Can Christians lose their salvation?
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Guojing
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Maybe a better way for me to understand your thought process is this scenario that is common during the majority of the OT.
If a Jew during the ot rejected circumcision and refused to sacrifice animals every time he sinned, and just believe sincerely that “I put my faith in God/Jesus”, will he be saved spiritually?
If your answer turns out to be the same, that if he truly have the faith, he will be circumcised and offer animals every time they sinned, then I can conclude that your definition of faith includes works.
If that is how you maintain your belief that its faith alone that saves, okay I will have a clearer idea about your thinking process.
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LoveofTruth
Christ builds His church from within us
He didn’t tell Abel either to have faith either but he did
Without faith it is impossible to please him. In faith God works in us and the works witness to the inner life in Christ.
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LoveofTruth
Christ builds His church from within us
The OT saints were saved the same way by grace through faith in God’s righteousness and provision.
But they were under the bondage of the law and required to do certain things. If they did not God would judge their hearts .
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LoveofTruth
Christ builds His church from within us
To clarify, David ate the shewbread and went into the holy place without blood and did not die or be immediately condemned by God. Was David lost when he did that?
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Were the Jews of the OT saved by merely keeping the Law (including circumcision and sacrifice) ?
Amos 5
21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.
24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.
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Our christian WORKS SHOW our FAITH to other men and women, ... but God knows the heart.
1 Samuel 16
7b For the Lord sees not as man sees. Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
Paul says that salvation is by GRACE, through FAITH, and NOT OF WORKS, ... though FAITH will result in WORKS.
Ephesians 2
8 For BY GRACE are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God:
9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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Guojing
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Do you know what God said to Cain in Genesis 4:7? Did he ask him to believe right, or rather, to do right?
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
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LoveofTruth
Christ builds His church from within us
They were judged for the consequences of not abiding by the bondage of the law they were in bondage to it. But in their hearts God judged. They had to walk in the order of God and there were consequences for actions .
For example a person may have a death penalty for a certain action but if they repented and had faith God looks at their heart even if they are put to death physically. But if I’m their heart they hated and murdered and in the flesh did not do so they are still as a murderer before God.
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yeshuaslavejeff
simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Not by works, but by choice - by will.
As in choose today who you will serve.
Tomorrow, if you choose the other, no one will stop you.
Also, why so many stern warnings TO EKKLESIA (born again set apart by Yahuweh)
if
the stern warnings are for no purpose ?
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