Is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

jgr · Aug 14, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
How many children did Abraham have at the time circumcision was even instituted? No more than two sons. That God required even those not of Abraham's seed to undergo circumcision simply goes to show that God is no respecter of persons and that He ordains one law for all people and one salvation plan for all people.

True.

And that He extends His covenant equally and impartially irrespective of DNA to all who will meet His requirements.

Contenders Edge said:
The line of Israel had not yet been established at the time of the establishment of circumcision. It was only in the process of being established which took a number of generations to complete and become a bloodline unto itself.

It was established at the moment that Isaac was conceived, as God had promised. Abraham's bloodline was reality from that point on. As soon as there are two points, a (blood)line can be drawn between them.

Contenders Edge said:
As for BAB2's posted video, did you or did you not realize that what he posted was a commercial advertising a product which for all anyone knows could be bogus? That does sometimes happen by the way.

Commercials are designed to advertise and sell products and almost never possess anything of informative value which is why, regardless of what side of the debate you are on in this thread, I would not recommend using commercials to make a case for anything because if you do, you run the high risk of looking like a fool, especially when the product advertised later turns out to be a fraud.

Do you think DNA testing and analysis is a fraud?

If so, you'd better start alerting all of the innumerable prosecutors who've used it to identify and convict innumerable criminals.

You should also include Francis Collins, a Christian who led the Human Genome Project.

Tell 'em they risk looking like fools.

Contenders Edge · Aug 14, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Zechariah 12:10 is often quoted by Dispensationalists in an attempt to prop up their doctrine.
Their problem is the fact that the verse was fulfilled at Calvary, and on the Day of Pentecost.

There is much more to those chapters then what you just quoted that Dispensationalists build their doctrine on.

BABerean2 said:
Based on Romans 11:5, Romans 9:27 was already fulfilled during Paul's day.

No they were not. The nation of Israel at large had rejected Jesus and remained in their sins. Most of them sadly still are. But the remnant to which Paul is referring to is who remains of the nation when they repent, not just a few people of a nation who receive Christ. Paul was speaking future tense when he said that all of Israel would be saved.

BABerean2 said:
Are you one of the people who is changing the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the word "then", which is an adverb of timing, in Romans 11:26?

I am changing nothing.

BABerean2 said:
Anyone who has to change God's Word to make their doctrine work is exposing their doctrine for what it really is.

Anyone who resorts to distortions and misrepresentations has shown themselves on the losing end of the debate.

jgr · Aug 14, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
In application to humanity in general, I would agree.

Humanity in general is the sum total of all of the individual events of humanity in specificity.

Contenders Edge said:
But if you attempt to apply this to a specific ethnic group in relation to the rest of mankind, the mixing rates are limited due to various factors and for some ethnic groups, the mixing rate is more limited than for others.

Mixing is applicable to all ethnic groups, and all of their progenies in all of their generations.

Mixing may decline or even disappear for a particular group in particular circumstances. But it rarely declines or disappears for all of its progenies in all of its generations. Mixing continues with them.

Through the millennia, there have been more than abundant enclaves of Jewish progeny and generations to continue the mixing processes unabated.

The end result of which is the ubiquity which exists today.

Contenders Edge · Aug 14, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Typical zionist dispensationalist futurist response that ignores all the scriptures I posted concerning the words Jew/Jews in the Bible......

Are you a Jew in disguise by any chance?

I am not ignoring the scriptures. You have been twisting and misapplying them in order to make them fit your Preterist doctrine and disregard others that challenge it. Do you secretly harbor hatred towards the nation of Israel and Jews by any chance?

Contenders Edge · Aug 14, 2019

jgr said:
True.

And that He extends His covenant equally and impartially irrespective of DNA to all who will meet His requirements.

It was established at the moment that Isaac was conceived, as God had promised. Abraham's bloodline was reality from that point on. As soon as there are two points, a (blood)line can be drawn between them.

Do you think DNA testing and analysis is a fraud?

If so, you'd better start alerting all of the innumerable prosecutors who've used it to identify and convict innumerable criminals.

You should also include Francis Collins, a Christian who led the Human Genome Project.

Tell 'em they risk looking like fools.

The Israelite bloodline was just getting started with the birth of Isaac and was completed with the establishment of the twelve tribes.

And I never said that DNA testing and analysis in and of itself was a fraud, but the commercial to which BAB2 was appealing very well could be for all anyone knows.

Contenders Edge · Aug 14, 2019

jgr said:
Mixing may decline or even disappear for a particular group in particular circumstances. But it rarely declines or disappears for all of its progenies in all of its generations. Mixing continues with them.

Through the millennia, there have been more than abundant enclaves of Jewish progeny and generations to continue the mixing processes unabated.

The end result of which is the ubiquity which exists today.

How do you know they continued unabated? The Jews have not always exactly been welcomed with open arms by every people. They have had a long history of being persecuted and driven from place to place. In many cases, they have been forced to keep to themselves. They are still not well received by many nations today. How does this not interfere with the so-called mixing process? You also must take into consideration at what rate these enclaves spread over the millenia. We do not know if they had spread quickly or slowly.

BABerean2 · Aug 14, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
Paul was speaking future tense when he said that all of Israel would be saved.

Your are attempting to change God's Word in your statement above, by leaving out the word "so".

