Unforgiveable sin

nolidad · Aug 16, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
So many scriptureless theories; so little time to debunk them all.

Well this is not a theory but a simple fact as borne out by the Scriptures themselves!

Why most don't understand is that we are gentiles looking at teh time when Jesus was proclaiming and proving Himself to be the Jewish Messiah!

Like the three Messianic miracles. These had been taught for centuries that only messiah can do these things. And only Jesus did them.

1. Healing of a Jewish leper. (no Jewish leper was healed in the OT) (Luke 1:40)
2. Healing of a man born blind. (John 9)
3. casting a demon out of a mute man. (Matt. 12)

When he performed the third and final messianic miracle (Matt. 12) the people went to the pharisees and said- this is the Messiah , isn't he? Because they were taught only Messiah would do all these three miracles.

Teh leaders of Israel then accused Jesus of being demon possessed. After they said this against HIm- He pronounced judgment against that generation! This was fulfilled in 66-70Ad with the destruction of Jerusalem as spelled out in Luke 21:20-23.

Notice also that after the event of Matthew 12- Jesus no more preached openly to the people, but spoke publicly just in parables. It was such a change, that the apostles in MAtt. 13:10 asked why he was speaking in parables. He had finished announcing His Messiahship publicly. The leaders of Israel rejected HIm so Jesus scope and ministry changed to preparing the 12 to establish the Church (the mystery form of the kingdom).

I can recommend 2 excellent studies that go into great depth on this and shows why. We must remember that the gospels are very very Jewish works and much is spoken in the gospels from a Jewish perspective and understanding.

D.A. Wright · Aug 16, 2019

nolidad said:
Well this is not a theory but a simple fact as borne out by the Scriptures themselves!

Why most don't understand is that we are gentiles looking at teh time when Jesus was proclaiming and proving Himself to be the Jewish Messiah!

Like the three Messianic miracles. These had been taught for centuries that only messiah can do these things. And only Jesus did them.

1. Healing of a Jewish leper. (no Jewish leper was healed in the OT) (Luke 1:40)
2. Healing of a man born blind. (John 9)
3. casting a demon out of a mute man. (Matt. 12)

When he performed the third and final messianic miracle (Matt. 12) the people went to the pharisees and said- this is the Messiah , isn't he? Because they were taught only Messiah would do all these three miracles.

Teh leaders of Israel then accused Jesus of being demon possessed. After they said this against HIm- He pronounced judgment against that generation! This was fulfilled in 66-70Ad with the destruction of Jerusalem as spelled out in Luke 21:20-23.

Notice also that after the event of Matthew 12- Jesus no more preached openly to the people, but spoke publicly just in parables. It was such a change, that the apostles in MAtt. 13:10 asked why he was speaking in parables. He had finished announcing His Messiahship publicly. The leaders of Israel rejected HIm so Jesus scope and ministry changed to preparing the 12 to establish the Church (the mystery form of the kingdom).

I can recommend 2 excellent studies that go into great depth on this and shows why. We must remember that the gospels are very very Jewish works and much is spoken in the gospels from a Jewish perspective and understanding.

I've sat through hundreds of advanced (some, ThD-level) Bible studies, and never have I heard it said that we must remember the Gospels are very very Jewish works that require some discernment beyond the capability of the common man (for whom the Bible was written).

Fascinating Theological Elitism 535 stuff, I'm sure.

I can recommend 2 excellent (and very very simple) studies as well:

Matthew 12:32, which does not read:

"Any nation who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but the nation which speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven that nation, either in this age or in the age to come."

And Genesis 6:3, which does not read:

"And the LORD said, 'My spirit shall not always strive with a nation, for that a nation also is flesh: yet a nation's days shall be an hundred and twenty years.'"

D.A. Wright · Aug 17, 2019

Stranger36147 said:
Apparently, it's subjective....since no one can seem to agree on how exactly one commits this sin.

Well, if it's subjective then I hope it's also unimportant!

Skawk” · Aug 17, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
No, you did not commit the unforgivable sin.

