Sanctification - Justification - Redemption

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When Christ anoints/indwells/seals us with his Holy Spirit we are sanctified/set apart for a prestly work Eph 2:10 that continues throughout our life. Again, no contradiction stated.

Maybe then what you should have done from the OP is what you have just posted here.

What it sounded like you were saying is, our Sanctification is a life long PROCESS, as so many other people say, we have to walk out our Sanctification, ie, keep being Sanctified, until we are fully Sanctified.

Thanks finally for your Clarification.

Yes Once Sanctified Always Sanctified. = (OSAS) kind of reminds me of something else, what could it have been? :scratch:
 
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Sorry, we were both posting at the same time and got crossed up.

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It's not until after, thru faith, we apply/appropriate Christ shed blood. That Christ anoints/indwells/saves & sanctifies us with His Holy Spirit.

I therefore go back to my original post and question #15 below.

What is the purpose and the function of Baptism in the life of the Believer.

In relation to Justification, Redemption, Sanctification where is Baptism located? ie, .... Mar. 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 
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What is the purpose and the function of Baptism in the life of the Believer.


Water baptism is an outward emblem we undergo that proclaims our inner regeneration.

Emblem: a symbolic representation of a particular quality or concept.

The true one baptism (Eph 4:5) is when Christ baptizes/indwells/anoints us with the eternal seal of His Holy Spirit. Christ & Christ alone can do this (Matt 3:11)

FINALLY
Col 2:10 You are complete (perfect) in Christ, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the ""circumcision made without hands"", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: Only Christ can perform the spiritual surgery/circumcision of baptism. Done via the Holy Spirit without hands.)

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Spirit is capitalized showing deity. By one Spirit ALL are baptized into one body. ALL made to drink into one Spirit. Only Christ can perform the spiritual surgery/circumcision of baptism. Done in the Holy Spirit)

By one Spirit = the Holy Spirit we are baptized into the Body of Christ. Only Christ can perform the spiritual/surgery circumcision of baptism. Done in/by the Holy Spirit without hands.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Water baptism is an emblem of the true spiritual baptism/circumcision. Done only by Christ & without hands. An outwardly profession dying to self, being buried with Christ as we are submerged & of being raised together with him in new resurrection life.
 
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Water baptism is an outward emblem we undergo that proclaims our inner regeneration.

Emblem: a symbolic representation of a particular quality or concept.

The true one baptism (Eph 4:5) is when Christ baptizes/indwells/anoints us with the eternal seal of His Holy Spirit. Christ & Christ alone can do this (Matt 3:11)

FINALLY
Col 2:10 You are complete (perfect) in Christ, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the ""circumcision made without hands"", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: Only Christ can perform the spiritual surgery/circumcision of baptism. Done via the Holy Spirit without hands.)

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Spirit is capitalized showing deity. By one Spirit ALL are baptized into one body. ALL made to drink into one Spirit. Only Christ can perform the spiritual surgery/circumcision of baptism. Done in the Holy Spirit)

By one Spirit = the Holy Spirit we are baptized into the Body of Christ. Only Christ can perform the spiritual/surgery circumcision of baptism. Done in/by the Holy Spirit without hands.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Water baptism is an emblem of the true spiritual baptism/circumcision. Done only by Christ & without hands. An outwardly profession dying to self, being buried with Christ as we are submerged & of being raised together with him in new resurrection life.

Does this mean to you, that you are Dead indeed unto Sin, or is it just a symbolic image, not based in any reality for the Believer.
 
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Does this mean to you, that you are Dead indeed unto Sin, or is it just a symbolic image, not based in any reality for the Believer.

Although, once "In Christ" I'm no longer sins slave. As long as I'm in this fleshly body I will cont to make mistakes. The good new is my slips/misses/sin mistakes are ALL imputed onto Christ. Not because of my great works, but, because of His great faithful sin atoning work. And His righteousness is imputed onto me. Not because of how great & wonderful I am, but because of how great & wonderful Christ is.

