Some Details: China Hacked Hillary Clinton's Private E-mail Server

AirPo · Aug 31, 2018

theQuincunx5 said:
Yes and likely you are going to mistakenly assume it is me simply "insulting you", when indeed, as it is used in terms of rhetoric is simply the expedient of basing one's argument on the person rather than the content.

Perhaps if I had said "Oh you can't believe what Foxfyre said because they are a person with red hair!" rather than arguing against the factual POINTS you had raised, that would be an ad hominem.

That is different from merely insulting someone. But it's common enough among folks who simply want to sound impressive. Especially when in a snit.

If I had undertaken a non sequitur it would require that my points did not follow from your points (hence the Latin meaning). But indeed, as I noted in my posts, my points were predicated off of your points directly. The fact that you didn't like them or didn't want them doesn't mean they did not follow from your posts.

By all means do feel free to discuss any of this, but I suspect a this point I will be wished another "good day" so that you are not bothered.

Good day!

Foxfyre's hair is more orange than red.

NightHawkeye · Aug 31, 2018

super animator said:
He's not attacking you.

Now that raises an interesting question.

Upon further review ... Yep, clearly an ad hom.

Hopefully, we can get back on-topic now.

theQuincunx5 · Aug 31, 2018

NightHawkeye said:
Now that raises an interesting question.

Upon further review ... Yep, clearly an ad hom.

Hopefully, we can get back on-topic now.

Reading is fundamental.

whatbogsends · Aug 31, 2018

NightHawkeye said:
Thanks for your opinion.

And, yet, here we are, 3 pages into the thread. We've had multiple sources contradicting the claim of the OP, and no evidence in support of the OP.

For those who promote the "Lock her up!" narrative, Fake News is king!

ToddNotTodd · Sep 1, 2018

theQuincunx5 said:
Reading is fundamental.

I’d suggest that Trump supporters take a class in logic, since they’re clearly terrible at properly identifying fallacies, but I don’t think the truth matters enough to them...

LivingWordUnity · Sep 1, 2018

ToddNotTodd said:
I’d suggest that Trump supporters take a class in logic, since they’re clearly terrible at properly identifying fallacies, but I don’t think the truth matters enough to them...

Ironically, there's a logical fallacy in your statement.

LivingWordUnity · Sep 1, 2018

TLK Valentine · Sep 1, 2018

https://www.stripes.com/news/pacifi...-hacked-by-china-despite-trump-tweet-1.544904

ToddNotTodd · Sep 1, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Ironically, there's a logical fallacy in your statement.

Arguments can have logical fallacies. Since my statement was an opinion and not an argument, it doesn’t have any logical fallacies.

Seriously people, take a few Philosophy classes. It can really help your critical thinking skills...

LivingWordUnity · Sep 1, 2018

ToddNotTodd said:
Arguments can have logical fallacies. Since my statement was an opinion and not an argument, it doesn’t have any logical fallacies.

Seriously people, take a few Philosophy classes. It can really help your critical thinking skills...

Now you are back-peddling.

theQuincunx5 · Sep 1, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Now you are back-peddling.

Perhaps you could point out the specific logic fallacy in Todd's post. When you said that I, too, was confused. And as Todd noted, their post was merely a statement of opinion, hardly a syllogism. So I'm curious what fallacy you found, specifically.

LivingWordUnity · Sep 1, 2018

theQuincunx5 said:
Perhaps you could point out the specific logic fallacy in Todd's post. When you said that I, too, was confused. And as Todd noted, their post was merely a statement of opinion, hardly a syllogism. So I'm curious what fallacy you found, specifically.

Generalization and wrongness.

SoldierOfTheKing · Sep 1, 2018

You put classified emails an government server, God only knows who's hands they fell into.

Russia probably does have those emails, and they probably didn't have to hack into the server themselves to get them. More likely they purchased them from somebody who did.

LivingWordUnity · Sep 1, 2018

Hillary Clinton's private server could have been easier to hack than the DNC server was.

"None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail." - James Comey (July 5, 2016)
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SoldierOfTheKing · Sep 1, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Hillary Clinton's private server could have been easier to hack than the DNC server was.

The DNC server only contained embarrassing internal emails, not government secrets.

LivingWordUnity · Sep 1, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
The DNC server only contained embarrassing internal emails, not government secrets.

And there wouldn't have been an FBI investigation into election "meddling" if HRC would have won.

theQuincunx5 · Sep 1, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Generalization and wrongness.

LOL.

ToddNotTodd · Sep 1, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Now you are back-peddling.

That’s completely nonsensical. That was me telling you that your statement was erroneous. How is that backpedaling?

ToddNotTodd · Sep 1, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Generalization and wrongness.

Lol. “Wrongness” is a fallacy?

When exactly did you get your degree in Philosophy?

essentialsaltes · Aug 17, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
Let's just say the claims of the Daily Caller are unproven, particularly in the face of denials by the FBI, and the absence of evidence of such a hack in the DOJ report.

UPDATE

A long-running Republican-led investigation into the handling of classified information on Hillary Clinton's private email server did not find any evidence that China had successfully hacked the former secretary of state, confirming the findings of the FBI, according to a memo released by two senior senators this week.

Well, I hope that's finally the end of that!

The Senate investigation into the Clinton server is continuing and has shifted its focus toward a classified appendix of a report from the Department of Justice Inspector General's Office scrutinizing the FBI's investigation that was released last year, according to the memo.

Oh well.

SammyClifnote · Aug 17, 2019

NightHawkeye said:
From the "Tell me more", files: Sources: China Hacked Hillary Clinton's Private E-mail Server

A Chinese-owned company operating in the Washington, D.C., area hacked Hillary Clinton’s private server throughout her term as secretary of state and obtained nearly all her emails, two sources briefed on the matter told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

The Chinese firm obtained Clinton’s emails in real time as she sent and received communications and documents through her personal server, according to the sources, who said the hacking was conducted as part of an intelligence operation.

The Chinese wrote code that was embedded in the server, which was kept in Clinton’s residence in upstate New York. The code generated an instant “courtesy copy” for nearly all of her emails and forwarded them to the Chinese company, according to the sources.

The Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) found that virtually all of Clinton’s emails were sent to a “foreign entity,” Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, said at a July 12 House Committee on the Judiciary hearing. He did not reveal the entity’s identity, but said it was unrelated to Russia.
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“When [the ICIG] did a very deep dive, they found in the actual metadata — the data which is at the header and footer of all the emails — that a copy, a ‘courtesy copy,’ was being sent to a third party and that third party was a known Chinese public company that was involved in collecting intelligence for China,” the former intelligence officer told TheDCNF.

I hope someone alerts Jared Kushner and Ivanka that their use of private e-mail servers can lead to Chinese hacking!

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