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So the over 100 passages in scripture that speak of the nearness of the return relative to the apostles themselves can be thrown out of our Bibles as meaningless because of how you interpret the one single passage of 2 Peter 3:9?
There is only one coming of Christ as a thief taught in scripture, and the Glorified Jesus applied that one and only thief's coming to 1st century peoples.
Your presuppositions require there be multiple Comings of Christ as a thief but scripture again, simply does not allow for it.
Rather, it's demonstrably your futurist presuppositions that have blinded you to the truth about these things.
Futurist seem to dislike Josephus and I am finally beginning to know why. He is the nail in the coffin for them..........
Revelation and the 70ad Olivet Discourse go together like white on rice....

Jer 2:26
“As the thief is ashamed when he is found out, So is the house of Israel ashamed;
They and their kings and their princes, and their priests and their prophets,

Zec 5:4 “I will send out the curse,” says the LORD of hosts;
It shall enter the house of the thief, the house of the one who swears falsely by My name.
It shall remain in the midst of his house And consume it, with its timber and stones.

Mat 23:38
“See! Your house is left to you desolate;
Luk 13:35
“See! Your house is left to you desolate;

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Rev 3:3
“Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

Rev 16:15
“Behold, I am coming as a thief.
Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength. At this critical and alarming c onjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance. A ceaseless cry of combatants was heard day and night, and yet the lamentations of mourners were still more dreadful. The consternation and terror which now prevailed induced many inhabitants to desire that a foreign foe might come, and effect their deliverance. Such was the horrible condition of the place when Titus and his army presented themselves, and encamped before Jerusalem ; but, alas ! not to deliver it from its miseries but to fulfill the prediction, and vindicate the benevolent warning of our Lord : "When ye see (he had said to his disciples) the abomination of desolation, spoken or by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place, [11] and Jerusalem surrounded by armies (or camps,)

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem,

Nevertheless, the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers, and foreigners from all parts, so that the whole nation may be considered as having been shut up in one prison, preparatory to the execution of the Divine vengeance ; and, according to Josephus this event took place suddenly ; thus, not only fulfilling the predictions of our LORD, that these calamities should come, like the swift-darting lightning" that cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the West," and " as a snare on all of them (the Jews) who dwelt upon the face of the whole earth " (Matt. xxiv. 27, and Luke xxi 35,) but justifying, also, his friendly direction, that those who fled from the place should use the utmost possible expedition.
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Revelation 18:
9 And shall be lamenting<2799> over Her and shall be grieving/smiting selves<2875> over Her the kings of the earth,
those with Her committing whoredom and indulging
whenever they may be beholding<991> the smoke of Her burning.

10 From afar<3113> having stood because of the fear of the tormenting<929> of Her saying
"Woe! woe! the great City Babylon! the strong City!
That to one hour came the judging<2920> of Thee.
 
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That depends on whether you count plants and animals.

I don't see plants and animals in Chang's, Ralph's, and Coop's studies. Do you?

In Galatians 4:28 and other passages, Isaac is presented as the spiritual model for those of us who are in Christ. Romans 9:7 is stating that being a descendant of Abraham and an Israelite is not what makes you a child of God, yet still counted for the seed.

The children of promise are counted for the seed (Romans 9:8). Galatians 4:28 identifies who the children of promise are: All believers in Christ, both Jew and Gentile, irrespective of DNA.

No one ever said that the significance of God’s choice had anything to do with genetics. But it is because of the faith and obedience of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that God has borne with the people of Israel and not wiped them out of existence.

Your whole premise has been based on the significance of bloodline. How is that different from genetics?

God wiped thousands of unfaithful disobedient people of Israel out of existence. But He preserved and blessed those of the faith and obedience of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

And He's never changed His Mind.
 
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God wiped thousands of unfaithful disobedient people of Israel out of existence. But He preserved and blessed those of the faith and obedience of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
And He's never changed His Mind.
Well in all fairness, He also had the Hebrews wipe out a few myriads of Gentile along with their livestock .......genocide on both sides

Why Did God Command the Children of Israel to Kill Every Man, Woman, and Child in the Promised Land?

That aside, The Outer Darkness appears to be a spooky place:

Mat 8:
11“And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
12 “But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness.
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Luk 13:28
“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth,
when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.
Act 3:13
“The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.

 
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While there is no denying that the global population has increased and that mixing events have decreased with increased interaction between people of different ethnicities and nationalities, as it pertains to Abraham's descendants (the line of Isaac in particular) you cannot unequivically say that all of humanity at present is descended from him unless a DNA test could be conducted on virtually every individual and the rate of mixing events could be observed.

