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The 15-year-old towel girl working at Mar-a-Lago?

From the source the fellow you're quoting here just posted:

Giuffre says that Epstein and Maxwell trafficked her to places around the world for their sexual pleasure and others’ starting when she was an underage teen. She maintains that Maxwell, a British socialite, recruited her to train as a masseuse while she worked at Mar-a-Lago, the Florida resort owned by President Donald Trump, where her father had a job in maintenance.

But the massage work was just a cover for sex work, Giuffre says. Maxwell allegedly functioned as a madame, procuring underage girls for sexual exploitation by Epstein, his wealthy friends and herself.
 
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And.......?

And we're waiting for you to tell us how the accusations against Clinton "go much deeper and stronger" based on this woman. Especially when the article you linked contains no references to Clinton.
 
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And we're waiting for you to tell us how the accusations against Clinton "go much deeper and stronger" based on this woman. Especially when the article you linked contains no references to Clinton.
Before today, Epstein’s flight records spanning from 1999 through 2005 had been made public, but the new flight documents range from November 1995 through August 2013.

The unsealed documents also include a November 2016 deposition by Giuffre, where she addressed certain claims made by journalist Sharon Churcher about Giuffre’s interactions with Clinton and Trump.

Giuffre stated “Jeffrey told me that Donald Trump is a good friend of his” but disputed Trump flirted with her or had sex with any girls on the flight. “Oh, I didn't physically see him have sex with any of the girls, so I can't say who he had sex with in his whole life or not,” Giuffre said. “But I just know it wasn't with me when I was with other girls.” She also said she never saw Trump at any of Epstein’s homes.

Giuffre also described flying on jets with Clinton but said she did not see Clinton on Epstein’s personal helicopter firsthand. Ghislaine told her “she flew Bill in the black helicopter that Jeffrey bought her,” she said.

Giuffre also said Clinton’s Secret Service detail was present with Clinton on flights but weren’t physically next to him at all times.

A statement released on July 8 by former President Bill Clinton's press secretary, Angel Ureña, claimed that “in 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane: One to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa,” but a Washington Examiner review of the flight manifest records shows that Clinton actually went on at least 27 flights on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” during at least six trips, not four.

The July statement from Clinton also claimed the former president only met with Epstein beginning in the early 2000s, but that has also been disproven following revelations that Epstein met Clinton years before when Epstein visited the White House multiple times in the early and mid-1990s and when Clinton attended a three-hour fundraising dinner in 1995 where Epstein was present.

New Epstein flight logs show Trump flew on his plane in 1997
 
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....there's more than enough dirt to sully reputations of many people across the political spectrum. I think it's rather silly to imply one "side" or the other is clean. Money talks.

As for Bill Clinton's portrait. Who cares? I'm more concerned by the dozens (or more?) of young women who were exploited by this man...and apparently many more of his 'friends.'
 
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Giuffre also described flying on jets with Clinton but said she did not see Clinton on Epstein’s personal helicopter firsthand. Ghislaine told her “she flew Bill in the black helicopter that Jeffrey bought her,” she said.

OK, she saw Clinton on the plane.

A statement released on July 8 by former President Bill Clinton's press secretary, Angel Ureña, claimed that “in 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane

But we knew from other sources that Clinton was on the plane. Giuffre adds no new information.
 
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And in 2002, 5 years AFTER throwing him out said this about him:

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Link?
 
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Are people being serious, a two sentence quote from a phone converstion is being touted as something nefarious?

And no one is saying diddly about this:

Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science,” Clinton says through a spokesman. “I especially appreciated his insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating HIV/AIDS.”

Before Clinton, Epstein’s rare appearances in the gossip columns tended to be speculation as to the true nature of his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. While they are still friends, the English tabloids have postulated that Maxwell has longed for a more permanent pairing and that for undetermined reasons Epstein has not reciprocated in kind. “It’s a mysterious relationship that they have,” says society journalist David Patrick Columbia. “In one way, they are soul mates, yet they are hardly companions anymore. It’s a nice conventional relationship, where they serve each other’s purposes.”
 
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Are people being serious, a two sentence quote from a phone converstion is being touted as something nefarious?
Not nefarious, just a counter to claims that Trump had nothing to do with Epstein and despised him after '97.

And no one is saying diddly about this:

Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science,” Clinton says through a spokesman. “I especially appreciated his insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating HIV/AIDS.”
Because no one is arguing that Clinton and Epstein didn't have an association.

The stuff about Trump is only important because people (like you) are desperately trying to deny any association between Trump and Epstein.
 
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Are people being serious, a two sentence quote from a phone converstion is being touted as something nefarious?

And no one is saying diddly about this:

Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science,” Clinton says through a spokesman. “I especially appreciated his insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating HIV/AIDS.”