"And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." (Matthew 12:31) NIV

The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not about speech at all. Blasphemy is claiming to be God or claiming to have authority or power that belongs only to Him. Such as the power to absolve sins or the right to accept worship...

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God. (John 10:33) AKJV

Or, in the case of the office of the Holy Spirit, to be the ultimate Interpreter of Scripture or convict of sin.

And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment. (John 16:8) NLT

A person commits the unpardonable sin when he hardens his heart by ignoring the pleadings of the Spirit until he can no longer sense, or hear them.

I hope this is clear enough to ease your mind and encourage you to continue to love God with all your heart, mind and strength.

God Bless You, Friend

Hello I asked the same question on Quora and someone reacted whit this "Yes, you messed up. Of course God heard this and you know that God is quite resentful. You no longer have it from eternity, forget it. You only have one thing left to do: enjoy life to the full. Then at least you have something." I'm scared again now did I really do it or is this man telling a lie I..... I really want a answer now so I am sure I did not do it. Because I was so happy I know I did not do lt until someone reacted whit that. Can you please tell me I did it or no.

NoahSK · Aug 17, 2019

Kian-vg said:
Hello I asked the same question on Quora and someone reacted whit this "Yes, you messed up. Of course God heard this and you know that God is quite resentful. You no longer have it from eternity, forget it. You only have one thing left to do: enjoy life to the full. Then at least you have something." I'm scared again now did I really do it or is this man telling a lie I..... I really want a answer now so I am sure I did not do it. Because I was so happy I know I did not do lt until someone reacted whit that. Can you please tell me I did it or no.

Don't listen to that guy. You have not. Quora is full of people from all sorts of different religions, including atheism. My guess is it was an atheist trying to mess with you and get you to leave Christianity or something. Just ignore him.

Back to your original post. Allah, while it does translate to God in Arabic, is most widely used and understood to mean the god of Islam, which is not the same god. So you are completely fine. Don't worry about this.

Skawk” · Aug 17, 2019

NoahSK said:
Don't listen to that guy. You have not. Quora is full of people from all sorts of different religions, including atheism. My guess is it was an atheist trying to mess with you and get you to leave Christianity or something. Just ignore him.

Back to your original post. Allah, while it does translate to God in Arabic, is most widely used and understood to mean the god of Islam, which is not the same god. So you are completely fine. Don't worry about this.

Ok i replied to that guy and he said that he don't believe in God and he don't know where he was talking about....

nolidad · Aug 17, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
I've sat through hundreds of advanced (some, ThD-level) Bible studies, and never have I heard it said that we must remember the Gospels are very very Jewish works that require some discernment beyond the capability of the common man (for whom the Bible was written).

Fascinating Theological Elitism 535 stuff, I'm sure.

I can recommend 2 excellent (and very very simple) studies as well:

Matthew 12:32, which does not read:

"Any nation who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but the nation which speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven that nation, either in this age or in the age to come."

And Genesis 6:3, which does not read:

"And the LORD said, 'My spirit shall not always strive with a nation, for that a nation also is flesh: yet a nation's days shall be an hundred and twenty years.'"

What is a THD level Bible study anyway?

I guess then I must teach masters level bible studies then.

It seems you forget that First Jesus came to offer HImself as Messiah of Israel!
He presented HImself to Israel as a nation and the nation rejected HIm. He also said that the kingdom would be offered to another generation and they would accept it- they are the Jews at the end of Daniels 70th week!

If the bible was written for the common man- then why do you need to attend THD level bible studies????

But we gentile Christians have many gross misunderstandings of what is actually happening in the gospels, simply because we do not understand the Jewish Culture and mindset of Jesus day! Jesus lived and moved and acted in a particular culture. It was very Jewish under subjection to Rome.

I would recommend you read

"Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah" by Dr. Alfred Eddersheim
and
"The Life of Jesus from a Hebrew Perspective" by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum (4 volumes)

We must remember that the writers of teh Gospels were all Jewish and wrote from a Jewish mindset. They were not thinking they were writing Scripture and it would stand for 2 millenia and were given some kind of neutral mindset! We do well to understand how they thought and how they used words.