For example, the frequency of how often Arabs marry non-Arab peoples would have to be tracked and the same with Jews marrying non-Jews and from that point on, who their off-spring marry and so forth.

Presumably you meant "...mixing events have increased with increased interaction...".

The Law of Gravity has not been, and cannot be, tested on every possible variation in elevation. Yet you, and all of us, accept it justifiably as fact.

Genetic testing reveals Abrahamic DNA in a plethora of heretofore unexpected occurrences, with more appearing all the time. Those results are supported in, and predicted by, the math.

Those results will only increase in scope and frequency going forward, as DNA technology continues to improve.

Why do you accept the former, but reject the latter?
 
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Well in all fairness, He also had the Hebrews wipe out a few myriads of Gentile along with their livestock .......genocide on both sides

On occasion He also used unfaithful disobedient Gentiles to wipe out unfaithful disobedient Israelites.
 
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But I do know that not everyone descends from Abraham like you have been so insisting.

Based on what evidence do you know that?

You don't know it. Rather, you assume it, because the empirical evidence is still incomplete.

Yet you accept the Law of Gravity, whose empirical evidence is also incomplete.

Why the latter, but not the former?
 
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You are misapplying their research and data and carrying it beyond the scope of their publications to defend your Preterist position. Chang's work was focused on human origins in general. Ralph and Coop's on European ancestry and descent. Nothing more nothing less.

And Abraham was of human origin.
 
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The Galatians were a Celtic people, who migrated to Anatolia. Celts were Cimmerians, who were descendants of the ten Northern tribes, who left the Caucasus region and moved across Europe.

Migrated from where; Wiki does not say. It's all part of the coverup instigated by God, to hide His Israelite people among the nations.
Whether they, now the Christian peoples; have kept their genetic heritage or not, is immaterial to us, that is God's business. What counts for us is Faith, so this argument is unfruitful and of no value.

They were fully in evidence in the Galatian church. God wasn't hiding them there. With an entire Book of the NT dedicated to them, they don't seem hidden at all.

What counts for us is Faith, so this argument is unfruitful and of no value.

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Where's that sample of Abraham's DNA to compare to?


Correct. There are LEGAL requirements indeed.
In order to be considered a "Jew", Biblically, one must follow the requirements Set forth by the LAW of Moses.
Read MOSES and his requirements. People who call themselves Jews today demonstrably do NOT keep the Law of Moses now, but instead have invented their own version of the "Law" to follow...

If you would just read Moses then you would have no confusion on this and make unsupportable claims that any people on our planet observe the Law of Moses today, and therefore are rightfully, Biblically, LEGALLY, Jews.

Nearly 1/2 of the Law of Moses required a Temple and legitimate Levitical priests just in order to observe the Law.

We know they don't keep the Law of Moses because of how many of Moses' precepts depended on Temple sacrifices and the mediation of the Levitical priesthood of Aaron, which went fully extinct at AD 70.

We know they don't keep the Law of Moses because of how few people they've stoned to death.



A "fact" you cannot supply even one quark of genetic proof to support.... hmmm

What Does scripture call people who:
1) have no verifiable genetic link to Abraham/Jacob?
2) do not Follow the Law of Moses?

Since Scripture does not ANYWHERE call people who fit that description "Jews", by what authority do you call them Jews?



Where's the DNA test that unequivocally ties ANY human alive today to Abraham?
Show us the link to that test.

Otherwise, it truly is just a "hope" of yours that you cannot demonstrate "unequivocally".


"There are LEGAL requirements indeed.
In order to be considered a "Jew", Biblically, one must follow the requirements Set forth by the LAW of Moses.
Read MOSES and his requirements. People who call themselves Jews today demonstrably do NOT keep the Law of Moses now, but instead have invented their own version of the "Law" to follow...
If you would just read Moses then you would have no confusion on this and make unsupportable claims that any people on our planet observe the Law of Moses today, and therefore are rightfully, Biblically, LEGALLY, Jews.
Nearly 1/2 of the Law of Moses required a Temple and legitimate Levitical priests just in order to observe the Law.
We know they don't keep the Law of Moses because of how many of Moses' precepts depended on Temple sacrifices and the mediation of the Levitical priesthood of Aaron, which went fully extinct at AD 70.
We know they don't keep the Law of Moses because of how few people they've stoned to death."



There is more to being Jewish than just following a religion as the following source link states in great detail:
https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v10-n01/jewish-and-christian-can-it-be/





Where's that sample of Abraham's DNA to compare to?... A "fact" you cannot supply even one quark of genetic proof to support.... hmmm

What Does scripture call people who:
1) have no verifiable genetic link to Abraham/Jacob?
2) do not Follow the Law of Moses?

