You like to debunk possible explanations of what is prophesied to happen. What about a positive suggestion of your own to explain how the clearly stated prophecy of the moon shining brightly blood red can occur.
Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 say that on the Lord's Day of wrath, the moon will shine red, as bright as the sun. How will this happen?
If it is not by being struck by superheated hydrogen plasma, ejected from the sun, as I believe, then you come up with a valid alternative.
That the Lord will instigate a Coronal mass Ejection of an unprecedented magnitude, is confirmed in Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-3 and Malachi 4:1
It will send out billions of tons of ejected plasma, which will literally fulfil all the graphically described prophesies about that terrible Day.
Another prophecy we disagree on.
Jesus does NOT Return in 'flaming fire; at all. He comes in glory, accompanied by the Angelic armies. He destroys the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word.
Supernatural? Why, when God has always used people or natural things like hail, earthquakes and water, as in Noah's flood.
No; a massive CME will do all the described things to fulfil the soon to happen Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath against the nations.
Forget the laws of Physics, and Chemistry, found below in the Thermite reaction.
2 Al + Fe2 O3 -------> Al2 O3 + 2 Fe + heat
Forget what the Bible says in the passage below.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Say whatever it takes to make your man-made Coronal Mass Ejection theory work.
That would be the best way to create your own reality.
While you are at it, please give us an explanation of how Christ walked on water, without a supernatural event.
Your ranting and constant denigration of the viable explanation of the fire that the Lord will send,
I asked for your ideas on how the plainly stated, yet to happen; moon shining brightly blood red, could occur. If you want to say it is just allegorical, then what about all the other plainly stated facts in the Bible?
But you didn't explain it at all. It will be the Lord's Day of wrath; in the time of Noah, He used water to reset that civilization. Now, as we are again in the days of Noah, Matthew 24:37-42, what can we expect?
Hello Keras.
The Olivet Discourse and Revelation concerns 1st century Jerusalem/Judea, not the whole world.
Joe 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
Act 2:20
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
Rev 6:12
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[fn] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon[fn] became like blood
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:21 great tribulation, great distress, and wrath
Matthew has "great tribulation and beginning of world"
Mark has "tribulation and creation of world"
Luke never mentions tribulation or creation, however he does use the exact word form of #2889 for "world" as Matt 24 and 3 verses in Revelation.
Matthew 24:21
for then shall be great tribulation, such as not has become from
beginning of world<2889> till of the now, neither not no may be becoming.
Mark 13:19
for shall be those days tribulation, such as not has become such from
beginning of creation<2397> which God creates till of the now, and not no may be becoming
Luke 21
22 That
days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:29 Signs in sun, moon, stars, powers of heavens shaken
Matthew 24:29
Yet immediately
after the tribulation of those days,
the
sun shall be being darkened,
and the
moon not shall be giving the beam<5338> of her
and the
stars shall be falling from the heaven,
and
the powers of the heavens shall be being shaken<4531>
Mark 13:
24 ‘But in those the days,
after that tribulation,
that the
sun shall be being darkened,
and the
moon not shall be give her beam,
25 and the
stars shall be falling out of the heavens,
and
the powers the in the heavens shall be be being shaken
Luke 21:
25 ‘And shall be
signs in sun, and moon, and stars,
and on the land together anguish/distress of nations state of quandary, roaring of sea and of shaking/tempest
26 men fainting of heart from fear and apprehensiveness of the coming to the homed-land<3625>.
For
the powers o
f the heavens shall be being shaken.
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A few commentaries from the Partial Preterist view:
Matthew 24:29 | Study Archive
John Gill (1809)
"Ver. 29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, &c.] That is, immediately after the distress the Jews would be in through the siege of Jerusalem, and the calamities attending it; just upon the destruction of that city, and the temple in it, with the whole nation of the Jews, shall the following things come to pass; and therefore cannot be referred to the last judgment, or what should befall the church, or world, a little before that time, or should be accomplished in the whole intermediate time, between the destruction of Jerusalem, and the last judgment: for all that is said to account for such a sense, as that it was usual with the prophets to speak of judgments afar off as near; and that the apostles often speak of the coming of Christ, the last judgment, and the end of the world, as just at hand; and that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, will not answer to the word "immediately", or show that that should be understood of two thousand years after: besides, all the following things were to be fulfilled before that present generation, in which Christ lived, passed away, #
Mt 24:34 and therefore must be understood of things that should directly, and immediately take place upon, or at the destruction of the city and temple.
