RAPTURE!! OR LEFT BEHIND????
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WHOM do you BELIEVE takes THE MARK OF THE BEAST???? such A MARK IS FORCED upon HUMANITY during THE REIGN of the ANTICHRIST. the BIBLE tells us THE 144,000 THE ELECT will go THROUGH the great tribulation AS THEY ARE SEALED so that NO HARM WILL COME TO THEM during TRIBULATION when THE ANTICHRIST rules this earth at HIS APPOINTED TIME.
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The saints of Christ are alive on the earth when the Dragon and the beast are revealed, and many of them are killed. (If he can catch them), as they refuse to worship him. Some though go into captivity.
Revelation 13 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Beast from the Sea
13 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.
4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to ]continue for forty-two months.
6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
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there will be MILLIONS SAVED during the tribulation because THEY REFUSED to take the mark of the beast and THOSE CAPTURED will be put to death because of it. there will also be MILLIONS that will still be ALIVE and still have the mark of the beast inside them DURING THE THOUSAND YEAR REIGN of Jesus Christ.
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The truth is some believers will survive the beast's kingdom. And will witness the return of Christ in their bodies on this earth.
1 Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
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1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
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No, anyone who receives that mark is doomed, and will not participate in the thousand year reign of Christ. They are tortured in Hell.
Revelation 14:8-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon[a] is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
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taken
3880
3880 paralambano {par-al-am-ban'-o}
from 3844 and 2983; TDNT - 4:11,495; v
AV - take 30, receive 15, take unto 2, take up 2, take away 1; 50
1) to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self
1a) an associate, a companion
1b) metaph.
1b1) to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be
1b2) not to reject, not to withhold obedience
2) to receive something transmitted
2a) an office to be discharged
2b) to receive with the mind
2b1) by oral transmission: of the authors from whom the
tradition proceeds
2b2) by the narrating to others, by instruction of teachers
(used of disciples)
"to take with one's self"
"to join to one's self"
"an associate"
"a companion"
"not to reject"
left
863
863 aphiemi {af-ee'-ay-mee}
from 575 and hiemi (to send, an intens. form of eimi, to go);
TDNT - 1:509,88; v
AV - leave 52, forgive 47, suffer 14, let 8, forsake 6, let alone 6,
misc 13; 146
1) to send away
1a) to bid going away or depart
1a1) of a husband divorcing his wife
1b) to send forth, yield up, to expire
1c) to let go, let alone, let be
1c1) to disregard
1c2) to leave, not to discuss now, (a topic)
1c21) of teachers, writers and speakers
1c3) to omit, neglect
1d) to let go, give up a debt, forgive, to remit
1e) to give up, keep no longer
2) to permit, allow, not to hinder, to give up a thing to a person
3) to leave, go way from one
3a) in order to go to another place
3b) to depart from any one
3c) to depart from one and leave him to himself so that all
mutual claims are abandoned
3d) to desert wrongfully
3e) to go away leaving something behind
3f) to leave one by not taking him as a companion
3g) to leave on dying, leave behind one
3h) to leave so that what is left may remain, leave remaining
3i) abandon, leave destitute
"to send away"
"of a husband divorcing his wife"
"to expire"
"to disregard"
"neglect"
"keep no longer"
"to leave on dying"
"leave behind one"
"abandon, leave destitute"
That's the complete opposite as being "taken" and is very negative. Do you
want to be rejected at the return of Christ or do you want to be accepted?
Christ takes the first one from the field and the rest is "left" by him, and
are "kept no longer".
3880
3880 paralambano {par-al-am-ban'-o}
from 3844 and 2983; TDNT - 4:11,495; v
AV - take 30, receive 15, take unto 2, take up 2, take away 1; 50
1) to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self
1a) an associate, a companion
1b) metaph.