Since Scripture does not ANYWHERE call people who fit that description "Jews", by what authority do you call them Jews? Where's the DNA test that unequivocally ties ANY human alive today to Abraham?
Show us the link to that test.

Otherwise, it truly is just a "hope" of yours that you cannot demonstrate "unequivocally".




What nation and people descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?


By what lineage did the Messiah come into the world?

Of what people and nation did the Church have its origins?


Of what people and nation was first given the scriptures by which we receive the knowledge of God?


Of what people and nation was the Gospel first given?


What people was the promised-land given to?


What people did God promise to preserve forever?


What nation did God guarantee would abide forever?






And as for the genetics ties to Abraham, here are some sources that might shed some light on the matter:



DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage
 
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"There are LEGAL requirements indeed.

In order to be considered a "Jew", Biblically, one must follow the requirements Set forth by the LAW of Moses.
Read MOSES and his requirements. People who call themselves Jews today demonstrably do NOT keep the Law of Moses now, but instead have invented their own version of the "Law" to follow...


If you would just read Moses then you would have no confusion on this and make unsupportable claims that any people on our planet observe the Law of Moses today, and therefore are rightfully, Biblically, LEGALLY, Jews.

Nearly 1/2 of the Law of Moses required a Temple and legitimate Levitical priests just in order to observe the Law.

We know they don't keep the Law of Moses because of how many of Moses' precepts depended on Temple sacrifices and the mediation of the Levitical priesthood of Aaron, which went fully extinct at AD 70.

We know they don't keep the Law of Moses because of how few people they've stoned to death."



There is more to being Jewish than just following a religion as the following source link states in great detail:
https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v10-n01/jewish-and-christian-can-it-be/





Where's that sample of Abraham's DNA to compare to?... A "fact" you cannot supply even one quark of genetic proof to support.... hmmm

What Does scripture call people who:
1) have no verifiable genetic link to Abraham/Jacob?
2) do not Follow the Law of Moses?

Since Scripture does not ANYWHERE call people who fit that description "Jews", by what authority do you call them Jews? Where's the DNA test that unequivocally ties ANY human alive today to Abraham?
Show us the link to that test.

Otherwise, it truly is just a "hope" of yours that you cannot demonstrate "unequivocally".



What nation and people descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?


By what lineage did the Messiah come into the world?

Of what people and nation did the Church have its origins?


Of what people and nation was first given the scriptures by which we receive the knowledge of God?


Of what people and nation was the Gospel first given?


What people was the promised-land given to?


What people did God promise to preserve forever?


What nation did God guarantee would abide forever?






And as for the genetics ties to Abraham, here are some sources that might shed some light on the matter:



DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage


It is rare on this forum to find a person who provides links which prove their arguments are wrong, and the other person is correct.

Many of your links above prove that Brother JGR is correct, and prove that you are wrong about how the DNA of Abraham has been mixed into modern populations.


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So the over 100 passages in scripture that speak of the nearness of the return relative to the apostles themselves can be thrown out of our Bibles as meaningless because of how you interpret the one single passage of 2 Peter 3:9?

Really?

So what is Slow to God?
When God says something is "far off" can He be believed?
How far is "Far off" to God?
Does God have Slow?
Does God have Swift?
Does God have Soon?

Near/Far/Soon/Long/Swift/Slow are HUMAN time adjectives which God is not Bound by. Not EVER.
THAT is what Peter is teaching.
Contrary to your assertion God dos not have to wait SOON for anything.
God is TIMELESS... "Soon" is a time constraint God is NOT bound by, even though you need Him to be in order for your paradigm to be supported.

Opposite of your claims to the contrary, God can tell time correctly, and can (and DOES) correctly communicate it's passing to human beings in a way we can understand and adhere to..

Whenever God places a time limit on the fulfillment of prophesy, it is given to be understood by how time relates to men, not how time relates to God.
Every time, Without Fail. Always.

Your presuppositions require the opposite to be true, but the scriptural record of God placing a time limit on a prophesy, and then fulfilling that prophesy in within that time limit he placed upon it simply does not support your position, as He ALWAYS fulfills His prophesies WHEN he says He will.



Was that a Physical Coming?
What did that coming look like?



There is only one coming of Christ as a thief taught in scripture, and the Glorified Jesus applied that one and only thief's coming to 1st century peoples.

Your presuppositions require there be multiple Comings of Christ as a thief but scripture again, simply does not allow for it.



Rather, it's demonstrably your futurist presuppositions that have blinded you to the truth about these things.



“So the over 100 passages in scripture that speak of the nearness of the return relative to the apostles themselves can be thrown out of our Bibles as meaningless because of how you interpret the one single passage of 2 Peter 3:9?...Near/Far/Soon/Long/Swift/Slow are HUMAN time adjectives which God is not Bound by. Not EVER.