John 12
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground & die, "it abideth alone":
"but if it die", "it bringeth forth much fruit"

Although you were already saved by Grace thru faith. & have a secure place in Gods Heavenly Kingdon. You will not produce an abundance of Good fruits until you have been Baptised & taken part with Christ in His death, burial & resurrection

You can't baptize yourself. All things by a witness of 2 or 3. This is to be made as a public outwardly statement. Jesus didn't suffer in hiding. His death, burial & resurrection were ALL public spectacle
Conclusion:

Like a corn of wheat or an apple seed. The seed is planted, it must first die, then with the soil, water & sunlight (for us faith, word & spirit). It begins to rise. At first it has no fruit. With proper care, it grows into a field or a tree which bears much good fruit.
 
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At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/saved & sanctified.
Then it isn't a life long process.

Here is what the OP stated:
KJV Dictionary Definition: SANCTIFICA'TION, n. The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose; consecration.
Which, like for the vessels in the OT temple, happens when the blood of the sacrifice is applied to a person. (Heb 10:10)

So, to sanctify, something is to set it apart for special use. The moment we believe/trust place our faith in Christ's Sin atoning death, burial & resurrection. God saves (justifies), seal's us with His Holy Spirit) & sanctifies (sets us apart, for a work/mission Eph 2:10)
You will need additional verses to make the "at the moment" claim.
And again, not a life long process.

At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/saved & sanctified.
Please provide the verses stating that.

Our salvation is forever secure. Sanctification is a process that continues, until our final redemption. When we meet the Lord & receive a new incorruptible/heavenly body.
That contradicts your "at the moment of" theory.

We are - sanctified/set apart for a sacred purpose/work at the same moment we are saved/indwellt with the Holy Spirit. The sanctification process (set apart for a sacred purpose/work) continues until life's end Respectfully, I see no contradiction.
Pick one...
Sanctification happens at the moment...
OR
Sanctification is a life long...
Either way, sanctification happens when we are "immersed" into Christ's death, burial, and raised with Him to walk in newness of life...baptism. (Rom 6:3-7)
That is where the blood of Christ is applied to us for our atonement, sanctification, and justification.

You are confusing sanctification with the works we do after our sanctification.
 
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Although, once "In Christ" I'm no longer sins slave. As long as I'm in this fleshly body I will cont to make mistakes. The good new is my slips/misses/sin mistakes are ALL imputed onto Christ. Not because of my great works, but, because of His great faithful sin atoning work. And His righteousness is imputed onto me. Not because of how great & wonderful I am, but because of how great & wonderful Christ is.
Why not crucify that old man, with the affections and lusts? (Rom 6:3-6, Gal 5:24)
No lusts...no sin. (James 1:14-15)
BTW, God knows the unrighteous are NOT righteous...and will not lie about it either.
It is the unsanctified who are also unrighteous.
 
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Then it isn't a life long process.


Which, like for the vessels in the OT temple, happens when the blood of the sacrifice is applied to a person. (Heb 10:10)


You will need additional verses to make the "at the moment" claim.
And again, not a life long process.


Please provide the verses stating that.


That contradicts your "at the moment of" theory.


Pick one...
Sanctification happens at the moment...
OR
Sanctification is a life long...
Either way, sanctification happens when we are "immersed" into Christ's death, burial, and raised with Him to walk in newness of life...baptism. (Rom 6:3-7)
That is where the blood of Christ is applied to us for our atonement, sanctification, and justification.

You are confusing sanctification with the works we do after our sanctification.

I respect your opinion, but, clearly we disagree. Again my position is at the moment Christ indwells/baptizes us with His Holy Spirit (no hands, no water used) the sanctification process (we are set apart for a sacred/work) begins & this process continues until we meet the Lord in person & receive our incorruptible heavenly bodies. No need to pick one & no contradiction was offered. Best wishes...
 