The Greek word "houto" in Romans 11:26 is translated into the English word "so".
It refers to the "manner" of salvation, instead of the timing of salvation, as most Dispensationalists attempt to imply.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "THE DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF ZION, AND HE WILL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB;

G3779
οὕτω
houtō
hoo'-to
Or, before a vowel, οὕτως houtōs hoo'-toce.
From G3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): - after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like (-wise), no more, on this fashion (-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.
Total KJV occurrences: 212

That manner of salvation is found in the previous verses, shown below.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both faithful Israelite branches, and faithful Gentile branches in Romans 11.

Nowhere in the passage does Paul provide a path to salvation outside of the Church, even though Dispensationalists often attempt to imply otherwise.

"Anyone who resorts to distortions and misrepresentations has shown themselves on the losing end of the debate."

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Contenders Edge · Aug 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Your are attempting to change God's Word in your statement above, by leaving out the word "so".

The Greek word "houto" in Romans 11:26 is translated into the English word "so".
It refers to the "manner" of salvation, instead of the timing of salvation, as most Dispensationalists attempt to imply.

I am not changing God's Word. I am not taking anything out. You are showing complete disregard for the context of that passage that clearly shows that Paul is speaking future tense when he said that all of Israel shall be saved, and instead are quibbling about one single syllable.

BABerean2 said:
Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both faithful Israelite branches, and faithful Gentile branches in Romans 11.

Nowhere in the passage does Paul provide a path to salvation outside of the Church, even though Dispensationalists often attempt to imply otherwise.

Wrong again. Dispensationalists, as a whole, never teach that salvation can be achieved apart from Christ. Any that do are preaching heresy and do not represent the majority of Dispensationalists.

"Anyone who resorts to distortions and misrepresentations has shown themselves on the losing end of the debate."

jgr · Aug 15, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
How do you know they continued unabated? The Jews have not always exactly been welcomed with open arms by every people. They have had a long history of being persecuted and driven from place to place. In many cases, they have been forced to keep to themselves. They are still not well received by many nations today. How does this not interfere with the so-called mixing process? You also must take into consideration at what rate these enclaves spread over the millenia. We do not know if they had spread quickly or slowly.

By their own admission, from the earliest time:

"Based on the Hebrew Bible, intermarriage was quite frequent in early Israelite society. The Bible is full of Israelite men marrying foreign women. Abraham marries Keturah, who couldn’t have been a daughter of Israel as Israel, Abraham’s grandson was yet to have been born. Judah marries Shu’a the Canaanite. Joseph marries Asenath, daughter of the Egyptian priest Potiphera. Moses marries Zipporah, daughter of the Midian priest Jethro, the kings of Judea married all sorts of foreign princesses, and the list goes on and on."

Over the centuries, bans were attempted. But it was far too late by then, for Abraham's DNA had already been spread far and wide through progenies and their generations.

More recent statistics confirm its continued prevalence, with some going as far as to call it a plague:

"The intermarriage rate among American Jews is 58 percent, but 71 percent among the non-Orthodox."

Mixing has indeed been unabated, and ubiquity its result.

BABerean2 · Aug 15, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
You are showing complete disregard for the context of that passage that clearly shows that Paul is speaking future tense when he said that all of Israel shall be saved, and instead are quibbling about one single syllable.

Do you think one Greek word is important to the meaning of a verse, or is it insignificant?

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "THE DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF ZION, AND HE WILL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB;

G3779
οὕτω
houtō
hoo'-to
Or, before a vowel, οὕτως houtōs hoo'-toce.
From G3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): - after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like (-wise), no more, on this fashion (-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.
Total KJV occurrences: 212

Why do you continue your attempt to ignore this one word?

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Contenders Edge · Aug 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Do you think one Greek word is important to the meaning of a verse, or is it insignificant?

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "THE DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF ZION, AND HE WILL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB;

G3779
οὕτω
houtō
hoo'-to
Or, before a vowel, οὕτως houtōs hoo'-toce.
From G3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): - after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like (-wise), no more, on this fashion (-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.
Total KJV occurrences: 212

Why do you continue your attempt to ignore this one word?

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I am not ignoring any "one word" but you are fixated on one word at the expense of the entire context of the verse.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 15, 2019

jgr said:
Presumably you meant "...mixing events have increased with increased interaction...".

Contenders Edge said:
And that is all your claim is: An assumption without scriptural support because the Bible consistently retains a distinction between Jew and Gentile as far as lineage goes.

BABerean2 said:
You seem to have a misunderstanding of the fact that all of the descendants of Abraham and Sarah, are technically not "Jews", since Judah was only one of the twelve tribes. In the verse below Paul reveals that he was from the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

The Northern tribes were carried off into captivity hundreds of years before the time of Christ, and their Abrahamic DNA was intermixed with that of other people groups from Asia, and Europe.

Contenders Edge said: ↑
Does the promotion of an unchanging (Mal. 3:6) faithful promise-keeping God (Heb. 10:23) qualify as promoting of a dual covenant theology?

BABerean2 said: ↑
If you think the promises of God were not fulfilled at Calvary, and instead belong to a group of people based on their DNA, then you are clearly promoting some form of Dual Covenant Theology not found in the Bible.

Contenders Edge said: ↑
What is being disputed is whether or not the earthly blessings, including land restoration for the Jews have been carried over into the New Testament. Again, my contention in stating that they have been carried over has been based upon the fact that God is unchanging (Mal. 3:6) and faithful in keeping His promises (Heb. 10:23) and any doctrine suggesting that He has canceled out any promises He has made to anyone, be they to the nation of Israel who is descended from the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or the Church which consists of both Jew and Gentile, is an attack upon the integrity of our God.

