Black teens fundraising for their high school football team held at gunpoint by white woman

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I like how you immediately went for "they should have stayed in their part of the town".
Nice try. LOL You have an enormous immigrant problem in Germany. Would you send your Kinder into their neighborhoods, soliciting money? It is not much different here with the division both Parties keep pushing between Blacks and Whites.
 
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You mean they dare report on the poor woman who pulled a gun on some kids selling stuff for school exposing her racism?

It's so bad that you have to rush online to apologize for her racist actions as only natural given the state of the media she watched?

Yeah, sounds like we have a real "liberal media" problem here.
We actually do. And it is getting worse by the day.
 
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We actually do. And it is getting worse by the day.

It seems like you simply don't like people being called out on their actions.

This woman was arrested for her inappropriate actions. I think it's a good object lesson in people needing to seek other ways to deal with their inappropriate fear of black people file.

Your assessment that the soliciting is simply not done is also incorrect.
https://www.theroot.com/fundraisingwhileblack-white-woman-pulls-gun-on-black-1837299126

Her neighbors stated that it’s perfectly normal for students to go door to door raising money for their various extracurricular activities during this time of year and have done so for decades without staring down the barrel of a gun.

The reaction of this particular woman was inappropriate, stupid, wrong, and very uncommon. The idea that we have to be so paranoid because of the TV that we would literally pull a gun on some teenagers as they solicit for school activities is also ridiculous.

Again, she has the option here of simply not answering her door. It's what rational human beings have done for millennia to solve the "people I don't know are at my door" problem.
 
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I will repeat the obvious. Turn on your TV, and try to honestly report what you see fed to you nightly. It is largely Black violence. And anyone being honest would admit that.

The issue is many layered. I was reared with a clear understanding of my person as a lady and woman of color. I was well-versed in our history and the numerous contributions people of color have made to society.

However, I was never embedded with the notion of struggle, oppression, or permitted to operate outside the confines of my deportment. The realities of my hue were immaterial. My stance must never waver. Irrespective of others. I must remain true to the principles shown.

I was never taught survival. I was given the tools to strive and expected to use them to the fullest. Bias was no excuse for the absence of excellence. My parents were reared in the south. They’ve seen a lot. Color wasn’t the topic de jour in my home or with extended relatives. Our discourse was educational and uplifting. We were groomed to lead.

Their shaping created a solid foundation and armor. There’s nothing you can tell me that makes me feel less-than. There’s nothing you can do to strip away my gifts and talents. I have no capacity to quit.

I learned to play offense against my environment at a young age. I suspect that’s why they emphasized manners and class so heavily. Not solely because it was proper but also the realities of the conditions of the day. They understood the barriers weren’t wholly racial.
 
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It seems like you simply don't like people being called out on their actions.

This woman was arrested for her inappropriate actions. I think it's a good object lesson in people needing to seek other ways to deal with their inappropriate fear of black people file.

Your assessment that the soliciting is simply not done is also incorrect.
https://www.theroot.com/fundraisingwhileblack-white-woman-pulls-gun-on-black-1837299126



The reaction of this particular woman was inappropriate, stupid, wrong, and very uncommon. The idea that we have to be so paranoid because of the TV that we would literally pull a gun on some teenagers as they solicit for school activities is also ridiculous.

Again, she has the option here of simply not answering her door. It's what rational human beings have done for millennia to solve the "people I don't know are at my door" problem.
No one has defended her erratic actions... I have merely explained how she likely got so fearful and reactive.

I am not defending the actions of any individuals, Black or White. I am simply saying we (both Whites and Blacks) are being "played" by the political powers that keep driving a wedge between us.
 
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No one has defended her erratic actions... I have merely explained how she likely got so fearful and reactive.

I am not defending the actions of any individuals, Black or White. I am simply saying we (both Whites and Blacks) are being "played" by the political powers that keep driving a wedge between us.

Well the point here is that there are reasonable things we can do and expect of people to lessen this sort of thing.

Sadly the school is reviewing their policy of community involvement in school activities because of the threat to children from the community.

I think the lesson is best learned that, hey, maybe don't answer your door if you're already fearful enough to have taken the precautionary step of arming yourself.
 
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Nice try. LOL You have an enormous immigrant problem in Germany. Would you send your Kinder into their neighborhoods, soliciting money?
Not really pertinent to the issue discussed in this thread, so I'm not going to chase this red hering.
 
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I think I said, "honestly." Yes, the liberal news media is almost exclusively responsible for propagating Al and Jessie's race dividing propoganda. It sells! And it makes the "leaders" money.