D.A. Wright · Aug 17, 2019

Kian-vg said:
Hello I asked the same question on Quora and someone reacted whit this "Yes, you messed up. Of course God heard this and you know that God is quite resentful. You no longer have it from eternity, forget it. You only have one thing left to do: enjoy life to the full. Then at least you have something." I'm scared again now did I really do it or is this man telling a lie I..... I really want a answer now so I am sure I did not do it. Because I was so happy I know I did not do lt until someone reacted whit that. Can you please tell me I did it or no.

You say you really want an answer, but with all the answers you've been given, you still aren't satisfied. Perhaps you're looking for an answer that will make you feel that there is no possibility for you to be lost. Perhaps you are, in fact, waiting for an answer that brings some euphoric feeling which you crave much more than anything actually truthful. It is becoming very difficult for me to understand exactly what it is that you want.

You are venturing dangerously into the territory of selfishness with your obsession as to whether or not you are saved, and I can no longer continue to fuel its fire. I have told you the truth as plainly as I can, and you refuse to simply believe or not believe it. You must make a decision to trust God or not. You will find an endless amount of opinions on the Internet to confuse and unsettle you. I strongly advise against any further searching. It will drive you to despair. There is nothing more I can think of to add to what I have already said about the question you are asking over and over again. You may be sure I will continue to pray for you, Friend.

D.A. Wright · Aug 17, 2019

Steps to Jesus

Skawk” · Aug 17, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
You say you really want an answer, but with all the answers you've been given, you still aren't satisfied. Perhaps you're looking for an answer that will make you feel that there is no possibility for you to be lost. Perhaps you are, in fact, waiting for an answer that brings some euphoric feeling which you crave much more than anything actually truthful. It is becoming very difficult for me to understand exactly what it is that you want.

You are venturing dangerously into the territory of selfishness with your obsession as to whether or not you are saved, and I can no longer continue to fuel its fire. I have told you the truth as plainly as I can, and you refuse to simply believe or not believe it. You must make a decision to trust God or not. You will find an endless amount of opinions on the Internet to confuse and unsettle you. I strongly advise against any further searching. It will drive you to despair. There is nothing more I can think of to add to what I have already said about the question you are asking over and over again. You may be sure I will continue to pray for you, Friend.

Hello i know i did not do it 100% i trust god he saved me he payed my sins on the cross! I replied to that guy on quora and he said this “A God you should be afraid of is not such a good God. So if you really want to believe, do so in a dear God, not in one that makes you a small mistake. But you are right, I know nothing about it. I believe in people.” He just said something and he dont even believe in god... i was scared for nothing now i feel joy in my heart it feels fantastic idk where it comes from i think because im happy i did not did do the unforgiveable sin Thank you sir for praying for me I can now continue with god without fear that i commited it.Thank you so much i can thank you 1000 times haha. God bless you my friend that man from Quora was just lying -_-

D.A. Wright · Aug 17, 2019

Kian-vg said:
Hello i know i did not do it 100% i trust god he saved me he payed my sins on the cross! I replied to that guy on quora and he said this “A God you should be afraid of is not such a good God. So if you really want to believe, do so in a dear God, not in one that makes you a small mistake. But you are right, I know nothing about it. I believe in people.” He just said something and he dont even believe in god... i was scared for nothing now i feel joy in my heart it feels fantastic idk where it comes from i think because im happy i did not did do the unforgiveable sin Thank you sir for praying for me I can now continue with god without fear that i commited it.Thank you so much i can thank you 1000 times haha. God bless you my friend that man from Quora was just lying -_-

iLearn · Aug 17, 2019

I think it's wrong to even consider Allah the god of muslims is the same as our true God. Like saying Baal is Jesus which is very wrong and mocking God. But it's also better if we do not mock other religions but respect them because God wants us to love one another.

D.A. Wright · Aug 17, 2019

nolidad said:
What is a THD level Bible study anyway?

At a loss for a technical definition (other than Doctor of Theology), about the best I can do is to provide what might be considered a possible example:

nolidad said:
I guess then I must teach masters level bible studies then.

Again, at a loss. I wouldn't know what you're doing.

nolidad said:
It seems you forget that First Jesus came to offer HImself as Messiah of Israel!