BABerean2 said: ↑
Your arguments for two separate peoples of God fall apart in the words of Christ found below.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

In the video below former Dispensationalist Jerry Johnson reveals your doctrine for what it really is.

Contenders Edge said: ↑
The cited passages do not in any way, shape or form cancel out the promise of land restoration to Israel. Will the nation of Israel in the end consist of only those Jews who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord? The following scriptures say that this will be the case. (Zech. 12-14, Rom. 9:27, Rom. 11:26) and it will be they who inherit all the blessings that were meant for them in the first place.

LittleLambofJesus said:
You need to read up on who the OT Jews were..........

There are Jews living in Jerusalem and in the land of Benjamin and Judah now [the ones that want to]!
That is all the land the Jews are entitled to....the rest belong to the non Jewish Hebrew Israelites/Nations.................

Eze 48:22
“Moreover, apart from the possession of the Levites and the possession of the city which are in the midst of what belongs to the prince,
the area between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin shall belong to the prince.

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Contenders Edge said: ↑
The people of Judah were first called Jews during the days of Ahaz, King of Judah (2 Ki. 16:6) but all Israelites were later called Jews as is written in the books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther. They are entitled to all the promised land though each tribe is given their portion.

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
You have just exposed your ignorance of the difference between Judah and Israel in the OT. Let's look where the words "Jew/Jews" occurs in the OT:
The word "JEW" occurs in only 1 book of the OT: Esther
Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"jew" occurs 28 times in 28 verses in the NKJV
Only in Esther of the OT:
Est 2:5
In Shushan the citadel there was a certain Jew whose name was Mordecai the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite.
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The word JEWS only occurs in only 5 books of the OT:
2 Kings, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Daniel and Jeremiah

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"jews"occurs 243 times in 230 verses in the NKJV.

Ezr 4:12
Let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem, and are building the rebellious and evil city, and are finishing its walls and repairing the foundations.
Neh 1:2
that Hanani one of my brethren came with men from Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews who had escaped, who had survived the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem
Est 3:6
But he disdained to lay hands on Mordecai alone, for they had told him of the people of Mordecai. Instead, Haman sought to destroy all the Jews who were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus—the people of Mordecai.
Jer 32:12
“and I gave the purchase deed to Baruch the son of Neriah, son of Mahseiah, in the presence of Hanamel my uncle's son, and in the presence of the witnesses who signed the purchase deed, before all the Jews who sat in the court of the prison.
Dan 3:8
Therefore at that time certain Chaldeans came forward and accused the Jews.
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Captivity of the Jews in the OT:

Jer 52:28
These are the people whom Nebuchadnezzar carried away captive: in the seventh year, three thousand and twenty-three Jews;
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Captivity of the Jews in the NT [including Revelation]
Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, ................Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.

Contenders Edge said: ↑
"Jew" or "Jews"; what difference does that make?

LittleLambofJesus said:
Typical zionist dispensationalist futurist response that ignores all the scriptures I posted concerning the words Jew/Jews in the Bible......

Contenders Edge said:
I am not ignoring the scriptures. You have been twisting and misapplying them in order to make them fit your Preterist doctrine and disregard others that challenge it. Do you secretly harbor hatred towards the nation of Israel and Jews by any chance?

Once again, the typical "anti-Jewish" label used against Preterists by Zionist futurists, even after their zionist dispensationalist "dual covenant" doctrinal views have been refuted many times on CF......
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Is Preterism Anti-semitic ? & Do you believe in "replacement theology?

Is Preterism Anti-semitic ?
This was taken from Web Page Under Construction

QUESTION 11: Can you possibly deny that preterism is anti-semitic?
ANSWER: I cannot deny that there are some modern-day "Jew"-haters who use preterism to teach that all "Jews" since A. D. 70 are under a special curse of God and that therefore people like Hitler aren't such bad guys after all.
However, that teaching is an abominable perversion of preterist doctrine and those who spread it should be avoided by everyone.
Yes, I can deny that preterism is anti-semitic. As surprising as it may seem, it is actually consistent futurism that logically fosters "Jew"-hatred. Here are some verses that show this to be true:

And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the Great City which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. (Rev. 11:8)

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This verse designates Jerusalem as "Sodom and Egypt" because it was in Jerusalem that the Lord Jesus was crucified. If we are to say this verse refers to a time in our future and is not yet fulfilled, then we must also say that Jerusalem remains the spiritual "Sodom and Egypt" to this very day because of its Messianic blood-guilt, and that it must remain so indicted until the Judgment of Rev. 11:13-19 is fulfilled sometime in our future. This conclusion is inescapable if the passage has yet to be fulfilled.

And if Rev. 11:13-19 is yet unfulfilled, this logically implies that Paul's indictment against Jews must also remain intact to this very day, specifically, that "the Jews [who "killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets"] ...are ...hostile to all men" and that "they always fill up the measure of their sins." (I Thess. 2:14-16)
Consistent futurism logically produces a very dangerous ambiguity and ambivalence toward modern-day "Jews" in that, on the one hand, they are in some sense "God's chosen people," while on the other hand they remain a blood-guilty race of enemies (Rom. 11:28) who are opposed to all men, and whose metropolis is "Egypt" and "Sodom" until Revelation 11 is fulfilled. This is the hateful fruit of consistent futurism.