Undoubtedly, this didn't happen in a Black neighborhood. Why were they in that neighborhood instead of where they play ball, and would have been better received?

Their rhetoric is divisive...I'll give you that.

However, it's equally divisive when this sort of "conservative tribalism" kicks in where people are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to justify actions like pointing a gun at school kids for door-to-door fundraising efforts.

The fact that we still have people who claim to feel sincerely threatened by "someone who doesn't look like me walking around in my neighborhood" actually plays more into validating the notion that racism is still a real issue in the US today. "Liberal Media" reporting on it has absolutely no bearing on the act itself. There is absolutely no way to honestly report that incident without the lady being in the wrong for her actions.

As to your other comment...that's an absolutely nonsensical attempt as a justification. I think you know better... Promoting the idea that "black people should just stay in their own neighborhood if they don't want white people to get scared and point guns at them" is basically only a few short steps away from promoting segregation.
 
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I like how you immediately went for "they should have stayed in their part of the town".

I did exactly that as a building manager for 16 units.
People who do not live there need escorts.

Milwaukee, WI 53206
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I did exactly that as a building manager for 16 units.
People who do not live there need escorts.

Milwaukee, WI 53206
At this address
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I don't think such a rule existed in this case, so I'm not sure why you bring it up.
 
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I did exactly that as a building manager for 16 units.
People who do not live there need escorts.

Milwaukee, WI 53206
At this address
Google Maps
I appreciate honesty like this, instead of people acting as though they are "righteously" blind to everything going on in the world around them.
 
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Their rhetoric is divisive...I'll give you that.

However, it's equally divisive when this sort of "conservative tribalism" kicks in where people are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to justify actions like pointing a gun at school kids for door-to-door fundraising efforts.

The fact that we still have people who claim to feel sincerely threatened by "someone who doesn't look like me walking around in my neighborhood" actually plays more into validating the notion that racism is still a real issue in the US today. "Liberal Media" reporting on it has absolutely no bearing on the act itself. There is absolutely no way to honestly report that incident without the lady being in the wrong for her actions.

As to your other comment...that's an absolutely nonsensical attempt as a justification. I think you know better... Promoting the idea that "black people should just stay in their own neighborhood if they don't want white people to get scared and point guns at them" is basically only a few short steps away from promoting segregation.
Explain the point of leaving your own neighborhood to go somewhere else to try and get donations. It happens here at Halloween. I've watched whole vans of Black kids being let off in White neighborhoods they have never even set foot in before because they think the Trick-or-Treating will be more lucrative there.
 
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I wouldn’t open the door to four men and I’m a woman of color. I don’t answer for strangers of any hue. Entering someone’s private space seeking handouts is not a good practice.

They could have approached a grocer and asked to setup a table outside the store. They’d have more foot traffic and less hardship.

I’ve seen young kids offering cold beverages during the summer for similar reasons. They find a shaded spot and approach passersby. This is a safer approach for everyone involved.
 
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I wouldn’t open the door to four men and I’m a woman of color. I don’t answer for strangers of any hue. Entering someone’s private space seeking handouts is not a good practice.
I'd say that is your good right, and I'd propably do things in a similiar way. And if this woman had just done such a thing instead of pulling a gun on them, this story would never have reached our eyes.
 
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We may be able to overcome a degree of "Racism", as we should..... But, that will never erase prejudices — many of which have shown-up in this thread from both sides of the street — because that is a mental assessment and decision absorbed by what we actually do experience in our everyday lives.

If you are treated badly by 80% of the White people you encounter, that DOES NOT mean all White people are bad. However, (again, if you are being honest), you know you will expect the next White person you meet to be "just like the rest of them"..... even though you understand that is pretty irrational thinking.
 
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I'd say that is your good right, and I'd propably do things in a similiar way. And if this woman had just done such a thing instead of pulling a gun on them, this story would never have reached our eyes.
Does it have to be said yet again? No one is saying this lady did right. We, or at least "I", am just saying I can fully understand ANYONE, Black or White, reacting that way if the televised programing propaganda has effected them to that extent.
 
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Does it have to be said yet again? No one is saying this lady did right. We, or at least "I", am just saying I can fully understand ANYONE, Black or White, reacting that way if the televised programing propaganda has effected them to that extent.
I think it's just you who's saying that.

Or at least, just a minority.
 
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I'd say that is your good right, and I'd propably do things in a similiar way. And if this woman had just done such a thing instead of pulling a gun on them, this story would never have reached our eyes.

It would have been better to avoid answering the door. In light of the unrest in our society and its ills, I wouldn’t permit my child to go door-to-door without a chaperone.
 
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