More than half of Americans say Trump is racist, including 80% of African-Americans
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Willie T
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I realize some here may not get a chance to do a lot of research, so I thought I would throw in these related abbreviated definitions to help some people from going too crazy with their labeling.
"Stereotypes" are oversimplified ideas about groups of people.
"Prejudice" refers to thoughts and feelings, while...
"Discrimination" refers to actions.
"Racism" refers to the belief that one race is inherently superior or inferior to other races.
"Stereotypes" are oversimplified ideas about groups of people.
"Prejudice" refers to thoughts and feelings, while...
"Discrimination" refers to actions.
"Racism" refers to the belief that one race is inherently superior or inferior to other races.
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Like I said hit or miss and extremely easy to manipulate, but believe in them if you want.uhmmm...I might point out the polls were accurate in predicting millions more people were going to not be voting for President Trump then voted for him, and they were right. It wasn't the polls that were wrong, what was wrong was predicting the poll results.
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Willie T
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No, that would be smart business in not having almost of your rentals leave (with no one to replace them) because you changed the atmosphere of their community in a way they did not want it changed....you mean like making sure only one particular race is allowed to rent one of your apartments? Or making sure one races arn't allowed to rent one?
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It's not arguable. Mathematically, it can be shown that to a very high degree of confidence, an accurate sample of American votes can precisely show what Americans are thinking. The only issue is sampling. And statisticians have gotten very, very good at sampling. Their jobs depend on it; corporations spend billions on such sampling to decide what products to make and how to market them.
In the 2016 election, the RCP aggregate of polls came out just over 1% off of the actual vote. In 2016, it was less than that for the total congressional polls.
What about outliers, like Rasmussen? I nearly fell out of my chair when I learned that they did only land lines for polling. Who tends to still have land lines? Older people. And they tend to skew to the right. Which why they blew the last elections so badly.
A similar issue happened back when polls predicted Alf Landon would beat Roosevelt. They only used telephones for the survey. Who had phones back in the 1930s? Mostly prosperous people. And so they missed it by a huge margin.
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tulc said: ↑
...you mean like making sure only one particular race is allowed to rent one of your apartments? Or making sure one races arn't allowed to rent one?
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The issue of moral corruption aside, this was New York City, not Birmingham, Alabama. Very unlikely, especially with the shortage of apartments in the city at that time. But it's true that Trump probably thought that way. In one meeting with the federal enforcement people, he said "you don't want to live near them, either." He actually believed most people were like that.
...you mean like making sure only one particular race is allowed to rent one of your apartments? Or making sure one races arn't allowed to rent one?
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The issue of moral corruption aside, this was New York City, not Birmingham, Alabama. Very unlikely, especially with the shortage of apartments in the city at that time. But it's true that Trump probably thought that way. In one meeting with the federal enforcement people, he said "you don't want to live near them, either." He actually believed most people were like that.
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BTW, racism is inferring characteristics in people just because of their race. It works both ways. Trump was convinced that blacks were not smart enough to be "counting my money", but also believed that Jews were superior to others when it came to money. That's also racist, as is supposing that people from Finland would make better Americans than people from places where they have darker skins. (which he also said)
It's no longer the party of Reagan, who welcomed immigration from anywhere, supposing that our way was so much better that immigrants would want to be part of it.
Reagan was right. Trump represents the republican party's loss of confidence in the American Dream.
It's no longer the party of Reagan, who welcomed immigration from anywhere, supposing that our way was so much better that immigrants would want to be part of it.
Reagan was right. Trump represents the republican party's loss of confidence in the American Dream.
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Willie T
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He didn't rent the kind of apartments you or I could afford at maybe only a few thousand dollars a month. He rented expensive, high end places where the occupants were quite discriminatory about their neighbors. And unless you are a total fool, you listen to the people who are supporting you with their rent money.tulc said: ↑
...you mean like making sure only one particular race is allowed to rent one of your apartments? Or making sure one races arn't allowed to rent one?
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The issue of moral corruption aside, this was New York City, not Birmingham, Alabama. Very unlikely, especially with the shortage of apartments in the city at that time. But it's true that Trump probably thought that way. In one meeting with the federal enforcement people, he said "you don't want to live near them, either." He actually believed most people were like that.
Anyone can sit at a computer and claim all sorts of righteousness about how THEY would conduct business, but when the rubber meets the road, it is time to be honest. No one here would risk losing millions of dollars to try to act like THEY were morally superior to other landlords.
Trump wasn't making judgements about people. He (just like US Home I worked for at the same time) was thinking about keeping his apartments rented. And to do that, he had to please the 99% of the people who already rented his kind of apartments.
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Those type of high end places should no more be able to discriminate than any other place. Percy Julian had gasoline poured into his house while the family was sleeping. He and other family members sat up nights with a gun to prevent his family from being murdered The man was has an award named after him by the prestigious American Chemical Society . I think he could have done even better work if he hadn’t had his sleep interrupted by evil people who want to murder him because they just didn’t like living next to a black man . His skin color was more important to some ignoramuses than his intelligence.
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So ... you're talking about millionaires and billionaires, right ?
Trump has had (6) bankruptcies. So, obviously, ... fairness in housing seems not too great a risk for people like him to bear.
Unless it is your position that millionaires/billionaires should be held to a different moral standard than the less financially endowed man ?
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Like I said, "Honesty!" If you owned those apartments, would you tell people paying as much as $100K a month to "suck it up"....that you were going to rent to perhaps only two people in the whole county who could afford your rates, and leave the rest vacant when your present renters moved out
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Trump is the first president since Wilson who is publicly racist. No point in denying it. As you know, Americans recognize that. He's betting that there are enough racists and amoral non-racists in the republican party to get him re-elected.
A majority, in fact.
Apparently not as many as in 2016. Trump's own polls show him in trouble.
Trump’s Own Polling Data Shows He’s in Deep Trouble. Here’s How He Reportedly Tried to Bury It.
Trump’s Own Polling Data Shows He’s in Deep Trouble. Here’s How He Reportedly Tried to Bury It.
His own polls say he is. But he's doing something about it:
He fired the guys who did the polls for him.
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Actually, wealthy (usually educated) people generally aren't as racist as poor and uneducated people.
If you break the law to pander to customers, I'd say that was foolish; wouldn't you? So there was a great exodus of white people from his apartments when he ceased his racist discrimination? Show us that.
When I conducted business, I obeyed the law. Didn't think of it as righteousness. I just believe one should obey the law unless it's a greater moral offense to obey it than to break it.
Other landlords obeyed the law. That's why they weren't caught and punished.
At one point, he told one of the investigators, "You wouldn't want to live near them, either."
Other landlords didn't. That excuse won't fly.
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So you're saying that it's OK to be racially discriminatory, even though it's against the law, as long as it will make more money for you? Am I understanding you correctly? Feel free to clarify.
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I suppose the point is, Trump will, and does.
My guess is that most Trump supporters tolerate him doing and saying things that they would never do or say themselves, and would be angered or disgusted if anyone else did or said them.
I don't get it, but that's how it seems to be.
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I think this is the crux of it - I don't get it! I don't get how someone can purportedly be for certain morals and values but then say it's OK for someone ELSE to lack those morals and values in order to get things done for the sake of money. For me, the Bible says not to be a stumbling block to others and encourage them in their sin, not to mention that we shouldn't support others' sin.
But most of all the Bible says man cannot worship God and mammon (money), he will love one and hate the other. When I see immoral actions justified by economics/money then it becomes clear to me who is being served in that situation.
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