Faithfulness vs belief (pistos)

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Acts, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence, or pisteuo in the Greek look like this.

When you went to sleep last night. Did you check to make sure there was enough oxygen in the room for the night? No, you fulfilled an act, got in bed, based upon a Belief, there was sufficient oxygen, sustained by confidence, by falling asleep. Your life was accually depending on this action.

When you drove you car through the intersection today. When you drove through the green light, did you check to make sure the guy who had the red light was going to stop? No, you fulfilled an act, drove through the intersection, based upon the belief, that the guy with the red light would stop, sustained by confidence, by driving through the intersection. Your life was actually resting on this action.

I could give you hundreds of examples of pisteuo we fulfill every day. Each one is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

Pisteuo, the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, iin relationship to the living God, is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.
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Rom. 1:17, Gal. 3:11, Heb. 10:38 are all telling us the righteous shall live by faith. Based on Habbukuk 2:4, the just shall live by faith. The word for faith used in the original Hebrew is most often translated faithfulness. I've dealt with this before.

I have no problem with the righteous living by (His) Faith (God's). I don't think the faith in Romans 1 is our faith. I take more of the Septuagint approach. Also contextually the "faith" in Habakkuk from which Paul quotes should be understood as God's faithfulness. Looking on the context I say that because the impending doom coming upon the city the Prophet is given the word to strengthen the righteous. The righteous (because of their righteousness/loyalty) will live because of (mou;Greek my) faith.
Also translators today do understand the "faith" in Abraham's situation to be that of loyalty.

"Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD considered his response of faith as proof of genuine loyalty." NET
 
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Acts, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence, or pisteuo in the Greek look like this.

When you went to sleep last night. Did you check to make sure there was enough oxygen in the room for the night? No, you fulfilled an act, got in bed, based upon a Belief, there was sufficient oxygen, sustained by confidence, by falling asleep. Your life was accually depending on this action.

When you drove you car through the intersection today. When you drove through the green light, did you check to make sure the guy who had the red light was going to stop? No, you fulfilled an act, drove through the intersection, based upon the belief, that the guy with the red light would stop, sustained by confidence, by driving through the intersection. Your life was actually resting on this action.

I could give you hundreds of examples of pisteuo we fulfill every day. Each one is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

Pisteuo, the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, iin relationship to the living God, is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.
Are you following this?
I understand what you are saying but it doesn't seem to be the biblical usage, I don't think. Would you use some biblical texts to show me why you think the authors used it your way?
 
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Rom. 1:17, Gal. 3:11, Heb. 10:38 are all telling us the righteous shall live by faith. Based on Habbukuk 2:4, the just shall live by faith. The word for faith used in the original Hebrew is most often translated faithfulness. I've dealt with this before.
Also if you want to understand more of where I am coming from in how I understand Romans I have some incomplete commentary on my blog (Link Below)

Exegetical Commentary on Romans (Incomplete) – Discussing the Doctrines
 
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Also if you want to understand more of where I am coming from in how I understand Romans I have some incomplete commentary on my blog (Link Below)

Exegetical Commentary on Romans (Incomplete) – Discussing the Doctrines

I'm trying to make a point first. And to be honest, I'm not sure your following.

This is my point.
Pistis is the Greek word and noun where we get our English word Faith. The corresponding verb to the noun Pistis is pisteuo. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

Pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language when the translators chose the words believe, believer, and believing. The words the English language should have had for the translators are faithe, faither,and faithing.

Now remember, pisteuo and a verb are acts, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The word believe, used 248 times in the NT is only a part of what true saving Faith or pisteuo is. Taken on it's own is error.

Are you interested in what NT saving Faith is? What true NT pisteuo is?
 
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I'm trying to make a point first. And to be honest, I'm not sure your following.

This is my point.
Pistis is the Greek word and noun where we get our English word Faith. The corresponding verb to the noun Pistis is pisteuo. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

Pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language when the translators chose the words believe, believer, and believing. The words the English language should have had for the translators are faithe, faither,and faithing.