I don't subscribe to any flavor of dispensationalist interpretations of soteriology/atonement (even when appeals are capped by exclamation points). I'm in the "once for all" camp in this respect.

nolidad said:
If the bible was written for the common man- then why do you need to attend THD level bible studies????

I don't. Never said I needed to. Just said that I have. I'm simply a big fan of the Proverbs ch. 2 notion of seeking for wisdom and truth as if it were hidden treasure. I keep my eyes and ears open for teachers who exhibit meekness coupled with galvanized fidelity to the Bible as its own interpreter. At least, I try. I've actually had to change my mind about a few things. Women's ordination and the human nature of Christ come to mind (if you guess which way I went, you're not very likely to be correct, assuming you care one way or another, of course). Sorry. Got off track.

nolidad said:
But we gentile Christians have many gross misunderstandings of what is actually happening in the gospels, simply because we do not understand the Jewish Culture and mindset of Jesus day! Jesus lived and moved and acted in a particular culture. It was very Jewish under subjection to Rome.

I'm not a Gentile. There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, nor Greek. I was raised in a barely devout Southern Baptist home, but the messianic emphasis within a Baptist framework is something new to me.

nolidad said:
I would recommend you read

"Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah" by Dr. Alfred Eddersheim

Read it. Love Edersheim.

nolidad said:
and
"The Life of Jesus from a Hebrew Perspective" by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum (4 volumes)

I figured you were influenced by Fruchtenbaum. I'm not a very fast reader and an overview of his work leaves me uninterested, so...

nolidad said:
We must remember that the writers of teh Gospels were all Jewish and wrote from a Jewish mindset. They were not thinking they were writing Scripture and it would stand for 2 millenia and were given some kind of neutral mindset! We do well to understand how they thought and how they used words.

Every time you say "we must remember," I get confused. Who is "we" and from what authority comes the imperative to "remember" what follows? Is it anything like the 4th commandment which, like no other, begins with the word "Remember" (written with the finger of God, by the way)?

I haven't bothered to look it up, but I can't recall (means I reserve the right to be incorrect) any evidence that any of the authors of Scripture were aware that they were penning Scripture. Not sure what makes that relevant in this case, anyway. The truth is the truth.

nolidad · Aug 18, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
I'm not a Gentile. There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, nor Greek. I was raised in a barely devout Southern Baptist home, but the messianic emphasis within a Baptist framework is something new to me.

Well , I guess you do not know why Paul wrote that. But if you are not Jewish by birth you are still a gentile. I worship in an independent local baptist church. But the Messianic emphasis of Jesus ministry until the leadership blasphemed the Holy Spirit should be quite quite evident. Especially if you read Eddersheim. Also reaching out to Jews, Jesus would have acted and spoke in a very Jewish way!

Every time you say "we must remember," I get confused. Who is "we" and from what authority comes the imperative to "remember" what follows? Is it anything like the 4th commandment which, like no other, begins with the word "Remember" (written with the finger of God, by the way)?

It is the collective we of the body of Christ!

D.A. Wright said:
I haven't bothered to look it up, but I can't recall (means I reserve the right to be incorrect) any evidence that any of the authors of Scripture were aware that they were penning Scripture. Not sure what makes that relevant in this case, anyway. The truth is the truth.

Agreed! but these were Jewish people writing in a Jewish culture with Jewish understanding and Jewish mindsets understanding things in their day! It behooves us to read men like Fruchtenbaum and Eddersheim, so we do not reinterpret the truth of what Scripture is actually saying to us in the gospels.

D.A. Wright said:
I figured you were influenced by Fruchtenbaum. I'm not a very fast reader and an overview of his work leaves me uninterested, so...

That is your loss then. But if you loved Eddersheim you would love Fruchtenbaum. I use him extensively as a text asource in teaching at bible institute!

D.A. Wright said:
I don't subscribe to any flavor of dispensationalist interpretations of soteriology/atonement (even when appeals are capped by exclamation points). I'm in the "once for all" camp in this respect.