1b1) to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be
1b2) not to reject, not to withhold obedience
2) to receive something transmitted
2a) an office to be discharged
2b) to receive with the mind
2b1) by oral transmission: of the authors from whom the
tradition proceeds
2b2) by the narrating to others, by instruction of teachers
(used of disciples)
"to take with one's self"
"to join to one's self"
"an associate"
"a companion"
"not to reject"
left
863
863 aphiemi {af-ee'-ay-mee}
from 575 and hiemi (to send, an intens. form of eimi, to go);
TDNT - 1:509,88; v
AV - leave 52, forgive 47, suffer 14, let 8, forsake 6, let alone 6,
misc 13; 146
1) to send away
1a) to bid going away or depart
1a1) of a husband divorcing his wife
1b) to send forth, yield up, to expire
1c) to let go, let alone, let be
1c1) to disregard
1c2) to leave, not to discuss now, (a topic)
1c21) of teachers, writers and speakers
1c3) to omit, neglect
1d) to let go, give up a debt, forgive, to remit
1e) to give up, keep no longer
2) to permit, allow, not to hinder, to give up a thing to a person
3) to leave, go way from one
3a) in order to go to another place
3b) to depart from any one
3c) to depart from one and leave him to himself so that all
mutual claims are abandoned
3d) to desert wrongfully
3e) to go away leaving something behind
3f) to leave one by not taking him as a companion
3g) to leave on dying, leave behind one
3h) to leave so that what is left may remain, leave remaining
3i) abandon, leave destitute
"to send away"
"of a husband divorcing his wife"
"to expire"
"to disregard"
"neglect"
"keep no longer"
"to leave on dying"
"leave behind one"
"abandon, leave destitute"
That's the complete opposite as being "taken" and is very negative. Do you
want to be rejected at the return of Christ or do you want to be accepted?
Christ takes the first one from the field and the rest is "left" by him, and
are "kept no longer".
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They are sealed--and go through the tribulation. They are not whisked away from the tribulation. Both sides are marked---those that follow the beast, and those that follow God.
Rev_7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
The mark of the beast is on both the hand and the forhead---God's seal only on the forhead. The forehead is the sign of the mind. the hand is the sign of action. The beast's mark is both, those that believe in what the beast says, and those that though they may not believe, still do as he says. God's seal is only on the forehead--the mind---it is for those that truly believe in God word.
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Taken to where the vultures are.
Does that sound like a GOOD 'TAKEN' ?
Does that sound like a GOOD 'TAKEN' ?
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And the number of the beast is a human number of man, the people of that time, there will be no confusion or wondering what the mark is, everyone who receives the mark knows full well what it is.
Today we speculate on how this number will function in their economy, but in that time God will give His people the wisdom to understand. No one will be marked without them knowing what is happening.
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
The mark means ownership, those people marked give themselves over to worship and fully participate in the kingdom of the beast.
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THE BRIDE IS NOT THE CHURCH or ALL BELIEVERS only THOSE waiting and WATCHING for HIS RETURN. not ALL christians are WAITING and WATCHING for HIS RETURN. where is THE WEDDING of THE BRIDE to the GROOM???? in HEAVEN OR EARTH????
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Punishments of the wicked is after the 1000 yea reign. When Jesus comes, it is before the 1000 years and He comes only for the saved. Judgment has already been made. Jesus has decided who is lost and who is saved. The living wicked are destroyed at His coming, the rest of the dead stay dead.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
After the 1000 years is the judgement of the wicked--their punishment is decided---their fate has alreasdy been decided.
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I AGREE the NUMBER or MARK OF THE BEAST will be RECEIVED by those WHOS NAMES are NOT WRITTEN in the lambs book of life.
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NO, He kills all that do not know God and who do not obey the gospel when He RETURNS at the second coming. None of the wicked are left alive.
1 Thess 1
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
If you read this, you will see there is no delayed judgement against them.
They go to hell after they are killed, to await the great white throne judgement of God, after the millennial reign..and eventually the lake of fire.
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Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Mark, name, number. Any of them. And it is all about worship.
Rev_13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev_13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev_14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev_14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
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IF the LIVING WICKED are DESTROYED at Jesus Christs REIGN, then WHY IS SATAN LET LOOSE AFTER that THOUSAND YEAR REIGN OF Jesus Christ???? WHOM ARE THEY that Jesus Christ DESTROYS at the BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON???????
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Good question. People are born during that time on the earth, and after the thousand year reign, Satan is released to deceive the nations again, then comes the end.
It is not until the new heavens and earth that God and man actually dwell together in the new Jerusalem on the new earth. During the millennial reign we reign with Christ on the earth, but it is possible He delegates that authority to His people to rule in His name while He remains in heaven.
For example
Luke 19:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’
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