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I respect your opinion, but, clearly we disagree. Again my position is at the moment Christ indwells/baptizes us with His Holy Spirit (no hands, no water used) the sanctification process (we are set apart for a sacred/work) begins & this process continues until we meet the Lord in person & receive our incorruptible heavenly bodies. No need to pick one & no contradiction was offered. Best wishes...
There is no process.
After one turns permanently from sin and gets water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins...into Christ and into His death, burial, and resurrection, he has had the sanctifying, atoning blood applied to his vessel.
It is clean of all past sin and ready for occupancy by the Holy Ghost- the baptism done by God.
It is sanctified.
Your use of the word "process" indicates that you believe there is more to be done in order to be eventually sanctified.
Why do you think there is more to be done?
 
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There is no process.
After one turns permanently from sin and gets water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins...into Christ and into His death, burial, and resurrection, he has had the sanctifying, atoning blood applied to his vessel.
It is clean of all past sin and ready for occupancy by the Holy Ghost- the baptism done by God.
It is sanctified.
Your use of the word "process" indicates that you believe there is more to be done in order to be eventually sanctified.
Why do you think there is more to be done?

The OP included KJB definition of sanctification. I've added their definition for consecration

KJV Dictionary Definition: SANCTIFICA'TION, n.
The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose; consecration.

KJV Dictionary Definition: CONSECRATION, n.
1. The act or ceremony of separating form a common to a sacred use, or of devoting and dedicating a person or thing to the service and worship of God, by certain rites or solemnities. Consecration does not make a person or thing really holy, but declares it to be sacred, that is, devoted to God or to divine service; as the consecration of the priests among the Israelites; the consecration of the vessels used in the temple; the consecration of a bishop.

Finally, the OP said this as well. I stand behind both statements. Of course people are allowed to disagree.

At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/SAVED (DONE DEAL). Our salvation is forever secure. Also, at this same point in time: Salvation/receiving the eternal seal, God's indwelling Holy Spirit, we are also SANCTIFIED (set apart for a sacred purpose) BOTH at the same time.

However, Sanctification is a process, that continues, "which we must work through" (Phil 2:12) until the day of our final redemption. When we meet the Lord & receive a new incorruptible/heavenly body.
 
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The OP included KJB definition of sanctification. I've added their definition for consecration
KJV Dictionary Definition: SANCTIFICA'TION, n.
The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose; consecration.
The "act" is our water baptism into Christ's death, where His atoning sanctifying blood is applied to our bodies.
It need not happen continually or gradually.

KJV Dictionary Definition: CONSECRATION, n.
1. The act or ceremony of separating form a common to a sacred use, or of devoting and dedicating a person or thing to the service and worship of God, by certain rites or solemnities. Consecration does not make a person or thing really holy, but declares it to be sacred, that is, devoted to God or to divine service; as the consecration of the priests among the Israelites; the consecration of the vessels used in the temple; the consecration of a bishop.
Your doubt is exposed, with..."Consecration does not make a person or thing really holy,"
If you believe that instead of what the bible says you have guaranteed you will never be sanctified.

Finally, the OP said this as well. I stand behind both statements. Of course people are allowed to disagree.
At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/SAVED (DONE DEAL). Our salvation is forever secure. Also, at this same point in time: Salvation/receiving the eternal seal, God's indwelling Holy Spirit, we are also SANCTIFIED (set apart for a sacred purpose) BOTH at the same time.
It's really a moot point, as our salvation won't be assured till after the final judgement. (Matt 7:22-23)

However, Sanctification is a process, that continues, "which we must work through" (Phil 2:12) until the day of our final redemption. When we meet the Lord & receive a new incorruptible/heavenly body.
You are separating sanctification from justification.
You stated above that we are sanctified when we when we are given the gift of the Holy Ghost, but then change your mind and say it is a continuing process.
Make up your mind!
Both happen at our water baptism, done after a true turn from sin.
 
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The "act" is our water baptism into Christ's death, where His atoning sanctifying blood is applied to our bodies.
It need not happen continually or gradually.


Your doubt is exposed, with..."Consecration does not make a person or thing really holy,"
If you believe that instead of what the bible says you have guaranteed you will never be sanctified.