In the preterist doctrine, in contrast, Jerusalem was "given to the nations" by God in the late 60's, A.D., and the Great City was then trampled under foot until it was destroyed in A. D. 70. In those terrible "days of vengeance," the wrath of God against the Jews came to the utmost (I Thess. 2:16; Heb. 10:26-31) and they paid the price for their Messianic blood-guilt to the last penny (Lk. 12:54-59).
After that day, the blood-descendants of Abraham became --covenantally speaking-- simply one of the many ethnic classes in the family of man (Eph. 3:15).

There is not one ethnic group (or "race") of men today that is in any sense rejected by God or favored by God over others, but all are freely accepted in Christ and are made One through faith in Him.
How many lives would have been saved if this preterist view of Israel in Bible prophecy had been taught instead of consistent futurism?
Probably millions.

QUESTION 98: Do you believe in "replacement theology?" Was Israel replaced by the Church? Since the Jews are no longer God's chosen people, does that indicate that Jews are an accursed race because of what they did to Christ?

ANSWER:
Abraham's descendants were not cut off and "replaced" by a gentile church. The Jews never became an accursed race.
Yes, there was a wicked and perverse generation of accursed Jews in the Last Days. (Matt. 25:41; Mk. 11:21; Gal. 3:10) And yes, after A.D. 70 Abraham's descendants were no longer in any sense uniquely God's chosen people. But those facts in no way indicate that the Abrahamic blood-line became accursed.
Israel was hardened "in part" in the Last Days. (Rom. 11:25)

It was through the world-changing, Last-Days work of the Holy Spirit that the "firstfruit" remnant of Israel was saved, (Rom. 11:5,16) and that "the fulness of the gentiles" was brought into Israel, (Rom. 11:25) and that the pre-Cross saints ("the dead" / "all Israel") were resurrected. (Rom. 11:15,26,28) All were gathered together at the Parousia of Christ and united into one eternal, spiritual, resurrected Body. (Rom. 11:26)
In the ages before the Advent of the Son, God's people were not only separated from Him (as the animal sacrifices testified) and separated from each other (the divided kingdoms of Israel and Judah) and separated from the unclean, gentile world, but wars with each other and wars with gentiles, and ultimately Death itself, separated every son of the kingdom from the worship of the Father.
Through the power of the Cross of Christ, those "old things" of "tears," "death," "sorrow," "outcry" and "pain" passed away in the end of the age. (Rev. 21:4) In His Parousia, the historic kingdom was transformed.
It was changed from having been a worldly, hand-made kingdom that embodied Condemnation (separation), Sin and Death (Heb. 9:1,11,24), to being the God-made Kingdom "from out of Heaven" (II Cor. 5:2; Rev. 21:2,10) in which all the elect, the living and the dead, Jew and gentile, were united and made alive in Christ, never again to be separated from God or from each other.

Now all the saints are granted free and equal access to the throne of grace, through faith in the Son.

The Church, which Israel's Messiah bought with His own blood, was not the replacement or condemnation of biblical Israel. (Jn. 3:17) It was its fulfillment. Christ's Kingdom today is the full and perfect realization of the hope and goal of Old-Testament Israel.

Good questions and answers. I have said from the beginning of my sojourn with preterism that unless you say that the specific generation that cursed and killed Jesus came under the blood curse (on us and our children) then all Jews are cursed. So, I can in no way endorse the charge and roundly deny that preterism is anti-semitic. Those rebellious, stiff-necked Jews that Jesus called a brood of vipers, a synagogue of satan and children of the devil were cursed and judgement came down on their head.

As far as "replacement" goes, I have never understood this charge. The Jews were the first Christians and Paul said that everything jewish was excrement compared to Christ.

I believe that the Jews that get it are children of God and I am an equal heir with them because of Christ's blood. The inheritance is "every spriritual blessing in the heavenlies". All in Christ get that inheritance and it doesn't matter what they were before. Christ was the only "true Jew" and we are His body.
No replacement, just those that were strangers are now brought near, both Jew and gentile.

It's not "replacement theology", rather it's "Fulfillment theology".
The Church dosen't replace Gods purpose for Israel, It Fulfills God's purpose for Israel.

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BABerean2 · Aug 15, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
I am not ignoring any "one word" but you are fixated on one word at the expense of the entire context of the verse.

The context of Romans 11:26 is the salvation of Israel.
However, you are in denial that the Church is a part of Israel, as found in Acts of the Apostles 2:36-40, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3.

The promoters of your doctrine very often leave out the word "so", or change the word "so" to the word "then" in Romans 11:26, to make their Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

Is there a difference between the "manner" of salvation, and the "timing" of salvation?
If there is, then the Greek word "houto" cannot be ignored in Romans 11:26.

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LittleLambofJesus · Aug 15, 2019

BABerean2 said:
The context of Romans 11:26 is the salvation of Israel.
However, you are in denial that the Church is a part of Israel, as found in Acts of the Apostles 2:36-40, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3.

The promoters of your doctrine very often leave out the word "so", or change the word "so" to the word "then" in Romans 11:26, to make their Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

Is there a difference between the "manner" of salvation, and the "timing" of salvation?
If there is, then the Greek word "houto" cannot be ignored in Romans 11:26.