Before Clinton, Epstein’s rare appearances in the gossip columns tended to be speculation as to the true nature of his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. While they are still friends, the English tabloids have postulated that Maxwell has longed for a more permanent pairing and that for undetermined reasons Epstein has not reciprocated in kind. “It’s a mysterious relationship that they have,” says society journalist David Patrick Columbia. “In one way, they are soul mates, yet they are hardly companions anymore. It’s a nice conventional relationship, where they serve each other’s purposes.”

You claimed (with no supporting evidence) they were on the outs since 1997, yet 5 years later, Trump continues to heap praise on his "terrific guy" Epstein. It's not touted as "something nefarious", but it is evidence that directly contradicts your claims, and also shows that Trump might have even been aware of Epstein's activities at that point.

You may have noted that I also showed that Trump flew on Epstein's plane and dined at Epstein's house (and vice versa). They were more than "associated".
 
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Donald's comments were fully focused on Epstein's social life. Saying that Epstein liked beautiful women on the younger side. It's in sharp contrast to President Clinton's comments on Epstein which are fully focused on philanthropy. The only comments about a friendship between President Clinton & Epstein come not from any quotes from either of them but from English tabloids. Lol.
 
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Donald's comments were fully focused on Epstein's social life. Saying that Epstein liked beautiful women on the younger side. It's in sharp contrast to President Clinton's comments on Epstein which are fully focused on philanthropy. The only comments about a friendship between President Clinton & Epstein come not from any quotes from either of them but from English tabloids. Lol.
What really cracks me up about the equivalence the right is trying to make with Epstein and Clinton is that no Democrats or anyone on the left are supporting or even care about Bill Clinton on any significant level but Donald Trump is the current president and most obvious candidate for the right and Republicans to support in the coming election. They have no choice but to get behind the billionaire pedo’s old friend so they downplay the relationship and try to highlight how much closer Epstein was to Clinton instead.

I really feel bad for them sometimes.
 
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They have no choice but to get behind the billionaire pedo’s old friend so they downplay the relationship and try to highlight how much closer Epstein was to Clinton instead.
He didn't have a Trump portrait in his house now did he?....and besides this is about the Clinton portrait and not Trump.....but you know that.
 
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He didn't have a Trump portrait in his house now did he?....and besides this is about the Clinton portrait and not Trump.....but you know that.
Of course it’s about the Clinton portrait... That’s the thrust of my comment. You have no choice but to shift the connection over to Clinton.

All I’m saying is, no one cares that Clinton and Epstein were close friends because no one is voting for any Clinton to be president. We don’t have to support him.

Epstein’s other close friend Donald Trump is up for re-election so it is your duty to downplay their relationship.
 
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and besides this is about the Clinton portrait and not Trump
What about the Clinton portrait? You keep saying that it's significant, but can't seem to articulate why.

We already know that Clinton and Epstein were friends. Epstein purchasing a satirical portrait of him at an auction doesn't change anything about that. Heck, people buy posters and artwork of famous people that they've never met. Have you never seen a teenager's room plastered with posters of movie stars and/or athletes? Neither is it significant that he had a satirical painting of Clinton, but not Trump - there's nothing that says that if you buy a portrait of one of your friends, you have to buy a portrait of all of them.

Literally all this says about Epstein is that he had a somewhat odd sense of humor and that he was wealthy enough to buy random art on a whim. No big shockers in either of those.
 
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Trump is now spinning all sorts of nutty conspiracy theories to divert attention away from his own connection to Epstein.
The question is: was trump ever involved with any underage girls. I have not head any girl come forward to claim that he was. He has had women accuse him of doing something inappropriate. He is even recorded as saying: "when you are a star they let you do anything". Later on he said this was locker room talk. But no underage girl has come forward to accuse him of anything. There are girls talking about Epstein now though because they want to sue his estate.
 
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The question is: was trump ever involved with any underage girls. I have not head any girl come forward to claim that he was.
There was a woman who accused him of raping her when she was 13 and sued Trump and Epstein. She ended up dropping the case in 2016, but never withdrew the allegations. Not concrete, but you said you'd never heard of any accusations.

Then there's also his personal accounts of walking into the Miss Teen USA dressing rooms to see the underage contestants in various states of undress. Participants in the beauty contest confirm that he did this.
 
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Then there's also his personal accounts of walking into the Miss Teen USA dressing rooms to see the underage contestants in various states of undress. Participants in the beauty contest confirm that he did this.
They do not get much privacy. I worked as an electrician for the ballet company and often a dancer has to do a quick costume change. They may try to set up a sheet or some sort of a make shift dressing room but for the most part they were expected to do that in public. I got called out once because I was allegedly looking in that general direction when they were changing. I was not looking at anything. I was there to move a grand piano on and then off stage and I was just waiting for my cue. I was informed that they were naked during their costume change but I did not see any naked dancers anywhere. There was not even any lights on back stage. It was all in the dark. Teen girls are going to be even more sensitive about having to do their costume changes in less then private conditions. They dance off stage and have to do a quick change to dance back on and they really do not have time to find a dressing room somewhere.
 
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