Well I am not sure what you mean by "once for all camp" so I cannot comment on that. But the fact that Jesus came first to offer HImself as the prophesied and promised Messiah of Israel is not a dispensationalist thought- it is extremely biblical!

D.A. Wright said:
I don't. Never said I needed to. Just said that I have. I'm simply a big fan of the Proverbs ch. 2 notion of seeking for wisdom and truth as if it were hidden treasure. I keep my eyes and ears open for teachers who exhibit meekness coupled with galvanized fidelity to the Bible as its own interpreter. At least, I try. I've actually had to change my mind about a few things. Women's ordination and the human nature of Christ come to mind (if you guess which way I went, you're not very likely to be correct, assuming you care one way or another, of course). Sorry. Got off track.

Well I agree when it comes to symbolism, parables and visions and dreams and apocalyptic language, the bible is its own interpreter as to what those mean. I do not know if you carry it further than that! The language would suggest you hold to a more allegorical interpretation of scripture as opposed tot he literal, historical , grammatical method of interpretation. which given your subtle disdain for a dispenstional view of Jesus as Jewish Messiah leads me to think you may hold to covenant theology in some measure.

D.A. Wright said:
I haven't bothered to look it up, but I can't recall (means I reserve the right to be incorrect) any evidence that any of the authors of Scripture were aware that they were penning Scripture. Not sure what makes that relevant in this case, anyway. The truth is the truth.

Yes truth is truth. But when we as people long removed from the context of which things were written, then what we call truth- may be skewed by a total misunderstanding of how words were used and the culture they were used in,forgetting past prophecies etc.etc.

I will look at the video either today or tomorrow!

nolidad · Aug 18, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
Is it anything like the 4th commandment which, like no other, begins with the word "Remember" (written with the finger of God, by the way)?

No- for that word actually means to keep and obey. I hope you realize that even though written by the finger of God- its intent was always never to save, it is a ministry of death, and has been fulfilled to the fullest and thus rendered inoperative as clearly said in Galatians and romans.

I use the word remember as we use it today. To not forget or lose the thought of certain facts.

nolidad · Aug 18, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
At a loss for a technical definition (other than Doctor of Theology), about the best I can do is to provide what might be considered a possible example:

Again, at a loss. I wouldn't know what you're doing.

I don't subscribe to any flavor of dispensationalist interpretations of soteriology/atonement (even when appeals are capped by exclamation points). I'm in the "once for all" camp in this respect.

I don't. Never said I needed to. Just said that I have. I'm simply a big fan of the Proverbs ch. 2 notion of seeking for wisdom and truth as if it were hidden treasure. I keep my eyes and ears open for teachers who exhibit meekness coupled with galvanized fidelity to the Bible as its own interpreter. At least, I try. I've actually had to change my mind about a few things. Women's ordination and the human nature of Christ come to mind (if you guess which way I went, you're not very likely to be correct, assuming you care one way or another, of course). Sorry. Got off track.

I'm not a Gentile. There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, nor Greek. I was raised in a barely devout Southern Baptist home, but the messianic emphasis within a Baptist framework is something new to me.

Read it. Love Edersheim.

I figured you were influenced by Fruchtenbaum. I'm not a very fast reader and an overview of his work leaves me uninterested, so...

Every time you say "we must remember," I get confused. Who is "we" and from what authority comes the imperative to "remember" what follows? Is it anything like the 4th commandment which, like no other, begins with the word "Remember" (written with the finger of God, by the way)?

I haven't bothered to look it up, but I can't recall (means I reserve the right to be incorrect) any evidence that any of the authors of Scripture were aware that they were penning Scripture. Not sure what makes that relevant in this case, anyway. The truth is the truth.

Well I watched the video.

I have some serious problems with how he uses terms, but I am not sure if they are more semantical than substantial. I think He places to much value on what He calls systematic theology. He calls them truths when a more accurate definition would be facts.

I am quite positive this guy is a 7th day adventist and that itself poses many problems.

He spends too much time trying to nuance definitions.

D.A. Wright · Aug 18, 2019

nolidad said:
I have some serious problems with how he uses terms, but I am not sure if they are more semantical than substantial. He calls them truths when a more accurate definition would be facts.