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You appear to be correct BAB.
It could also be rendered as "thus".
Very few Bible versions use "then"

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

3779. houto (before a vowel houtos hoo'-toce adverb from 3778;
in this way (referring to what precedes or follows):--after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like(-wise), no more, on this fashion(-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.
The KJV translates Strong's G3779 in the following manner: so (164x), thus (17x), even so (9x), on this wise (6x), likewise (4x), after this manner (3x), miscellaneous (10x).
G3779 οὕτω(ς) (houtō(s),occurs 213 times in 206 verses [Used in 6 verses in Revelation]

Romans 11:26 Biblehub

Berean Literal Bible
And so all Israel will be saved, as it has been written: "The One Delivering will come out of Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.
New American Standard Bible
and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
King James Bible
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online
26 καὶ οὕτως πᾶς Ἰσραὴλ σωθήσεται· καθὼς γέγραπται, ἥξει ἐκ Σιὼν ὁ ῥυόμενος, ἀποστρέψει ἀσεβείας ἀπὸ Ἰακώβ·
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Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?] (Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS NT 3779: οὕτω

οὕτω and οὕτως (formerly in printed editions οὕτω appeared before a consonant, οὕτως before a vowel; but (recent critical editors, following the best manuscripts ("Codex Sinaiticus has οὕτω but fourteen times in the N. T." Scrivener, Collation etc., p. liv.; cf. his Introduction etc., p. 561), have restored οὕτως; viz. Treg. uniformly, 205 times; Tdf. 203 times, 4 times οὕτω; Lachmann 196 times, 7 times οὕτω (all before a consonant); WH 196 times, 10 times οὕτω (all before a consonant); cf. Tdf. Proleg., p. 97; WHs Appendix, p. 146f); cf. Winers Grammar, § 5, 1 b.; B. 9; (Lob. Pathol. Elementa ii. 218ff); cf. Krüger, § 11, 12, 1; Kühner, § 72, 3 a.), adverb (from οὗτος) (fr. Homer down), the Sept. for כֵּן, in this manner, thus, so:

1. by virtue of its native demonstrative force it refers to what precedes; in the manner spoken of; in the way described; in the way it was done; in this manner; in such a manner; thus, so: Matthew 6:30; Matthew 11:26; Matthew 17:12; Matthew 19:8; Mark 14:59; Luke 1:25; Luke 2:48; Luke 12:28; Romans 11:5; 1 Corinthians 8:12; 1 Corinthians 15:11; Hebrews 6:9; (2 Peter 3:11 WH Tr marginal reading); οὐχ οὕτως ἔσται (L Tr WH ἐστιν (so also T in Mark)) ἐν ὑμῖν, it will not be so among you (I hope), Matthew 20:26; Mark 10:43; ὑμεῖς οὐχ οὕτως namely, ἔσεσθε, Luke 22:26; ἐάν ἀφῶμεν αὐτόν οὕτως namely, ποιοῦντα, thus as he has done hitherto (see ἀφίημι, 2 b.), John 11:48; it refers to similitudes and comparisons, and serves to adapt them to the case in hand, Matthew 5:16 (even so, i. e. as the lamp on the lampstand);

Romans 5:12 (this connection between sin and death being established (but this explanation of the οὕτως appears to be too general (cf. Meyer ad loc.))); Hebrews 6:15 (i. e. since God had pledged the promise by an oath); equivalent to things having been thus settled, this having been done, then: Matthew 11:26; Acts 7:8; Acts 28:14; 1 Corinthians 14:25; 1 Thessalonians 4:17; 2 Peter 1:11; cf. Fritzsche, Commentary to Romans, i., p. 298. Closely related to this use is that of of οὕτως (like Latin ita for itaque, igitur) in the sense of consequently (cf. English so at the beginning of a sentence): Matthew 7:17; Romans 1:15; Romans 6:11; Revelation 3:16 ((cf. Fritzsche on Matthew, p. 220); Passow, under the word, 2; (Liddell and Scott, under the word, II.)).

2. it prepares the way for what follows: Matthew 6:9; Luke 19:31; John 21:1; οὕτως ἦν, was arranged thus, was on this wise (Winers Grammar, 465 (434); Buttmann, § 129, 11), Matthew 1:18; οὕτως ἐστι τό θέλημα τοῦ Θεοῦ followed by an infinitive, so is the will of God, that, 1 Peter 2:15. before language quoted from the O. T.: Matthew 2:5; Acts 7:6; Acts 13:34, 47; 1 Corinthians 15:45; Hebrews 4:4.

3. with adjectives, so (Latin tam, marking degree of intensity): Hebrews 12:21; Revelation 16:18; postpositive, τί δειλοί ἐστε οὕτως; Mark 4:40 (L Tr WH omit); in the same sense with adverbs, Galatians 1:6; or with verbs, so greatly, 1 John 4:11; οὕτως... ὥστε, John 3:16. οὐδέποτε ἐφάνη οὕτως, it was never seen in such fashion, i. e. such an extraordinary sight, Matthew 9:33 (ἐφάνη must be taken impersonally; cf. Bleek, Synoptative Erklär. i. p. 406 (or Meyer at the passage)); οὐδέποτε οὕτως εἴδομεν, we never saw it so, i. e. with such astonishment, Mark 2:12.

