Homeowner Shoots Teen, but Murder Charges Go Elsewhere

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Five Illinois teens are charged as adults with first-degree murder in the shooting death of a 14-year-old—despite not touching the trigger. The deceased was fatally shot in the head by a homeowner in Old Mill Creek who described an attempt to steal a 2011 Audi from his driveway around 1:15am Tuesday, reports ABC News.

Homeowner Shoots Teen, but Murder Charges Go Elsewhere

IMHO, just another nonsensical law meant to get as many people as possible into the prison system.
 

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They deserved to be charged. If they hadn't gone there to commit a crime then he would still be alive.

Home owner only acting in self defence.
 
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They deserved to be charged. If they hadn't gone there to commit a crime then he would still be alive.
I don't disagree that they should be charged for burglary, resisting arrest etc.

Do you think they deserve to be charged as adults for murder?
 
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I don't disagree that they should be charged for burglary, resisting arrest etc.

Do you think they deserve to be charged as adults for murder?

Yes as they got their friend killed.
 
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Felony murder is established law in many (most?) U.S. states, and it should be.

Everyone participating in the felony is guilty for the murder of anyone who dies due to the commission of the felony...even the death of one of the criminals.

You don't need a gun to commit murder...

This makes total sense to anyone who believes criminals should be responsible for their acts.
 
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I don't disagree that they should be charged for burglary, resisting arrest etc.

Do you think they deserve to be charged as adults for murder?
The law was made long before they were even born, and it has been a standing law for some time. People who break the law should be glad we usurped God's law, and don't follow THAT.
 
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This is an example of a dumb law, but the real issue are the prosecutors filing these charges. Unless they killed their friend with malice, they should not be charged with murder.
[Citation needed]
 
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Certain mindsets are hard to understand. People often blame the police for killing someone who "only aimed a toy gun at the officers." How mean of them for not waiting to see if that person committing a crime was actually going to fire bullets at them.

How about this? Don't raise your kids to be criminals.
 
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While felony murder is apparently a thing in many states of the USA, I don't think it is in many other places.

I think it was intended to be part of an effort to discourage crime by deterrence. It has been shown by many studies that deterrence via heavy charges doesn't work.
 
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This is an example of a dumb law, but the real issue are the prosecutors filing these charges. Unless they killed their friend with malice, they should not be charged with murder.

I agree. I don't know the technical legality of the law, but charging them with murder seems excessive. Now if one of them had killed the homeowner I can see where they are all responsible, but since one of the perpetrators was killed I don't see how it is murder. Also I wonder if they would have been charged with murder if one of them had been killed in a car accident fleeing the scene?
 
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I agree. I don't know the technical legality of the law, but charging them with murder seems excessive. Now if one of them had killed the homeowner I can see where they are all responsible, but since one of the perpetrators was killed I don't see how it is murder. Also I wonder if they would have been charged with murder if one of them had been killed in a car accident fleeing the scene?
Apparently it's enough to lend someone a car to be convicted of felony murder. You don't even have to commit a crime or be at the place of the murder.

Ryan Holle - Wikipedia
 
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Apparently it's enough to lend someone a car to be convicted of felony murder. You don't even have to commit a crime or be at the place of the murder.

Ryan Holle - Wikipedia
If it can be shown that the lender knew what it was going to be used for then yes.....
 
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First-degree murder doesn't make sense as I think a prosecutor would have a really tough time proving that they went into the crime with the intent of getting one or more of themselves killed. I could see negligent homicide, but murder in the first is nonsensical.
 
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First-degree murder doesn't make sense as I think a prosecutor would have a really tough time proving that they went into the crime with the intent of getting one or more of themselves killed. I could see negligent homicide, but murder in the first is nonsensical.
If you read the story it explains intent is not a prerequisite.....
 
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Murder is way too excessive. You should only be charged with murder when you, well, murder. Also while teens should be held accountable for their acts, we still need to remember they are TEENS. This is why we had protections not to be tried as adults in most of these crimes. They can't think as logically as adults in a lot of situations yet. Their hormones and minds are out of control. A lot of them are under peer pressure and bad influence they haven't been able to fight off yet because they're still developing their personalities. They're still finding themselves, their faith, and figuring out what to stand up for and what to avoid. Some of them are still living in bad home lives. So no, I definitely don't agree if they go ahead with this weird and unwarranted murder charge.
 
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