How President Donald Trump Has Challenged the Global Transnationalism Ideology

NightHawkeye

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That is not exactly what I was asking but it was an interesting response. You appear to believe that some kind of "competition" amongst nation states is what keeps them (sometimes) from becoming tyrannies. Is that right? You used the EU as an example, although your description of it "stripping entire nations of their sovereignty" was rather lurid. What about our own federal union?
Perhaps you could answer my question. I answered yours in great detail.

How is one-world government going to work? If that's too tough, maybe just state what reasons there are to believe that it can work without quickly degenerating to tyranny.
 
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That seems to be where we disagree. Competition works things out, both within country and between countries.

Presumably that would include the ‘competition’ when the US overthrew South American democracies at the behest of US food corporations right?

Let’s not beat about the bush here, America doesn’t care about competition between countries, America cares about advancing its own national interests by using a combination of military and economic power to pressure (and if necessary force) other countries to do its bidding.
 
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Perhaps you could answer my question. I answered yours in great detail.
No, you didn't. You answered a question I didn't ask.

How is one-world government going to work? If that's too tough, maybe just state what reasons there are to believe that it can work without quickly degenerating to tyranny.
For the same reasons the EU works (despite your lurid misrepresentation of it) or the same reason the United states works, or any federal system--Canada, Mexico, you name it.
 
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For the same reasons the EU works (despite your lurid misrepresentation of it) or the same reason the United states works, or any federal system--Canada, Mexico, you name it.
Ok.

Imposing a failing system like the EU to govern the world seems like a really bad idea.
 
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Ok.

Imposing a failing system like the EU to govern the world seems like a really bad idea.
So therefore no sort world cooperative order is possible, QED. Uh huh. But you still haven't explained why it would be undesirable if it did work.
 
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So therefore no sort world cooperative order is possible, QED. Uh huh. But you still haven't explained why it would be undesirable if it did work.
I agreed it could be wonderful if it did work.

The problem is that nirvana doesn't just happen. It's not like suddenly 'POOF!' perfect one world government happens. I asked for ANY explanation about this hypothetical one-world government, how it works, how it could come into being, how it might stay perfect ... and got NO answers in response.

I'm still listening though, if you're interested in having a conversation on the subject.
 
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I agreed it could be wonderful if it did work.

The problem is that nirvana doesn't just happen. It's not like suddenly 'POOF!' perfect one world government happens. I asked for ANY explanation about this hypothetical one-world government, how it works, how it could come into being, how it might stay perfect ... and got NO answers in response.

I'm still listening though, if you're interested in having a conversation on the subject.
The reason that I asked the question is that your link seemed to suggest that the worst thing about it was an attack on our "sovereignty" and I'm not quite sure what was meant by that. As far as I know the last time our sovereignty was attacked was in 1941, but many conservatives seem to believe that Latin American peasants sneaking across the border is also an attack on our sovereignty, which seems rather silly. Evidently we are not on the same page about what the term means.
 
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The reason that I asked the question is that your link seemed to suggest that the worst thing about it was an attack on our "sovereignty" and I'm not quite sure what was meant by that. As far as I know the last time our sovereignty was attacked was in 1941, but many conservatives seem to believe that Latin American peasants sneaking across the border is also an attack on our sovereignty, which seems rather silly. Evidently we are not on the same page about what the term means.
I would merely remind you of the very first sentence in the OP: "The forces promoting global governance ..."

Global governance is also the topic you asked me about, so any attempt to shift the topic now seems misplaced.
 
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I would merely remind you of the very first sentence in the OP: "The forces promoting global governance ..."

Global governance is also the topic you asked me about, so any attempt to shift the topic now seems misplaced.
I thought we were considering some of the objections to global governance, as outlined in your scare piece.
 
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I thought we were considering some of the objections to global governance, as outlined in your scare piece.
Ok. That's not at all what you said in your prior post though, so I have no idea what you are interested in discussing, if anything.
 
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Ok. That's not at all what you said in your prior post though, so I have no idea what you are interested in discussing, if anything.
Trump is quoted in your link as saying we must protect our sovereignty, and Pompeo echos the sentiment. What, exactly, do they think we must protect? Pompeo goes on to confuse what he calls "national conservatism" with "Americanism" Is what they want to protect from global governance merely conservative ideology?
 
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