Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

The Barbarian · Aug 15, 2019

the iconoclast said:
Hey hey sir i believe this is our first acquaintance, it is a pleasure to meet you.

And likewise, good to see you.

Lets say i do not know what evolution and have no access to the internet.

Depends on your background. If you pretty much know nothing, this would be a big help:

"Despite what some other reviewers say, this is a deep and superb book on evolution. It does cover a lot of ground, but it never talks down to the reader or skimps on supporting facts. It takes a historical perspective, going chronologically through the important thinkers in the field. The cartoonish drawings might make it look like a children's book but it actually is suitable for any age, from bright 12-year-old through adult. If you are new to the subject this is an excellent introduction. But even if you know quite a bit about evolution this book will fill in the blanks and give you a better sense of the history and bibliography of the subject."
https://www.amazon.com/Get-Grip-Evolution-David-Burnie/dp/0737000368

If you have a slightly better understanding of science, and a longer attention span, you could get this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41qAdrPVFlL._SX311_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

If you're pretty well read in biology and you have a really good attention span, you might go to this:

This one, while no page-turner, is about as detailed and complete a summary of evolution as you can find in one tome. I'm still getting through it.
https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Ev...utionary+theory&qid=1565872612&s=books&sr=1-1

What is evolution

A change in allele frequency in a population over time.

and how is it constantly observed?

Since every organism is different from every other of its kind, each birth and death in a population produces a change in allele frequencies.

The problem for understanding is people (often in complete innocence) conflate evolution, with agencies of evolution like natural selection and mutation, with consequences of evolution, like common descent. And of course, evolutionary theory isn't evolution; it's the theory that best explains the phenomenon.

Ps dont be shy my dear

Well, you know how diffident barbarians are...

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

The Barbarian said:
The Barbarian said: ↑
Constantly. Do you know what evolution is?

Actually, it's "a change in allele frequency in a population over time." So you're pretty close. You used Darwin's original definition, but the re-discovery of genetics led to a more precise one.

I cannot agree since our DNA was changed when Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the prehistoric people (sons of God) who had been on the present Earth for millions of years before the Ark arrived. Genesis 6:4 They had descended from the common ancestor of Apes but they were NOT Humans (descendants of Adam). The combination of Humans and prehistoric people changed the animal intelligence of the sons of God into Human intelligence.

The Barbarian said:
Ironically, it was first used by Darwin, in a statement expressing his belief that God created the first living things:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species, 1872

One correction. God did NOT speak all animals into being since Lord God/Jesus made Humans, birds, the beasts of the field and creeping things temporarily. ALL of the creatures shaped and formed by the Hands of Jesus are temporary creations. That is WHY Humans MUST be born again by God the Trinity in order to become eternal. Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 5:1-2 Darwin obviously didn't know the difference between "living" creatures and Humans.

The Barbarian said:
We don't have the intelligence of God. We are God-like in knowing good and evil, and in being living souls. God gives each of us a soul directly, not by nature. So evolution isn't part of that.

Jesus tells us that Adam was made in a perfect body, in His likeness, and with the ability to know good and evil, Genesis 3:22 which is important since Human destiny is to rule Heaven. Genesis 1:28 One of the names of God is The Judges.

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

JackRT said:
I am not sure if that is science fiction or fantasy.

It's God's Truth Scripturally, scientifically, genetically, mathematically and in every other way. Humans are God's fallen children and MUST be born again Spiritually.

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

pitabread said:
I keep suggesting he should write a screenplay.

I'm not a writer. I just read Genesis for what it says instead of what some ancient Hebrew thought it said, more than 3k years ago. God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis. The only way anyone can understand Genesis 1 is to alive in the last days of this Earth.

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

Kylie said:
But do you understand what it is? Do you understand the concept behind it, or is this dictionary definition all you've got?

I know exactly what it is but the scientific Theory of evolution is wrong and cannot explain how or when prehistoric people inherited their Human (descendant of Adam) intelligence. NO one can seem to explain. Can you?

Jimmy D · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
I just read Genesis for what it says

Priceless!

Aman777 said:
God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis.

And no one in the history of humanity has revealed that truth.... until Aman777.

Pull the other one.

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

JackRT said:
That Scientific American article was extremely informative. Thanks.

The article is obviously false since Humans (descendants of Adam) don't evolve intelligence. They are either born with an intelligence like God's Genesis 3:22 or NOT. You have confused the sons of God, prehistoric people who evolved from WATER, with the descendants of Adam who was made from the dust of the GROUND. Genesis 2:7

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said: ↑
I just read Genesis for what it says

Jimmy D said:
Priceless!

Want to try and refute my Scriptural view? Of course not since you know that you cannot support your Scriptural view. Amen?

pitabread · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
I'm not a writer.

You need to give yourself more credit.

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

pitabread said:
You need to give yourself more credit.

My point is that God told the complete 7 Day History of His creation of the perfect Heaven, in the first 34 verses of Genesis, not me. The 7th Day is Eternity.

JackRT · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
My point is that God told the complete 7 Day History of His creation of the perfect Heaven, in the first 34 verses of Genesis, not me. The 7th Day is Eternity.

You might find it interesting to learn that modern Biblical scholarship has concluded that Genesis 1 was written about 400 years after Genesis 2 and following.

