What about the Ebionites?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 18, 2019

What are others views on this Christian Jewish group and their views on the Bible.

https://www.google.com/search?clien...hUKEwjRkbC_so3kAhUMPK0KHeruAzAQ4dUDCAc&uact=5

The Ebionite Home Page

The Ebionites are the Original And Genuine People of the New Covenant

Unless you are an Ebionite
(A Poor One To The Way Of This World)
You Cannot be a Disciple of Yeshua/Jesus

The greatest error of the Gentile-Church which portrayed itself as Orthodox, was made when they attached their religion to the Old Testament of the Jews -- portraying the Jews as the forerunner of the Church. Why did the Church do this? To provide the Church with a false and counterfeit facade of authenticity -- but what is known as Replacement Theology has been one of the primary causes of the demise of Christianity.

The Gospel account of Jesus portrays the Jews as the offspring of the Devil -- i.e., "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it" (John 8:43-44 NKJ). The Chosen People are representative of Spiritual Israel -- where as the Jews as personified in the Pharisees and Sadducees were representative of counterfeit Israel -- i.e., the offspring of the Devil. The authors of the Gospels were representative of Spiritual Israel, who were the people of the New Covenant. The Jews were the carnal impostors who were shackled by the Old Covenant and the literal Law of Moses. When the Gospel account of Jesus spoke of fulfilling the tenets of the Old Testament, he was referring to the fact that the Old Testament is an allegorical portrayal of the Laws that must be fulfilled within the seeker/disciples own mind and being in order for the lost prodigal sons to be restored to the Edenic Kingdom of origination. All reference to a coming Anointed One (Messiah/Christ), portray the Anointing of the Mind of the Seeker/Disciple who fulfills the (allegorical) Law within themselves.

An Ebionite Is Not A Sect Or Group

But Rather, A Spiritual Condition

A State Of Body And Mind

That Permits Entrance Into
The Kingdom Within

Yeshua/Jesus Came To Call Those Who Would Follow In TheWay
But Few Are Willing To Make The Journey

Give Me Ten Minutes Of Your Time
And I Will Demonstrate That
The Doctrines Of The Church Are Counterfeit
And Are In Opposition
To The Teachings Of Yeshua And TheWay

Presbyterian Continuist · Aug 18, 2019

Looks like another heresy to me.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 18, 2019

Oscarr said:
Looks like another heresy to me.

It appears to a more radical form of Messianic Judaism?

The Lie Of Judaism: That Yeshua/Jesus was not the Messiah!

The Lie Of Christianity: That Yeshua/Jesus was God Incarnate!

The Lie Of Islam: That Yeshua/Jesus Said Another Was Yet To Come

The inner spiritual core of Judaism totally believes in Yeshua and his teachings -- and they see him as having ushered in a New Messianic Age of the Final Temple which is Spiritual and Living.
The conflict between the three religions, as well as world peace, cannot be achieved because of The Three Lies.
That the spiritual core of Judaism believes that the historical Yeshua as a Messiah -- and ushered in the Final Temple -- cannot be acknowledged because of the paganism of Christianity and the idolatry of the Church in the worship of Jesus as God in accord with the doctrines of the Emperor Constantine.
Moreover, this same idolatry not only was instrumental in the creation of Islam, but is the very reason why Muslims view Christians as worshiping a false god. Yet, because Islam itself has become corrupted, the flaw that each sees in the other, is as the beam that is blinding the vision of each of the three. Click the above The Three Lies graphic to access the article and learn the Truth for yourself.
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bèlla · Aug 18, 2019

If Jews were carnal imposters that would make ADONAI a liar. For it is written:

“For your Maker is your husband— the LORD Almighty is his name— the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.” —Isaiah 54:5

When you can produce 66 books of holy writ that don’t rely on Jewish experience, prophets, or teachings we can talk.

When you craft a faith from the soil wholly new without a graft or utterance by any Jew. Let me know.

When you can bring forth a Gentile Messiah who can replace the Jewish one you serve. Message me.

Until you are capable of doing these things and securing the blessing and protection of The Holy One; you have nothing.

Erik Nelson · Jan 25, 2020

According to Bart Ehrman's Lost Christianities, the Ebionites were apparently the "Judaizers" who opposed Paul (Galatians 2) and lost the debate at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15)

Eventually, after the martyrdom of James (whom they revered) and the destruction of Jerusalem, they schismed away as their own sect

Der Alte · Jan 25, 2020

Erik Nelson said:
According to Bart Ehrman's Lost Christianities, the Ebionites were apparently the "Judaizers" who opposed Paul (Galatians 2) and lost the debate at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15)
Eventually, after the martyrdom of James (whom they revered) and the destruction of Jerusalem, they schismed away as their own sect

Not sure I would rely on Bart Ehrman for accurate information about Christians/Christianity.
From his blog.