Strangely enough (although, being quite familiar with his work, I can--for what it's worth--validate your suspicion of the semantical nature of the problem), this actually nags at me a little, as well. Very insightful of you, by the way.

nolidad said:
I think He places to much value on what He calls systematic theology.

Perhaps, but Systematic Theology is a bona fide, orthodox hermeneutic used throughout Christendom since antiquity (the fall of Rome, basically).

nolidad said:
I am quite positive this guy is a 7th day adventist and that itself poses many problems.

He is, in fact, the Dean of Theology at Loma Linda University. He's a free thinker, to be sure, but he's managed to navigate and thrive in the largely conservative waters of Seventh-day Adventism, somehow. He's not without his critics, even within the church. Surely you've noticed that I'm Adventist, myself. I have some favorite preachers and teachers, I confess, but I usually don't plug them because I believe people should be spared a lot of glowing endorsements of men as opposed to the Word, Itself.

nolidad said:
He spends too much time trying to nuance definitions.

To be fair, he's teaching a post-graduate hermeneutics course here. Nuancing is to be expected, I would think.

D.A. Wright · Aug 18, 2019

nolidad said:
I use him extensively as a text asource in teaching at bible institute!

I suppose it would be untoward of me to ask you for specifics about the "bible institute." I don't need a name or location, but is it a college or university, perhaps regionally accredited, associated with a specific denomination, stuff like that? I can't seem to shake the curiosity. It seems that if you're willing to identify as a teacher that it's reasonable to expect this.

nolidad said:
Well , I guess you do not know why Paul wrote that.

Well, the only explanation I recall was that there seemed to be some bigotry infecting the church(es) in Galatia.

nolidad said:
the Messianic emphasis of Jesus ministry until the leadership blasphemed the Holy Spirit should be quite evident. Especially if you read Eddersheim.

Only if you subscribe to the national nature inherent in the unpardonable sin--which I do not. I don't regard Edersheim as a prophet just because I've read some of his work. I'm funny that way.

nolidad said:
Every time you say "we must remember," I get confused. Who is "we" and from what authority comes the imperative to "remember" what follows? Is it anything like the 4th commandment which, like no other, begins with the word "Remember" (written with the finger of God, by the way)?
It is the collective we of the body of Christ!

So I guess I can consider my question asked and not answered.
How can the authority be "we?'

nolidad said:
It behooves us to read men like Fruchtenbaum and Eddersheim, so we do not reinterpret the truth of what Scripture is actually saying to us in the gospels.

How does excluding two uninspired authors (and like ones(?)) cause a reinterpretation of the Gospels?

nolidad said:
Well I agree when it comes to symbolism, parables and visions and dreams and apocalyptic language, the bible is its own interpreter as to what those mean. I do not know if you carry it further than that!

Only this far:

Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. (Job 23:12)
Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. (Jeremiah 33:3)
For precept must be on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:10)
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (1 Corinthians 2:13)
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Timothy 4:3)

nolidad said:
The language would suggest you hold to a more allegorical interpretation of scripture as opposed tot he literal, historical , grammatical method of interpretation. which given your subtle disdain for a dispenstional view of Jesus as Jewish Messiah leads me to think you may hold to covenant theology in some measure.

I hold quite firmly to the historical-grammatical method, but I do not confine myself to proof-texting. Living by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God would, of necessity, preclude that. My disdain for dispensationalism arises from its logical conclusion that God has two different ways of saving people (which I have witnessed, personally).

nolidad said:
Yes truth is truth. But when we as people long removed from the context of which things were written, then what we call truth- may be skewed by a total misunderstanding of how words were used and the culture they were used in,forgetting past prophecies etc.etc.

So the common man is hopeless to understand the scriptures. Got it.

nolidad said:
No- for that word actually means to keep and obey.

