Clinton portrait from Epstein estate

hislegacy said:

And then throwing him out of Mar a Lago, banning him for life and breaking off any contact. Is it possible that he found out something about Epstein that was repulsive?

Hmmmm......

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It sounds like he knew and liked him quite well.

civilwarbuff said:

Did i even remotely suggest such a thing?

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Well, yes:In any case, mine was a question based on these quotes.

civilwarbuff said:

I guess my definition of art goes to something of much higher quality than some......

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Not all art is "fine art"; the vast majority of it is commercial.

hislegacy said:

And then throwing him out of Mar a Lago, banning him for life and breaking off any contact. Is it possible that he found out something about Epstein that was repulsive?

Hmmmm......

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They fell out over real estate, not Donald's shocked morality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f1d98c-aca0-11e9-a0c9-6d2d7818f3da_story.html

hislegacy said:

And then throwing him out of Mar a Lago, banning him for life and breaking off any contact. Is it possible that he found out something about Epstein that was repulsive?

Hmmmm......

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It's possible. If he found out that Epstein was trafficking underage girls and did nothing about it, then that's a problem as well. Certainly wouldn't be as big of a problem as engaging in it.

The episode regarding kicking him out of the Mar-A-Lago seemed like a business decision, not a personal one. Epstein's actions were impacting other Mar-A-Lago guests, which Trump couldn't allow. It wasn't necessarily indicative of Trump not approving of the behavior on principle.

Trump has flown on Epstein's plane:

According to court documents that were part of lawsuits, Epstein was once a member of Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in South Florida—but was later barred by Trump for allegedly sexually assaulting an underage girl at the exclusive club. The two men ate dinner at one another's homes and Trump flew on Epstein's private airplane.

Jeffrey Epstein: How Donald Trump is linked to financier arrested for sex trafficking minors

Interestingly, Epstein had repeatedly claimed to have introduced Melania to Trump. It's certainly not confirmed, but it's an odd thing for Epstein to have claimed:

Jeffrey Epstein claims he introduced President Trump to wife Melania | Daily Mail Online

civilwarbuff said:

It seems to me that there are some people who seem disturbed by the thought that BC was a much closer friend to Epstein than his 'entourage' would want people to believe. Personally, I prefer that the truth come out and since it won't come from Epstein then any of his co-conspirators will have to do.......

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Can you actually link to anyone here defending Bill Clinton? Most Democrats I’ve seen have been completely on board with Bill being held accountable for anything he did, and generally not even particularly surprised given the evidence.

Kentonio said:

Can you actually link to anyone here defending Bill Clinton? Most Democrats I’ve seen have been completely on board with Bill being held accountable for anything he did, and generally not even particularly surprised given the evidence.

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Absolutely correct. The same can't be said of Trump supporters regarding evidence of Trump's association with Epstein.

hislegacy said:

Opens up a whole lot of questions.

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What are some of the questions this opens up?

Kentonio said:

Can you actually link to anyone here defending Bill Clinton?

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Only if they are part of his 'entourage'......

whatbogsends said:

Absolutely correct. The same can't be said of Trump supporters regarding evidence of Trump's association with Epstein.

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So is that the new bar?.....guilt by association? The accusations against BC go much deeper and stronger than simple association.

hislegacy said:

Considering it was 22 years ago he banned him from Mar a Lago for sexual assault on an employee, I would say his opinion has been different for more than two decades.

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How would you know what his opinion of him is? We have a direct quote of Trump giving his opinion on Epstein and the kind of guy he thinks he is, and one incident of Epstein being kicked out of his friend’s country club.

hislegacy said:

The President threw him out and banned him 22 years ago.

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In 1997?

The quote of Trump praising Epstein is from 2002.

hislegacy said:

The President threw him out and banned him 22 years ago.

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And in 2002, 5 years AFTER throwing him out said this about him:

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

civilwarbuff said:

So is that the new bar?.....guilt by association? The accusations against BC go much deeper and stronger than simple association.

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Please, do tell how the accusations against Clinton "go much deeper and stronger".

hislegacy said:

Opens up a whole lot of questions.

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I thought he tried to talk women out of their dress so that he could take advantage of them, not because he wanted to wear the dress. Is that how his DNA got on Monica's dress that she stashed in her closet?

No one could ever make this stuff up.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

It seems like Clinton and Trump are both close to Epstein. This is no surprise.

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No doubt about that. Trump is now spinning all sorts of nutty conspiracy theories to divert attention away from his own connection to Epstein. It's silly as heck, dishonest to boot. Trump is on record speaking favorably of Epstein, who he was on a first name basis with, saying “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” Flight records show that both he & President Clinton rode on Epstein's plane. Epstein used to be a regular at Mar-a-Lago. There's video footage of Epstein partying there. Unsealed documents detail allegations that Epstein's victims were recruited at Mar-a-Lago. Donald has claimed that Epstein was banned from there after allegedly assaulting a staff member, though there's more compelling evidence that the real reason was on account of a falling out the 2 had over real estate.

I think it's pretty darn clear that I'm not a fan of Donald's. He & President Clinton both have committed adultery, done things that are not defensible. Despite that, despite Donald having bragged about "inspecting" dressing rooms of beauty pageants he owned while the young contestants were changing, I don't think he's an actual pedophile like Epstein. I don't think President Clinton is either. There were a bunch of high-level rich men who partied with Epstein back in the 90s, so it's hardly much of a surprise that these 2 did. I have no doubt about it that it was sleazy but I don't think that means that all the men who partied with him knew about, much less participated in sex with underage girls.

whatbogsends said:

Please, do tell how the accusations against Clinton "go much deeper and stronger".

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Virginia Roberts Giuffre......

civilwarbuff said:

Virginia Roberts Giuffre......

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The 15-year-old towel girl working at Mar-a-Lago?

essentialsaltes said:

The 15-year-old towel girl working at Mar-a-Lago?

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Ah, so her age is important now.......
Court Records Detail Jeffrey Epstein And Prince Andrew Accusations