Four Police Officers Shot in Philadephia

Willie T said:

How is any kind of law going to restrict the actions of people who break laws for a living?

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Really?

Lots of laws do that in many arenas of behavior.

LostMarbels said:

Laws do nothing concerning criminals. That was the point for bringing that up.

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So if laws dont affect criminals, and the rest of us behave well anyway, then why do we even need laws?

durangodawood said:

So if laws dont affect criminals, and the rest of us behave well anyway, then why do we even need laws?

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Laws are a teacher and the distinguisher of what is right and wrong. Once you know the law, you are accountable to those laws, and to do what is right. But a law can only reprove or condeme what is wrong. Law cannot keep an action from occurring. It takes a moral and ethical outlook to abide by laws.

LostMarbels said:

The end. It will not be back in the news cycle. No outcries. No marches. No gun legislation. Done. All I was saying.

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You are calling attention to his race, making a commentary based on racial prejudice. If that was not the intention, then you would not have discussed his skin color. However, you did.

LostMarbels said:

Laws are a teacher and the distinguisher of what is right and wrong. Once you know the law, you are accountable to those laws, and to do what is right. But a law can only reprove or condeme what is wrong. Law cannot keep an action from occurring. It takes a moral and ethical outlook to abide by laws.

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Whoever said that law can keep an action from occurring? That's a wonderful straw man you have there, no one argued otherwise.

SummerMadness said:

You are calling attention to his race, making a commentary based on racial prejudice. If that was not the intention, then you would not have discussed his skin color. However, you did.

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That is how you take it. It is fact. A black man shoots a cop, it is a dead issue concerning the media. Likewise, black on black murder that is rampant in inner cities. This too gets a blind eye. One would wonder why these black lives do not matter.

SummerMadness said:

Whoever said that law can keep an action from occurring? That's a wonderful straw man you have there, no one argued otherwise.

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Those who believe even more legislation is going to stop violence.

LostMarbels said:

Those who believe even more legislation is going to stop violence.

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They are not party to this discussion, however.

Speedwell said:

They are not party to this discussion, however.

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Of course they are. I brought them up.

LostMarbels said:

Of course they are. I brought them up.

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But they are not posting. Why did you bring them up?

Speedwell said:

But they are not posting. Why did you bring them up?

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Because I keep stumbling on a common theme. Blame everyone except the individual that broke the law. That individual is solely responsible for his actions.

Speedwell said:

The only way he could have acquired that gun which gun law could not prevent is if he stole it from a legal owner who had taken significant steps (like a locked gunsafe) to secure the weapon and the theft reported to the police.

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Now we blame his perceived victims? He stole the weapon. He shot the cops. He is the one that already had charges from other victims.

Somehow other people are 'at fault' because this person wont follow the law.

LostMarbels said:

That is how you take it. It is fact. A black man shoots a cop, it is a dead issue concerning the media. Likewise, black on black murder that is rampant in inner cities. This too gets a blind eye. One would wonder why these black lives do not matter.

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Yeah... that is a racist sentiment. Most crime is intra-racial, so black people victimizing other black people is no different than white people victimizing other white people. Singling out "black-on-black" crime is a racist idea as it is not unique or more special than any other intra-racial crime. Likewise, arguing that the race of a man that shoots police needs to be the subject of a news story is a racist sentiment because skin color is irrelevant. Last week, Aaron Moye, Jr. was killed by Aaron Luther, a white man. What does Luther's race have to do with the story? Nothing. The media did not focus on Luther's skin color; are you suggesting that it was a "dead issue" in that case too?

The homicide rate is the lowest it's been in decades, yet the racist trope of rampant "inner city" crime persists, it's to the point that anyone that mentions "black inner cities" is obviously a person that does not live in a city. But that's another factor that exposes the racial prejudice of mentioning the shooter's skin color in this case. The race of the shooter is used as a commentary about the behavior and attitudes of all black people, as if they are all criminals. Maurice Hill is no different than Aaron Luther, so when one goes out of their way to mention Hill's race, it shows the blatant racial bias of the people that bring it up.

LostMarbels said:

Because I keep stumbling on a common theme. Blame everyone except the individual that broke the law. That individual is solely responsible for his actions.

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He is to blame, and no one says otherwise. May he spend the rest of his life in jail for it, which is what he deserves.

Now we blame his perceived victims? He stole the weapon. He shot the cops. He is the one that already had charges from other victims.

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His "perceived victims" were the cops he shot at. They deserve praise, not blame, for their courage and professionalism.

Somehow other people are 'at fault' because this person wont follow the law.

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I don't know how you reach that conclusion. We don't know how he got the gun or whether someone's carelessness was responsible or not.

Speedwell said:

He is to blame, and no one says otherwise. May he spend the rest of his life in jail for it, which is what he deserves.



His "perceived victims" were the cops he shot at. They deserve praise, not blame, for their courage and professionalism.

I don't know how you reach that conclusion. We don't know how he got the gun or whether someone's carelessness was responsible or not.

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It's the classic straw man argument. When pressed, argue that other people not party to the discussion are saying it and attack those non-existent people. It allows you to ignore what's being said in the thread and gives you cover to attack people for not defending the argument that was never made.

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Speedwell said:

I don't know how you reach that conclusion. We don't know how he got the gun or whether someone's carelessness was responsible or not.

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Consistently what is proposed is to make laws harder on individuals that are responsible to keep criminals from getting guns. This will never work. You would need a completely gunless society to achieve that.

LostMarbels said:

I will be honest. If your response is this long, I already know it is about how racist I am, and it won't be read. Thank You for sharing.

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Calling attention to the man’s race is racial bias as it is irrelevant to the story. Talking about black people in general is racial prejudice because you are judging a group by the actions of one. Perhaps some self-reflection is needed on your part; focusing on skin color, which is irrelevant to the story, is clear racial bias.

LostMarbels said:

Consistently what is proposed is to make laws harder on individuals that are responsible to keep criminals from getting guns. This will never work. You would need a completely gunless society to achieve that.

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We should eliminate speed limits also because the only way we can stop reckless speeders is to have a car-less society.

SummerMadness said:

Calling attention to the man’s race is racial bias as it is irrelevant to the story. Talking about black people in general is racial prejudice because you are judging a group by the actions of one. Perhaps some self-reflection is needed on your part; focusing on skin color, which is irrelevant to the story, is clear racial bias.

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The dude is black. The news story will be dropped. That is all I said.

SummerMadness said:

We should eliminate speed limits also because the only way we can stop reckless speeders is to have a car-less society.

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No, you are talking about taking away cars from non-speeders because speeders wont stop speeding, and if we limited the availability of cars, we could reduce speeding.