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Why don't angels need salvation?
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The good ones (are Holy Elect angels) know God and dont sin, and remained His servants. The other ones even though they knew God followed Satan and fell, or left their first and proper estate and sinned against God and men. They also corrupted the pre flood world in an attempt to prevent the coming Messiah.
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Matthew 25:31
[ The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations ] “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
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Mark 8:38
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
Yes angels are Holy if they are His angels and do not need a savior to deliver them from their sins.
[ The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations ] “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
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Mark 8:38
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”
Yes angels are Holy if they are His angels and do not need a savior to deliver them from their sins.
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1 Timothy 5:21
I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.
Even of angels some are Elect, meaning they remained with God and Christ and did not fall away as the others did. That they are 'elect' shows their was an 'election', as in God chose them too who are elect, for the word means chosen of God. (to have an eternal life)
The fallen angels are going to the second death , will perish or say not have eternal life in the lake of fire at the end. All their power is stripped away from them, and they become just like any man who goes to that place of eternal destruction.
I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.
Even of angels some are Elect, meaning they remained with God and Christ and did not fall away as the others did. That they are 'elect' shows their was an 'election', as in God chose them too who are elect, for the word means chosen of God. (to have an eternal life)
The fallen angels are going to the second death , will perish or say not have eternal life in the lake of fire at the end. All their power is stripped away from them, and they become just like any man who goes to that place of eternal destruction.
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Sure Hebrews 2 say that Christ does not give aid to angels, which means He does not save them.
Christ saves His people from their sins, and angels are not people.
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.
17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
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Only indirectly.
“Then [Jesus] will also say to [the goats] on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:...'" Matthew 25:41 NKJV
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To preface my addition to the topic let me state what we all are aware of but for the sake of sanity, I am compelled to state the obvious: If something is not in Scripture then speculation is okay but doctrine should never be formed off of any of man's fallible ideas nor extra-biblical writings.
Something I was taught that the angels cannot be saved because we never see an angel repent in Scripture (like David stated), indicating that angels do not want to repent or are unable to because God hardened them. The second point is that the angels were made in a higher state, witnessed creation & personally interacted with God on a level we cannot understand this side of eternity; therefore, the severity of a rebellion against God is immensely understated. With my last point I would like to loop back to my first in that how grievous the rebellion was, the fallen angels likely would not want to repent.
Something I was taught that the angels cannot be saved because we never see an angel repent in Scripture (like David stated), indicating that angels do not want to repent or are unable to because God hardened them. The second point is that the angels were made in a higher state, witnessed creation & personally interacted with God on a level we cannot understand this side of eternity; therefore, the severity of a rebellion against God is immensely understated. With my last point I would like to loop back to my first in that how grievous the rebellion was, the fallen angels likely would not want to repent.
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Obviously if scripture says He does not give aid to angels, then for them there is no salvation possible or need to be saved (if they are the holy angels) HE did not die for angels to be reconciled to the Father God. Which means for them their is no forgiveness when they sinned.
Holy Elect Angels need no saving from sin they never committed.
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I agree, my point is that we never see any fallen angel desire to be restored which, I feel, is important when this topic is brought up to ensure people do not see God in some kind of evil way where a fallen angel is at the feet of Jesus begging, pleading & repenting to be saved & Jesus says no. Some people may have that conception in their head which is why I like to address it the way I had. Thank you for your reply & addition!
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Angels do not procreate, so unlike man where all Adams's descendants have inherited the consequences of Adam's sin, since we all come from his flesh ultimately, angels are independent creations of God. Thus if one angel falls, it has no impact on any other angels since no angel takes its nature from another angel, so the angels who did not side with Satan have no need for redemption.
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They didn't sin , there is no sacrifice for them also so if they do there is no help . Moreover they don't live by faith they can be in presence of God .
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They aren't in danger of dying. It's like asking why people standing on a beach don't need to be saved from drowning.
Luk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Angels don't need salvation or resurrection...they aren't sinful mortals as humans are.
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I like how C.S. Lewis addressed this issue through fiction in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. I don't have the book handy and so I cannot give the exact quote, but roughly speaking, someone asked Coriakin - a star who was cast out of the sky and given a punishment to govern a stubborn group of Dwarfs - what sins a star could possibly commit. His response was that it was not for us to know.
That is my take on how sin works with angels. God revealed our salvation to us, and how He deals with angels is not our business.
That is my take on how sin works with angels. God revealed our salvation to us, and how He deals with angels is not our business.
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