions between science and the Bible (like the out of order creation of things like fruit trees appearing before aquatic life). And your only response is always a bunch of unsupported creationist fan fiction about alternate dimensions followed a demand that others refute you.

That's all your arguments ever boil down to: unsupported assertions and attempts to shift the burden of proof. It's weak.

And when you claim that you are supporting your arguments, that's just false witness. Which is a violation of your god's commandments.

Aman777 said:

The only way you will believe me is IF I ranted against the Holy Spirit and joined the throngs who worship at the altar of scientific believers.

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That still doesn't follow from what I wrote about burden of proof. Do you know what burden of proof means?

Aman777 said:

I'll leave this Earth but I will never die.

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Better take plenty of reading material