Now remember, pisteuo and a verb are acts, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The word believe, used 248 times in the NT is only a part of what true saving Faith or pisteuo is. Taken on it's own is error.

Are you interested in what NT saving Faith is? What true NT pisteuo is?
I am. Can you engage with what I am saying too?
 
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I could ask you the same thing. I have studied if for myself if that is what you are asking. Check out my blog post with my reasonings if you think I am just repeating something I heard. No offense, but I all have received from you so far, for the most part, is you trying to lead me through a method of understanding your view on it. That's fine but can we can interact with the authors usage?
 
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I could ask you the same thing. I have studied if for myself if that is what you are asking. Check out my blog post with my reasonings if you think I am just repeating something I heard. No offense, but I all have received from you so far, for the most part, is you trying to lead me through a method of understanding your view on it. That's fine but can we can interact with the authors usage?

I look for certain kinds of people. And I don't find them very often, but they stick out to me because they ask the right question.
Your OP, though the use of pistos instead of Pistis or pisteuo kind of spoke for itself, was the right question!

Since you don't seem to be able to see the difference between my view of understanding, and the facts about an understanding, I'm not willing to go any further.

Don't stop seeking Him. But ask Him to show you the path .
 
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I look for certain kinds of people. And I don't find them very often, but they stick out to me because they ask the right question.
Your OP, though the use of pistos instead of Pistis or pisteuo kind of spoke for itself, was the right question!

Since you don't seem to be able to see the difference between my view of understanding, and the facts about an understanding, I'm not willing to go any further.

Don't stop seeking Him. But ask Him to show you the path .

Friend whether its pistos, pisteou, or pisits it really doesn't make a difference to me. Personally I don't see language as that formal. To me we formalize based on how it is used. I am not sure if you were trying to help me or anyone else when you say things like you said. Just because I didn't answer your questions in a 1 2 3 manner doesn't mean I can't treck along with your understanding.

All I am saying is during the discussion you were doing all of the talking and I was more interested in two people having a discussion. Both sides being heard you know?
 
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Friend whether its pistos, pisteou, or pisits it really doesn't make a difference to me. Personally I don't see language as that formal. To me we formalize based on how it is used. I am not sure if you were trying to help me or anyone else when you say things like you said. Just because I didn't answer your questions in a 1 2 3 manner doesn't mean I can't treck along with your understanding.

All I am saying is during the discussion you were doing all of the talking and I was more interested in two people having a discussion. Both sides being heard you know?

It's cool druth. Sometimes you gotta know when to just listen. The fact you didn't have the desire to do that tells me your not ready yet.
 
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I have no problem with the righteous living by (His) Faith (God's). I don't think the faith in Romans 1 is our faith. I take more of the Septuagint approach. Also contextually the "faith" in Habakkuk from which Paul quotes should be understood as God's faithfulness. Looking on the context I say that because the impending doom coming upon the city the Prophet is given the word to strengthen the righteous. The righteous (because of their righteousness/loyalty) will live because of (mou;Greek my) faith.
Also translators today do understand the "faith" in Abraham's situation to be that of loyalty.

"Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD considered his response of faith as proof of genuine loyalty." NET
Faith and faithfulness are synonomous. Of course we live, breath and endure based on the on who loved us and gave himself for us. Hab. 2:4 is a foundational verse in reformed thinking. But it has a richer meaning then you will see on the surface.
 
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Hey all

I was wondering if anyone here was working with the concept that faith (pistos) in the Greek is used to mean faithfulness rather than just one time belief. What I mean is instead of just a one time belief, understanding rather that faith as used by the Biblical authors has the idea of loyalty and faithfulness. There have been some authors out there who have written about it such as Matthew Bates or others. I think the Biblical authors had the idea of more than just one time belief.

Anyone want to discuss and think similar?
I wonder how many people today really see it as a one-time event, rather than a walk with God, remaining in Christ and He in us. Col 1:23 also speaks of continuing in the faith.
 
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