Jimmy D · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
The article is obviously false since Humans (descendants of Adam) don't evolve intelligence. They are either born with an intelligence like God's Genesis 3:22 or NOT. You have confused the sons of God, prehistoric people who evolved from WATER, with the descendants of Adam who was made from the dust of the GROUND. Genesis 2:7

“Obviously false”, what a vacuous response.

You didn’t even read it, it made no mention of human evolution.

It’s clear some humans didn’t evolve intelligence though.

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

JackRT said:
You might find it interesting to learn that modern Biblical scholarship has concluded that Genesis 1 was written about 400 years after Genesis 2 and following.

God, the invisible Spirit of Love, is not affected by the movement of the Stars within our Cosmos. It doesn't matter to the Holy Spirit, the Author of ALL Scripture, since He can tell us the future, present and past and NEVER proclaim anything which is untrue. He's the Spirit of Truth and He loves to conceal a thing, like the creation story, from anyone except they be born again or created Spiritually in God's Image, who is Christ, the only God ever formed physically or ever will be.

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, (YHWH/Jesus) and there is none else, there is no God beside Me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known Me: Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is NONE else.

Jesus IS Lord. 1Co 12:3

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

Jimmy D said:
“Obviously false”, what a vacuous response.

How does mindless Nature install the superior intelligence of God Genesis 3:22 into Apes? What a vacuous belief.

Jimmy D said:
You didn’t even read it, it made no mention of human evolution.

It’s clear some humans didn’t evolve intelligence though.

None of us do, or we could close all the Schools. Humans (descendants of Adam) are born with the ABILITY to choose between good and evil or to reason, to judge. Only God, Adam, and his descendants have INHERITED this ability. That is why No one here can tell us of another way to change the intelligence of mankind. Can you?

JackRT · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
He's the Spirit of Truth and He loves to conceal a thing, like the creation story, from anyone except they be born again or created Spiritually in God's Image

Is this an interpretation of yours or was it revealed to you?

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

JackRT said:
Is this an interpretation of yours or was it revealed to you?

It's what is actually written, from the Supreme Intelligence we call God. That's why I post supporting Scripture, along with the agreement of science, history, genetics and math. I don't hide anything. It's all there for everyone to see, Christians or NOT, in the present last days. We are privileged indeed to be alive at this time.

I list the agreement of Scripture with other views such as History which records the arrival of Humans (descendants of Adam) on this Planet of Apes. This one records the FIRST Human farming on this Planet. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE It happened in Northern Mesopotamia in the valleys just SW of Lake Van, Turkey where Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat 11k years ago.

JackRT · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
This one records the FIRST Human farming on this Planet. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to. 4500 BCE It happened in Northern Mesopotamia in the valleys just SW of Lake Van, Turkey where Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat 11k years ago.

Noah at 11,000YBP while the Flood was 4300 YBP ??? We also don't know with any certainty that agriculture originated in the Fertile Crescent. Other likely locations are India and China.

Aman777 · Aug 15, 2019

JackRT said:
Noah at 11,000YBP while the Flood was 4300 YBP ??? We also don't know with any certainty that agriculture originated in the Fertile Crescent. Other likely locations are India and China.

The flood was above the mountains on Adam's Earth, 5 months after the flood began. Genesis 7:20-24 The Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day or 5 months after the flood began. Genesis 8:4 If the flood was on the date you list, it would have left water marks on the Pyramids at 22.5 feet. Genesis 7:20

The reason it is hard to tell when Human agriculture began is that the Lord scattered Noah's descendants over the whole Earth from Babel. They married and produced children with the people who had been on Earth for millions of years before the Ark arrived. The only way this could have happened is for the Lord to scatter them, since there was NO transportation system on Earth, 11k years ago.

The flood totally destroyed 2 Peter 3:6 Adam's firmament/Heaven. It is at the bottom of Lake Van, covered in 11k years of volcanic debris. Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" Isaiah 24:19 into the no outlet Lake. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake EXACTLY as God told us at the same time Adam's Earth sank to the bottom of the Lake on the 150th day/5 months after the flood began. Amen?

pitabread · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
That is why No one here can tell us of another way to change the intelligence of mankind.

Evolution of the brain - Wikipedia

JackRT · Aug 15, 2019

Aman777 said:
The flood was above the mountains on Adam's Earth, 5 months after the flood began. Genesis 7:20-24 The Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day or 5 months after the flood began. Genesis 8:4 If the flood was on the date you list, it would have left water marks on the Pyramids at 22.5 feet. Genesis 7:20

The reason it is hard to tell when Human agriculture began is that the Lord scattered Noah's descendants over the whole Earth from Babel. They married and produced children with the people who had been on Earth for millions of years before the Ark arrived. The only way this could have happened is for the Lord to scatter them, since there was NO transportation system on Earth, 11k years ago.

The flood totally destroyed 2 Peter 3:6 Adam's firmament/Heaven. It is at the bottom of Lake Van, covered in 11k years of volcanic debris. Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" Isaiah 24:19 into the no outlet Lake. This released the 450 ft long Ark into the Lake EXACTLY as God told us at the same time Adam's Earth sank to the bottom of the Lake on the 150th day/5 months after the flood began. Amen?

Very inventive. The problem is that there is a total lack of physical evidence for most of what you speculate. For example, there is no evidence for a world wide flood. There is, however, plenty of evidence for some very large local floods .

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