4. οὕτως or οὕτως καί in comparison stands antithetic to an adverb or a relative pronoun (Winers Grammar, § 53, 5; cf. Buttmann, 362 (311) c.): καθάπερ... οὕτως, Romans 12:4; 1 Corinthians 12:12; 2 Corinthians 8:11; καθώς... οὕτως, Luke 11:30; Luke 17:26; John 3:14; John 12:50; John 14:31; John 15:4; 2 Corinthians 1:5; 2 Corinthians 10:7; 1 Thessalonians 2:4; Hebrews 5:3; οὕτως... καθώς, Luke 24:24; Romans 11:26; Philippians 3:17; ὡς... οὕτως, Acts 8:32; Acts 23:11; Romans 5:15, 18; 1 Corinthians 7:17; 2 Corinthians 7:14; 1 Thessalonians 2:8; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; οὕτως... ὡς, Mark 4:26; John 7:46 (L WH omit; Tr brackets the clause);.............

5. Further, the following special uses deserve notice:
a. (ἔχει) ὅς (better ὁ) μέν οὕτως ὅς (better ὁ) δέ οὕτως, one after this manner, another after that, i. e. different men in different ways, 1 Corinthians 7:7 (πότε μέν οὕτως καί πότε οὕτως φάγεται ἡ μάχαιρα, 2 Samuel 11:25).
b. οὕτως, in the manner known to all, i. e. according to the context, so shamefully, 1 Corinthians 5:3.
c. in that state in which one finds oneself, such as one is (cf. Winer's Grammar, 465 (434)): τί με ἐποίησας οὕτως, Romans 9:20; οὕτως of those εἶναι, μένειν who remain unmarried, 1 Corinthians 7:26, 40; ὁ νικῶν οὕτως περιβαλεῖται viz. as (i. e. because he is) victor (others in the manner described in verse 4), Revelation 3:5 L T Tr WH.
d. thus forthwith, i. e. without hesitation
e. in questions (Latin sicine?) (English exclamatory so then, what): Mark 7:18 (German sonach) (others take οὕτως here as expressive of degree. In Matthew 26:40, however, many give it the sense spoken of; cf. too 1 Corinthians 6:5); οὕτως ἀποκρίνῃ; i. e. so impudently, John 18:22; with an adjective, so (very), Galatians 3:3..

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Bengel's Gnomen
Romans 11:26. καὶ οὓτω, and so) he does not say "and then", but with greater force, "and so", in which very expression the then is included; to wit, the blindness of Israel will be terminated by the very coming in of the Gentiles.—πᾶς Ἰσραὴλ, all Israel) Israel contradistinguished from the Gentiles, of which Romans 11:25 treats.
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Meyer's NT Commentary
Romans 11:26 f. Καὶ οὕτω] And so, namely, after the πλήρωμα τῶν ἐθνῶν shall have come in.
The modal character of the οὕτω therefore lies in the succession of time conditioning the emergence of the fact (comp. 1 Corinthians 11:28), as it also in the classics, in the sense of so then, embraces what has been previously said. See Schweighäuser, Lex. Herod. II. p. 167; Thucyd. iii. 96. 2; Xen. Anab. iii. 5. 6; Dem. 644. 18, 802. 20. Theodoret rightly says: τῶν γὰρ ἐθνῶν δεξαμένων τὸ κήρυγμα πιστεύσουσι κἀκεῖνοι, and that, according to Romans 11:11, under the impulse of powerful emulation. We may add that this great final result is brought into more important prominence, if we take ΚΑῚ ΟὝΤΩ Κ.Τ.Λ. independently, than if we make it form part of the statement dependent on ὍΤΙ (Lachmann, Tischendorf, Fritzsche, Ewald, Hofmann, and others).

pdudgeon · Aug 16, 2019

claninja said:
The promise of the restoration of the nation of Israel is found in the old covenant:

Deuteronomy 30:1-5 When all these things come upon you—the blessings and curses I have set before you—and you call them to mind in all the nations to which the LORD your God has banished you, and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey His voice with all your heart and all your soul according to everything I am giving you today, then He will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you from all the nations to which the LORD your God has scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the ends of the earth, He will gather you and return you from there. And the LORD your God will bring you into the land your fathers possessed, and you will take possession of it. He will cause you to prosper and multiply more than your fathers. The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and all your soul, so that you may live.

The Old testament prophecies of the restoration of the land of Israel are rooted in the clause of Deuteronomy 30:1-5. Several examples include:

Jeremiah 29:10-14 For thus says the Lord: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place. For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

Ezekiel 39:25-28 Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and will have compassion on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for My holy name. They will forget their disgrace and all the treachery they committed against Me, when they dwell securely in their land, with no one to frighten them. When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them out of the lands of their enemies, I will show My holiness in them in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, when I regather them to their own land, after exiling them among the nations, not leaving any of them behind

Amos 9:14-15 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

This was found fulfilled once under the old covenant, when those from the southern kingdom and northern kingdom returned to the land after the Babylonian exile.

Ezra 1:5 Then rose up the heads of the fathers’ houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and the Levites, everyone whose spirit God had stirred to go up to rebuild the house of the Lord that is in Jerusalem.

1 Chronicles 9:1-4 So all Israel was recorded in genealogies, and these are written in the Book of the Kings of Israel. And Judah was taken into exile in Babylon because of their breach of faith. Now the first to dwell again in their possessions in their cities were Israel, the priests, the Levites, and the temple servants. And some of the people of Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim, and Manasseh lived in Jerusalem: Uthai the son of Ammihud, son of Omri, son of Imri, son of Bani, from the sons of Perez the son of Judah

However, the old covenant ended and was superseded by the new covenant through the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 10:9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second

Hebrews 9:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Additionally, the old covenant was only a shadow that was meant to point to Christ, and not the true reality.