It's really a moot point, as our salvation won't be assured till after the final judgement. (Matt 7:22-23)


You are separating sanctification from justification.
You stated above that we are sanctified when we when we are given the gift of the Holy Ghost, but then change your mind and say it is a continuing process.
Make up your mind!
Both happen at our water baptism, done after a true turn from sin.

1st: Water baptism isn't where the blood is applied.

2ndly: I have ZERO doubts to what I posted.

3rdly: I separated sanctification from justification because they are two different transactions. I explained this multiple times. Although, each begins at the same time. Justification is immediate & eternal. Sanctification is a ongoing process. Its our service to Christ that we are set apart to do.

Baptism of repentance: Is for Nation of Israel only; under the Gospel of the Kingdom message:
(NOTE: Baptism of REPENTANCE was John the Baptist ministry for the Nation of Israel only. A call of Repentance from breaking covenant with the LORD Jeremiah 31:32. John's water baptism here is a Jewish purification/cleansing doctrine preparing themselves (Mal 3:1, Matt 3:3, Mar 1:3) for the soon coming prophesied & promised Messiah. Thru whom remission/pardon of sin would be provided.

John the Baptist proclaimed:

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit:
(NOTE: John Baptized with water. The coming Messiah will Baptize with the Holy Spirit)

NOTE: Translators Capitalized Spirit in the beginning & end of the 1 Cor 12:13 signifying deity.

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Baptized BY one "SPIRIT" = Holy Spirit. Into one body = The Body of Christ. And no water is used)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision "made without hands", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: A circumcision "made without hands")

Deut 30:6 (A) The LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart

Matt 3:11 & Luke 3:16: The baptism into Christ's body via the Holy Spirit. Is a covenant of spiritual circumcision. Done by Christ & ONLY Christ. And done ""Spiritually"" without hands & without water


Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

(NOTE: These gentiles REPENTED FROM NOTHING, HADN'T BEEN WATER BAPTIZED, they had brought no temple sacrifice, hadn't obeyed any Mosaic laws etc.

By/thru Faith & Faith alone they were FOREVER SEALED with/by God's Holy Spirit. A Spiritual baptism/circumcision, done without hands: Col 2:11, done by Christ & Christ alone Matt 3:11)

Water baptism DOESN'T remove sin, law keeping DOESN'T remove sin, obedience DOESN'T remove sin, repentance DOESN'T remove sin, tithing DOESN'T remove sin etc.

Faith & faith alone, placed in the sacrificial sin redemptive WORK of Christ can remove sin!

Finally, the blood is applied when Christ indwells/pours out His Holy Spirit onto/into us.
 
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Sanctification is a ongoing process. Its our service to Christ that we are set apart to do.

All of the implements of the Temple were made with the purpose in mind, for which they were to be used, this was before they were Sanctified and set aside for such use as they were made for.

WE are set apart through the Process of our Sanctification, this Process is our Baptism, where the Blood of Jesus is Applied, and the Holy Spirit Indwells the Born Again Believer.

We at that time are set aside for the Purpose for which we were Created in Christ (Made, Reborn),

Eph. 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Were the Implements of the Temple Sanctified before the Blood was Applied.

A Believer is not Sanctified before the Blood is Applied, the Blood is not Applied during the (Forgiveness phase of their Salvation) but the Blood is Applied during the (Regeneration phase which is Baptism).
 
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Scripture posted above as well as these, disagree with your stated position


2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us the "earnest" of the Spirit
(NOTE: God's Holy Spirit dwelling within us is the earnest. Earnest translated from the Greek word: arrabon. Also means a deposit/pledge. In modern Greek arrabona is an "engagement ring.")


Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(NOTE: Believers are SEALED with God's Holy Spirit. Christ's pledge/promise that he will come for us)

Additional support:

KJV Dictionary - Definition - FORGIV'EN = Pardoned remitted.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words: Forgiven

"to bestow a favor unconditionally," is used of the act of "forgiveness," whether Divine, Ephesians 4:32 ; Colossians 2:13 ; 3:13

(b) Romans 4:7 ; James 5:15 ; 1 John 1:9 ; 2:12. Firstly signifies the remission of the punishment due to sinful conduct, the deliverance of the sinner from the penalty Divinely, and therefore righteously, imposed. Secondly, it involves the complete removal of the cause of offense; such remission is based upon the vicarious and propitiatory sacrifice of Christ.

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
(NOTE: Eph is written to believers see Ehp 1:1. This Holy Spirit inspired scripture proclaims: That God, for Christ's sake, has ""FORGIVEN <Past Tense"" you)

1 John 2:12 (B) your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
(NOTE: your SINS-PLURAL"" have been forgiven you, for his name's sake. Not just those committed pre-conversion. You've been forgiven ALL YOUR SINS, FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE. Not because of how great & wonderful you are. ALL YOUR SINS, HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE, Because of how great & wonderful he is!)

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses
(NOTE: Col is written to believers = Col 1:2. This Holy Spirit inspired scripture proclaims: """ALL""" TRUSSPASSES/SNS FORGIVEN <Past Tense""" you)

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
(NOTE: Eph is written to believers see Ehp 1:1. This Holy Spirit inspired scripture proclaims: That God, for Christ's sake, has ""FORGIVEN <Past Tense"" you)

King James Bible dictionary say's; believers sins are PARDONED.

Vines Bible dictionary say's; the believers sin forgiveness is UNCONDITIONAL.

When the Holy Spirit reveals that to the believer, they've miss the mark/sinned & we all will. We are to thank & praise God for the forgiveness ALREADY PROVIDED via our Great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ.

Although, a believers sin may result in negative consequence. It WILL NOT result in the loss of salvation (1 Cor 3:11-15).

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 is not talking about sin. Paul was talking about works that are building on the foundation of Christ. Their works are tested by fire to reveal if they are of any value or not. This is about bearing fruit and if the fruit remained. Honestly I would suggest looking to other sources outside of the KJV. The KJV is catered to reformed theology which has been refuted by every Christian church that existed before Martin Luther and John Calvin created their own doctrines.
 
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All of the implements of the Temple were made with the purpose in mind, for which they were to be used, this was before they were Sanctified and set aside for such use as they were made for.

WE are set apart through the Process of our Sanctification, this Process is our Baptism, where the Blood of Jesus is Applied, and the Holy Spirit Indwells the Born Again Believer.

We at that time are set aside for the Purpose for which we were Created in Christ (Made, Reborn),

Eph. 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Were the Implements of the Temple Sanctified before the Blood was Applied.

A Believer is not Sanctified before the Blood is Applied, the Blood is not Applied during the (Forgiveness phase of their Salvation) but the Blood is Applied during the (Regeneration phase which is Baptism).

I spoke to this in #36 thread above
 
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I already wrote that the earnest is a down payment. The transaction is made complete upon glorification/incorruptible body. However completion of the transaction is dependent upon us making final claim by persevering in trust and obedience. That is not guaranteed. That is why Paul warned the Roman brethren to keep living according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh in Rom 8:13.
Who made the down payment? Who will claim?

Or do you see the down payment something like a signature loan?
 
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1 Corinthians 3:11-15 is not talking about sin. Paul was talking about works that are building on the foundation of Christ. Their works are tested by fire to reveal if they are of any value or not. This is about bearing fruit and if the fruit remained. Honestly I would suggest looking to other sources outside of the KJV. The KJV is catered to reformed theology which has been refuted by every Christian church that existed before Martin Luther and John Calvin created their own doctrines.

If their is no sin implications. What works are burned up?
 
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If their is no sin implications. What works are burned up?

“Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-13‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Notice the materials that are used are used to build on the foundation of Christ. We cannot build on the foundation of Christ with sin. These are referring to the quality and effort we put into our building. If our building is of no value “doesn’t bring glory to God or is unfruitful” then it is burned up and we will not receive our reward in heaven.
 
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