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BigDaddy4 said:

Ignorance must be bliss. Maybe someday the light will come on for you. Until then, you will be like a hamster on a wheel, always chasing your "keep the commandments" mantra to show your love for God, but never reaching your goal. You will always fall short.

For us Christians, we acknowledge that we will always fall short. Yet, by the grace of God, He still loves us.

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(New Testament | John 14:21 - 24)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Phoebe Ann said:

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

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You quoted: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Yes all are under the curse of the law. Every one of us is subject to the law.

You quoted: 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Correct, the law can not save us, it is by grace that we are saved after all that we can do.

You quoted: 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Correct, without Christ's atonement we would all be lost

You quoted: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Yes without faith it is impossible to please Him. However dead faith can not save. Only faith with works can save.

mmksparbud said:

This is new to me---things just keep getting worse with each truth of what they truly believe. This article is truly eye opening. Thank God people are finally questioning and seeing the truth for themselves.

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Pro tip: when you see the Tanners use ellipses in a work, find the original and check what they chopped out.

Ironhold said:

Pro tip: when you see the Tanners use ellipses in a work, find the original and check what they chopped out.

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Yah, we have to do that with all Mormon stuff. They only speak in very controlled language to cloud the truth. You are certainly free to "fill in the blanks." That is what I have to do when people say stuff about SDA. I certainly am not going to tell anyone that they should not go to anti-SDA sites. I correct what U see us in error. You can too.

Phoebe Ann said:

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LDS Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, 1981, Enrichment G, p. 395

wo unto him that has all commandments of God and transgresses them, 2 Ne. 9:27

if men keep not commandments, they cannot come where the Lord is, D&C 25:15.

those who keep commandments are washed and cleansed from sins, D&C 76:52

those who walk in obedience to commandments receive health, D&C 89:18.

those who keep commandments shall see the Lord’s face, D&C 93:1.

Saints under covenant to keep all commandments, D&C 136:2.
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Mormon Commandments of God

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(New Testament | Luke 6:46)

46 ¶ And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

(New Testament | Romans 2:8)

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

(New Testament | 2 Thessalonians 1:8 - 9)

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

(New Testament | 1 Timothy 1:9 - 11)

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

(New Testament | Titus 1:16)

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

(New Testament | Titus 3:3)

3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:17 - 18)

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Phoebe Ann said:

We rely on Him instead of expecting Him to rely on our merits(as if we had any).

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Amen!

He is the way said:

(New Testament | John 14:21 - 24)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

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Thank you for proving my point about your mantra. May your light bulb come on before it is too late!

BigDaddy4 said:

Thank you for proving my point about your mantra. May your light bulb come on before it is too late!

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I will continue to promote the keeping of the commandments because that is the whole point of learning to become like God. God gave us commandments to help us to learn to LOVE one another. Those who understand the commandments know the value of them and the reason God gave them to His children. All of the commandments are based on LOVE. God is LOVE:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:36 - 40)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(New Testament | John 13:34 - 35)

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

He is the way said:

I will continue to promote the keeping of the commandments because that is the whole point of learning to become like God. God gave us commandments to help us to learn to LOVE one another. Those who understand the commandments know the value of them and the reason God gave them to His children. All of the commandments are based on LOVE. God is LOVE:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:36 - 40)

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(New Testament | John 13:34 - 35)

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

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It is indeed very heartening to know that there are some Mormons out there, whose lightbulbs have come on!

He is the way said:

I will continue to promote the keeping of the commandments

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And your hypocrisy will keep showing up, since you have admitted that you cannot keep the commandments either.

He is the way said:

because that is the whole point of learning to become like God.

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This is a false teaching in the sense that the lds teach to "become like God" is to be "exalted" and become "a god" themselves.

You are being disingenuous and deceptive when you exclude that little factoid.

Phoebe Ann said:

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LDS Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, 1981, Enrichment G, p. 395

wo unto him that has all commandments of God and transgresses them, 2 Ne. 9:27

if men keep not commandments, they cannot come where the Lord is, D&C 25:15.

those who keep commandments are washed and cleansed from sins, D&C 76:52

those who walk in obedience to commandments receive health, D&C 89:18.

those who keep commandments shall see the Lord’s face, D&C 93:1.

Saints under covenant to keep all commandments, D&C 136:2.
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Mormon Commandments of God

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It is good that people keep the commandments so they will know God:

(New Testament | 2 Thessalonians 1:3 - 9)

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

BigDaddy4 said:

And your hypocrisy will keep showing up, since you have admitted that you cannot keep the commandments either.

This is a false teaching in the sense that the lds teach to "become like God" is to be "exalted" and become "a god" themselves.

You are being disingenuous and deceptive when you exclude that little factoid.

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I admitted that like everyone else I have sinned. I did not say that I can not keep the commandments. Everyone can keep the commandments if they put their mind to it.

He is the way said:

I admitted that like everyone else I have sinned. I did not say that I can not keep the commandments. Everyone can keep the commandments if they put their mind to it.

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Are you now saying that you can keep 100% of the commandments 100% of the time?

BigDaddy4 said:

Are you now saying that you can keep 100% of the commandments 100% of the time?

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The Bible says we can:

(New Testament | 1 John 5:2 - 3)

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Phoebe Ann said:

I know God and other Christians do, too. Jesus Himself said so.

John 10:14
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine."

There is only one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Some don't believe because they are not His sheep.

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand” (John 10:27–28).

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You quoted:
John 10:14
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine."

So how do they know Him:

(New Testament | 1 John 2:3 - 4)

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

They are not His sheep if they don't LOVE Him:

(New Testament | 1 John 2:5 - 6)

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

He is the way said:

The Bible says we can:

(New Testament | 1 John 5:2 - 3)

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

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Wasn't my question.

BigDaddy4 said:

Are you now saying that you can keep 100% of the commandments 100% of the time?

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