Hebrews 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities,

colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

The old covenant is no longer in effect, as it was superseded by the new covenant. Thus, the promises of restoration to the land are no longer a valid.

an Earthly example to help understand:
I was single and created a will in which my best friend would inherit my estate in the event of my death. However, I later married and changed that will so that my wife, and not my friend, would inherit my estate in the event of my death. The new will cancels the old will, and thus my best friend would not inherit my estate.

So is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 16, 2019

claninja said: ↑
The promise of the restoration of the nation of Israel is found in the old covenant:
Deuteronomy 30:1-5 When all these things come upon you—the blessings and curses I have set before you—and you call them to mind in all the nations to which the LORD your God has banished you, and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey His voice with all your heart and all your soul according to everything I am giving you today, then He will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you from all the nations to which the LORD your God has scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the ends of the earth, He will gather you and return you from there. And the LORD your God will bring you into the land your fathers possessed, and you will take possession of it. He will cause you to prosper and multiply more than your fathers. The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, and you will love Him with all your heart and all your soul, so that you may live............

pdudgeon said:
The old covenant is no longer in effect, as it was superseded by the new covenant. Thus, the promises of restoration to the land are no longer a valid.
an Earthly example to help understand:
I was single and created a will in which my best friend would inherit my estate in the event of my death. However, I later married and changed that will so that my wife, and not my friend, would inherit my estate in the event of my death. The new will cancels the old will, and thus my best friend would not inherit my estate.
So is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

Goes nicely with the Covenantle analogy of the Old and New Wineskins
A member had just started this thread earlier today:

Parable of New Wine in Old Wineskins
Discussion Questions
What are the new wine, old wine, new wineskins, old wineskins?
Why does new wine burst old skins?
What can you infer about the Christian message from this?
Who drank the old wine?
What was their reaction to the new?
If the old is better, why offer them new?
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Quote LLoJ
I believe it is simply the view of 2 Covenants.....OC and NC.........The Old things passed away in the 70ad destruction of the OC Temple and Priesthood....

This is the translation of it from the Greek and notice the word "young"

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

3501. neos neh'-os including the comparative neoteros neh-o'-ter-os; a primary word;
"new", i.e. (of persons) youthful, or (of things) fresh; figuratively, regenerate:--new, young.
2537. kainos kahee-nos' of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness; while 3501 is properly so with respect to age:--new.]

Luke 5:37
"And no one is casting young/neon<3501> wine into Old/palaiouV<3820> skins, if yet no surely shall be ruined the young wine of the skins,
and it shall be being poured-out and its skin shall be perishing.
38 but young wine into New/kainouV<2537> skins is to be cast and both are preserved together.
39 And no one drinking Old immediately is willing young, for he is saying, 'for the the Old is kind/mellow'". [Matthew 9:17 Mark 2:22]
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Hebrews 8
8 "For faulting to-them He is saying 'behold! days are coming is saying Lord and I shall-be-together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> (5692) upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a New/kainhn<2537> Covenant, [Jeremiah 31:31]

13 in the to be saying `New<2537>,' He hath made Old the first.
The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh of disappearance.
[Revelation 14:8/18:8/]

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While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns; and, in case of resistance, slew the inhabitants, not sparing either women or children. Simon, son of Gioras, the commander of one of these bands, at the head of forty thousand banditti, having with some difficulty entered Jerusalem, gave birth to a third faction, and the flame of civil discord blazed out again, with still more destructive fury. The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts. John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example.
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The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.
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Contenders Edge · Aug 16, 2019

jgr said:
By their own admission, from the earliest time:

"Based on the Hebrew Bible, intermarriage was quite frequent in early Israelite society. The Bible is full of Israelite men marrying foreign women. Abraham marries Keturah, who couldn’t have been a daughter of Israel as Israel, Abraham’s grandson was yet to have been born. Judah marries Shu’a the Canaanite. Joseph marries Asenath, daughter of the Egyptian priest Potiphera. Moses marries Zipporah, daughter of the Midian priest Jethro, the kings of Judea married all sorts of foreign princesses, and the list goes on and on."

Over the centuries, bans were attempted. But it was far too late by then, for Abraham's DNA had already been spread far and wide through progenies and their generations.

More recent statistics confirm its continued prevalence, with some going as far as to call it a plague:

"The intermarriage rate among American Jews is 58 percent, but 71 percent among the non-Orthodox."

Mixing has indeed been unabated, and ubiquity its result.

Abraham and Joseph married Gentile wives before the bloodline of Israel was even firmly established with the creation of the twelve tribes and the Haaretz article does not go into specifics about which kings of Judah took foreign wives.

Solomon is a given. The scripture states that many of the wives he married were foreign women. Other than that, the only other Judean king who took a wife of foreign descent was Jehoram who married daughter of Ahab (2 Ki. 8:18, 2 Chr. 21:6) and Jezebel who, a full-blooded Gentile, was wife to King Ahab. And King Jehoachin, who was taken into captivity by the Babylonians, took a wife from Libnah. (2 Ki. 24:18)

Aside from King Solomon and a few other exceptions, it does not appear that the kings of either the Northern of Southern Kingdoms routinely took foreign wives.

And according to the Jewish Telegraph agency article you cited, only 6.8 million people in the United States actually identify as Jewish (whether by blood, spiritually, or both); In most other countries, the ratio of those who identify as Jewish is significantly smaller in comparison to the entire population and in some cases, only a few thousand.