Agnostic or Atheist?
I apparently threw a few people for a loop yesterday when I referred to myself as an atheist. Several readers responded, wanting to know if I had changed my views, since I have publicly stated that I am an agnostic.
I posted on this issue a while back – possibly a long while back – but since I don’t expect everyone to read everything I’ve ever written on this blog (!), I thought maybe I should explain my views again. So – apologies to those of you who have heard this before.
When I became an agnostic – 17 or 18 years ago? I’m not even sure any more – I thought that “agnosticism” and “atheism” were two *degrees* of basically the same thing. My sense is that this is what most people think. According to this idea, an agnostic is someone who says that s/he does not *know* whether God exists, and an atheist is someone who makes a definitive statement that God does *not* exist. Agnostics don’t know and atheists are sure.
https://ehrmanblog.org/agnostic-or-atheist-for-members/

Erik Nelson · Jan 25, 2020

Der Alter said:
Not sure I would rely on Bart Ehrman for accurate information about Christians/Christianity.
From his blog.

Agnostic or Atheist?
I apparently threw a few people for a loop yesterday when I referred to myself as an atheist. Several readers responded, wanting to know if I had changed my views, since I have publicly stated that I am an agnostic.
I posted on this issue a while back – possibly a long while back – but since I don’t expect everyone to read everything I’ve ever written on this blog (!), I thought maybe I should explain my views again. So – apologies to those of you who have heard this before.
When I became an agnostic – 17 or 18 years ago? I’m not even sure any more – I thought that “agnosticism” and “atheism” were two *degrees* of basically the same thing. My sense is that this is what most people think. According to this idea, an agnostic is someone who says that s/he does not *know* whether God exists, and an atheist is someone who makes a definitive statement that God does *not* exist. Agnostics don’t know and atheists are sure.
Agnostic or Atheist? | The Bart Ehrman Blog

He's a good scholar, didn't say he was a good theologian

His conclusions about history can be valid, even if his Religious interpretations of history aren't

the "losers" of Acts 15 ---> Ebionites

1213 · Jan 26, 2020

LittleLambofJesus said:
...The greatest error of the Gentile-Church which portrayed itself as Orthodox, was made when they attached their religion to the Old Testament of the Jews -- portraying the Jews as the forerunner of the Church. ..

I think that is wrong and non-Biblical idea. Jews or Israel are not generally wrong, only some of their leaders have been wrong. The teachings and Law they have from God, are still good and right. And in Biblical point of view Christians, if it means disciples of Jesus, are also Jews:

But we know that the law is good, if a man uses it lawfully,
1 Tim. 1:8

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them, and became partaker with them of the root and of the richness of the olive tree; don't boast over the branches. But if you boast, it is not you who support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in." True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don't be conceited, but fear; for if God didn't spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
Romans 11:17-21

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.
Romans 2:28-29

Erik Nelson · Jan 26, 2020

1213 said:
only some of their leaders have been wrong

Adam didn't sin, only Eve?

Erik Nelson · Jan 26, 2020

Bart Ehrman's Great Courses -- early Christian controversies:

It’s important to stress that the Jewish people did not reject Jesus. Most of the Jewish people at the time had never even heard of Jesus; even most of the Jewish people in Jerusalem [from the Diaspora beyond Judea] had not heard of him before he came to Jerusalem for the Passover feast. Many of those who did hear of him were attracted to his message, which was, as we’ve seen, thoroughly apocalyptic.

It was only a small group—possibly a handful—of Jewish leaders who found Jesus dangerous and handed him over to Pilate. They did not represent the views of all the Jewish people at the time, let alone Jews throughout all of history.

In the very next lecture, however, Ehrman does remember the large "crowds" which (as shills of the Highest Priests?) did demand the Crucifixion (Matthew 27:25)

1213 · Jan 27, 2020

Erik Nelson said:
Adam didn't sin, only Eve?

Adam also rejected God, so I think he did sin.

JSRG · Jan 27, 2020

I can't remember the exact number, but I once saw someone say something along the lines of "don't take anyone seriously if they use 4 or more different colors of text on a web page." While not absolute, it's a good rule of thumb. That site goes beyond that number.

Something important should be noted on that site, though. The author, Allan Cronshaw, claims he is the reincarnation of James the Just. I am not joking. He states this towards the end of the front page:

"2000 years ago I lived as Jacob who many all James, and I was known as the Brother of Yeshua and the first leader of the New Covenant movement of TheWay which is today known as Christianity. I was sent back into the world to restore the teachings of my brother Yeshua to their original spiritual essence, and to guide you in TheWay that is "narrow" so you will be able to open the "strait gate" within you and enter the Kingdom that Yeshua declared must be attained through the second birth."

That is probably all anyone really needs to know to decide whether the site is credible or not.

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