Shall the sun be darkened: not in a literal but in a figurative sense; and is to be understood not of the religion of the Jewish church; nor of the knowledge of the law among them, and the decrease of it; nor of the Gospel being obscured by heretics and false teachers; nor of the temple of Jerusalem, senses which are given into by one or another; but of the Shekinah, or the divine presence in the temple. The glory of God, who is a sun and a shield, filled the tabernacle, when it was reared up; and so it did the temple, when it was built and dedicated; in the most holy place, Jehovah took up his residence; here was the symbol of his presence, the mercy seat, and the two cherubim over it: and though God had for some time departed from this people, and a voice was heard in the temple before its destruction, saying, "let us go hence"; yet the token of the divine presence remained till the utter destruction of it; and then this sun was wholly darkened, and there was not so much as the outward symbol of it:
and the moon shall not give her light; which also is to be explained in a figurative and metaphorical sense; and refers not to the Roman empire, which quickly began to diminish; nor to the city of Jerusalem; nor to the civil polity of the nation; but to the ceremonial law, the moon, the church is said to have under her feet, #
Re 12:1 so called because the observance of new moons was one part of it, and the Jewish festivals were regulated by the moon; and especially, because like the moon, it was variable and changeable. Now, though this, in right, was abolished at the death of Christ, and ceased to give any true light, when he, the substance, was come; yet was kept up by the Jews, as long as their temple was standing; but when that was destroyed, the daily sacrifice, in fact, ceased, and so it has ever since; the Jews esteeming it unlawful to offer sacrifice in a strange land, or upon any other altar than that of Jerusalem; and are to this day without a sacrifice, and without an ephod:
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Adam Clarke (1837)
"Immediately after the tribulation, &c. Commentators generally understand this, and what follows, of the end of the world and Christ's coming to judgment: but the word
immediately shows that our Lord is not speaking of any
distant event, but of something immediately consequent on calamities already predicted: and that must be the destruction of Jerusalem...
"In the prophetic language, great commotions upon the earth are often represented under the notion of commotions and changes in the heavens: -
"The fall of
Babylon is represented by the stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon being darkened. See Isa. xiii. 9,10.
"The destruction of
Egypt, by the heaven being covered, the sun enveloped with a cloud, and the moon withholding her light. Ezek. xxxii. 7,8.
"The destruction of
the Jews by
Antioch Epiphanes, is represented by
casting down some of the host of heaven, and the
stars to the ground. See Dan. viii. 10.
"And this very destruction of
Jerusalem is represented by the Prophet Joel, chap. ii. 30,31, by showing wonders in heaven and in earth -
Darkening the sun, and turning the moon into blood. This general mode of describing these judgments leaves no room to doubt the propriety of its application in the present case" (
Clarke, on
Matt 24:29)
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Gary DeMar (1996)
"The darkening of the sun and moon and the falling of the stars, coupled with the shaking of the heavens (24:29), are more descriptive ways of saying that "heaven and earth will pass away" (24:35). In other contexts, when stars fall, they fall to the earth, a sure sign of temporal judgment (
Isaiah 14:12;
Daniel 8:10;
Revelation 6:13;
9:1;
12:4). So then, the "passing away of heaven and earth" is the passing away of the old covenant world of Judaism led and upheld by those who "crucified the Lord of glory" (
1 Corinthians 2:8). (Taken from:
The Passing Away of Heaven and Earth )
"Before the advent of speculative exegesis, most Bible commentators who studied the whole Bible understood the relationship of collapsing-universe language with the destruction of the religious and civil state of the Jewish nation." (
Last Days Madness, GA: American Vision, 1997, p. 137)
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F.W. Farrar (1886)
" The powers of heaven were being shaken. Suns and moons and stars- from Roman Emperors down to Jewish Priests - were one after another waxing dim, and shooting from their spheres. Clearly the day must be at hand of which the Lord had said that it would come
ere that generation passed away, and that all the things of which He had spoken would be fulfilled" (p. 414)
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John Lightfoot (1889)
"The destruction of Jerusalem is phrased in Scripture as the destruction of the whole world; and Christ's coming to her in judgment, as his coming to the last judgment. Therefore, those dreadful things, spoken of in
Matt. 24:29,
30 and
31, are but borrowed expressions, to set forth the terms of that judgment the more.. v.30 - "then shall they see" - not any visible appearance of Christ, or of the cross, in the clouds (as some have imagined); but, whereas Jews would not own Christ before for the Son of Man, or for the Messias, then by the vengeance that he should execute upon them, they and all the world should see an evident sign, and it was so. This, therefore, is called "his coming," and his coming in his kingdom." [
A Commentary on the Acts of the Apostles, ed. Rev. John Rogers Pitman (London: J.F. Dove, 1825), p.141]