Such statistics show your claims of everyone in the world being Jewish to be incorrect.

keras · Aug 16, 2019

The Davidic Line and the Covenants:
Soon after the nations had been dispersed at Babel, God entered into a Covenant with Abram, for the purpose of blessing the world through him and his descendants, who we know are only people of faith; Jew and Gentile. Galatians 3:26-29
This covenant, known as the Abrahamic Covenant unconditionally promises three things to the Lord’s people: land / seed or descendants / and blessings. These three promises are confirmed in further covenants that God made with the original, natural descendants and all who qualify by faith; like that displayed by Abraham.
The Land, all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates, has never been occupied solely by any cohesive group as yet.
This seed aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant’s promises is later amplified in what is known as the Davidic Covenant. After God rejected Saul, God selected David from among Jesse’s sons, leading to David’s anointing as the nation’s second king.
In time, God entered into a covenant with David, promising that through David’s lineage would come an eternal house, throne, and kingdom.
The Gospels confirm Jesus Christ as the unique Davidic descendant who will one day rule the world from Jerusalem.
While the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are unconditional, the Mosaic Covenant is conditional; Exodus 19-23 Thus, any given generation within Israel must meet the conditions of the Mosaic Covenant in order to experience the blessings promised in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants. They must enthrone the king of God’s own choosing, Deuteronomy 17:15, thereby satisfying the condition of obedience found in the Mosaic Covenant.
First-century Israel failed to enthrone Jesus, so they lost the covenantal blessings. Such a rejection not only led to first-century Israel’s loss of the Kingdom blessings, Matthew 21:43, but also to a long interim age of two thousand years; when the earthly Davidic line would be kept hidden. Luke 19:11-27
During this time of postponement, the ascended Christ has been elevated to the Father’s right hand. Acts 2:33-34; Psalms 110:1 In this position of glory, Jesus continues His ministry spiritually, in which He functions as priest and our Comforter. Matthew 28:20
Many years elapsed between David’s anointing as king and when David actually began to reign after Saul’s death. In the same way, Christ has been anointed at His Ascension as the one who will ultimately fulfill the Davidic Covenant. However, He will not begin to actually rule as Davidic king until the nations are made His footstool, Hebrews 10:12-13, and Satan has finally been deposed at the inauguration of the Messiah’s earthly kingdom.
Revelation 3:21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Those trusting in Christ will be rewarded (future tense) by joining Him in His earthly reign, Revelation 5:10a, just as Christ overcame and sat down (past tense) on His Father’s heavenly throne. Nowhere is it said that we humans go to live in heaven.
During the future glorious one-thousand year era, everything that was promised in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants will find a literal fulfilment when Christ will rule the world from Jerusalem. This earthly kingdom will then merge into the Eternal State, fulfilling the Davidic Covenant’s eternal requirement. 1 Corinthians 15:24
Ref: A Woods

jgr · Aug 16, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
Abraham and Joseph married Gentile wives before the bloodline of Israel was even firmly established with the creation of the twelve tribes and the Haaretz article does not go into specifics about which kings of Judah took foreign wives.

Solomon is a given. The scripture states that many of the wives he married were foreign women. Other than that, the only other Judean king who took a wife of foreign descent was Jehoram who married daughter of Ahab (2 Ki. 8:18, 2 Chr. 21:6) and Jezebel who, a full-blooded Gentile, was wife to King Ahab. And King Jehoachin, who was taken into captivity by the Babylonians, took a wife from Libnah. (2 Ki. 24:18)

Aside from King Solomon and a few other exceptions, it does not appear that the kings of either the Northern of Southern Kingdoms routinely took foreign wives.

And according to the Jewish Telegraph agency article you cited, only 6.8 million people in the United States actually identify as Jewish (whether by blood, spiritually, or both); In most other countries, the ratio of those who identify as Jewish is significantly smaller in comparison to the entire population and in some cases, only a few thousand.

Such statistics show your claims of everyone in the world being Jewish to be incorrect.

Feel free to inform the Jews of their misinformation about themselves.

BABerean2 · Aug 16, 2019

Contenders Edge said:
Abraham and Joseph married Gentile wives before the bloodline of Israel was even firmly established with the creation of the twelve tribes and the Haaretz article does not go into specifics about which kings of Judah took foreign wives.

Solomon is a given. The scripture states that many of the wives he married were foreign women. Other than that, the only other Judean king who took a wife of foreign descent was Jehoram who married daughter of Ahab (2 Ki. 8:18, 2 Chr. 21:6) and Jezebel who, a full-blooded Gentile, was wife to King Ahab. And King Jehoachin, who was taken into captivity by the Babylonians, took a wife from Libnah. (2 Ki. 24:18)

Aside from King Solomon and a few other exceptions, it does not appear that the kings of either the Northern of Southern Kingdoms routinely took foreign wives.

And according to the Jewish Telegraph agency article you cited, only 6.8 million people in the United States actually identify as Jewish (whether by blood, spiritually, or both); In most other countries, the ratio of those who identify as Jewish is significantly smaller in comparison to the entire population and in some cases, only a few thousand.

Such statistics show your claims of everyone in the world being Jewish to be incorrect.

I do not identify as German, or Scotch, or Irish, or Dutch, although I am descended from all of those people groups, based on who my grandparents, and great-grandparents were.

Does that mean none of them are my ancestors?

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