The Hebrew word literally means to recall, or bring to mind. Keeping and obeying are completely unrelated. That comes two words later in the sentence. What happened to the need to understand Jewish expression?

nolidad said:
it is a ministry of death

Is that what this means:
Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. (Romans 7:12)

Finally,
My understanding of covenants is as simple as A-B-C: There is only one covenant that has ever or will ever work:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
(Jeremiah 31:33-34)

All others are doomed to fail.

nolidad · Aug 19, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
I suppose it would be untoward of me to ask you for specifics about the "bible institute." I don't need a name or location, but is it a college or university, perhaps regionally accredited, associated with a specific denomination, stuff like that? I can't seem to shake the curiosity. It seems that if you're willing to identify as a teacher that it's reasonable to expect this.

Well it is an institute. We do not offer a 4 year degree, we offer a 2 year degree and the courses are transferrable to many Baptist Colleges and Universities. I helped design it over several years and the purpose was to instruct and disciple people to do the work of the Ministry.

D.A. Wright said:
Well, the only explanation I recall was that there seemed to be some bigotry infecting the church(es) in Galatia.

that would be incorrect. It was Jewish believers who were going behind Paul and trying to get teh Gentiles to conform to the Mosaic Laws (including the ten in stone)

D.A. Wright said:
Only if you subscribe to the national nature inherent in the unpardonable sin--which I do not. I don't regard Edersheim as a prophet just because I've read some of his work. I'm funny that way.

Neither do I! I do consider them both invaluable teachers however. Eddersheim wrote the life and times to answewr the heresy borne out of the newly established European Schools of higher biblical criticism.

As for teh national nature of the sin- it does take study. All Scripture is inspired equally, but not all Scripture is applicable equally. Given the nature of Jesus' ministry, the change that occurred after that encounter (the pharisees had a three step process of examining people like John the Baptist and Jesus and the false prophets that arose often). Even the guy on the video you posted stressed we need to understand the times and culture to know what the writer was saying!

D.A. Wright said:
How does excluding two uninspired authors (and like ones(?)) cause a reinterpretation of the Gospels?

Well things like why was the healing of the man born blind, the rising of Lazarus, the casting of the demon from a deaf man, and the healing of Jewish lepers given a big deal in Scripture.

Why did the pharisees act differently from the beginning and the end of Jesus' ministry? Knowing cultural and Jewish background, give us greater insight into many many events of the gospels we who are gentiles do not readily know!

Mark 1:22
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.

Why did they say this about Jesus?

nolidad · Aug 19, 2019

D.A. Wright said:
Is that what this means:
Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. (Romans 7:12)

Not in the least. What Paul said is correct! and what He said below is also crrect!

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
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2 Corinthians 3:8
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
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2 Corinthians 3:9
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The law was never designed to save a soul! It was designed to drive Israel to jesus!

D.A. Wright said:
Finally,
My understanding of covenants is as simple as A-B-C: There is only one covenant that has ever or will ever work:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
(Jeremiah 31:33-34)
All others are doomed to fail.

So gentiles are screwed then? It is the people of Israel that the new covenant is made with!

D.A. Wright said:
I hold quite firmly to the historical-grammatical method, but I do not confine myself to proof-texting. Living by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God would, of necessity, preclude that. My disdain for dispensationalism arises from its logical conclusion that God has two different ways of saving people (which I have witnessed, personally).

Well that is not any dispensationalism I know of! Chafer, Walvoord, Vine, Pentecost, Fruchtenbaum (the biggest and most popular names in dispensationalism) teach what the Bible says- there has always been only one way people have been saved- By grace, through, faith. All salvation is based on teh blood of Jesus, but the object of faith that saved has been different in the different dispensations that God governed man with. Adam, Moses and Jeremiah did not trust in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus as the atonement of their sin. I am sure there are many people out there who teach some real whacky stuff. I just watched a video on you tibe from a THD on what the trump of God means and He was as whacky as bugs bunnyt!

D.A. Wright said:
Only this far:

Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. (Job 23:12)
Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. (Jeremiah 33:3)
For precept must be on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:10)
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (1 Corinthians 2:13)
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Timothy 4:3)

As I hold to these also- very strongly! But let me ask you , how do you test what the Spirit is saying to see if it is actually the voice of God.

Many claim to hear from God but I am sure you know they heard from someone else.

I also build doctrine line by line- but I also keep verses in their context and subject to avoid using a verse that speaqks of rewards as a verse that some wrongly use to say one can lose their salvation.

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