THAT is what Peter is teaching.”


Which is why the return of our Lord is to be treated as though it could happen at many moment, which it can, yet at the same time, no date or time table can ever be placed upon it because He may not return within the time frame we might think.

The Apostle Peter was well aware of the possibility that Christ might not return in his lifetime which is why he said that a thousand years is as a day to the Lord and a day as a thousand years and why he admonishes readers to not think that God is slow in fulfilling His promises as some might count slowness.

If Peter thought for certain that the Lord was going to return in his lifetime, he would have had no reason to write what 2 Peter 3:9 says.

As for the rest of the passages that speak of the soon and coming return of the Lord, it is your presuppositions and refusal to abide in Peter’s instruction that make them appear meaningless in your sight.


“So what is Slow to God?

When God says something is "far off" can He be believed?

How far is "Far off" to God?

Does God have Slow?

Does God have Swift?

Does God have Soon?”


Again, you are insisting on imposing a human perspective on what is to be viewed from God’s perspective.


“Contrary to your assertion God dos not have to wait SOON for anything.
God is TIMELESS... "Soon" is a time constraint God is NOT bound by, even though you need Him to be in order for your paradigm to be supported.”



I did not make that assertion as you have falsely accused me. And it is your Preterism that places time constraints upon God. Premillennialism, to its credit, on the other hand does not because it does not require all things foretold to be fulfilled in one century.


“Opposite of your claims to the contrary, God can tell time correctly, and can (and DOES) correctly communicate it's passing to human beings in a way we can understand and adhere to…”


I never said that He could not tell time correctly or communicate it directly as you once again falsely accuse me of. It is just that when it comes to prophetic fulfillment upon which a time table is not set, and that happens to be the majority of prophecy, God does not measure “soon” or “slowness” the way we do.


“God places a time limit on the fulfillment of prophesy, it is given to be understood by how time relates to men, not how time relates to God.
Every time, Without Fail. Always.”



No argument there.


“Your presuppositions require the opposite to be true, but the scriptural record of God placing a time limit on a prophesy, and then fulfilling that prophesy in within that time limit he placed upon it simply does not support your position, as He ALWAYS fulfills His prophesies WHEN he says He will.”


My so-called presuppositions do not require the opposite to be true and furthermore, premillennialism does not deny that God fulfills prophecy within given time limits, but when it comes to the return of Christ, it is Preterism that has attempted to place a time frame on it where one is not defined.


“Was that a Physical Coming?
What did that coming look like?”



The scripture does not reveal the fate of the Church of Sardis one way or another. You would know that if you had read the third chapter of the book of Revelation.


“There is only one coming of Christ as a thief taught in scripture, and the Glorified Jesus applied that one and only thief's coming to 1st century peoples.

Your presuppositions require there be multiple Comings of Christ as a thief but scripture again, simply does not allow for it.”


The second coming never happened in the first century and as for so-called multiple comings of Christ, I know where you are trying to take this discussion and I will not debate that with you here and be led off topic. Challenge me on that on a different thread


“Rather, it's demonstrably your futurist presuppositions that have blinded you to the truth about these things.”


Futurism/Premillennialism at least pay attention to context, detail, and take the totality of scripture into account when it comes to prophecy. Preterism does not.
 
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It is rare on this forum to find a person who provides links which prove their arguments are wrong, and the other person is correct.

Many of your links above prove that Brother JGR is correct, and prove that you are wrong about how the DNA of Abraham has been mixed into modern populations.


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Actually, they do not prove my arguments wrong. They've just been misused by those who have attempted to use them to prove me wrong. Have you even read those source links? I've read them and none of them help JGR's case. They do not make the claims that he is making. You and he both are making them out to claim things they actually are not.

It's you two who ought to feel embarrassed and humiliated by these sources.
 
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Based on what evidence do you know that?

You don't know it. Rather, you assume it, because the empirical evidence is still incomplete.

Yet you accept the Law of Gravity, whose empirical evidence is also incomplete.

Why the latter, but not the former?


The latter is clearly observed and proven before a name was even given to it. The other has not been proven but is based upon sources whose content you misapplied and misrepresented.
 
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Presumably you meant "...mixing events have increased with increased interaction...".

The Law of Gravity has not been, and cannot be, tested on every possible variation in elevation. Yet you, and all of us, accept it justifiably as fact.

Genetic testing reveals Abrahamic DNA in a plethora of heretofore unexpected occurrences, with more appearing all the time. Those results are supported in, and predicted by, the math.

Those results will only increase in scope and frequency going forward, as DNA technology continues to improve.

Why do you accept the former, but reject the latter?


That is because proving the reality of gravity is not rocket science but when it comes to genetic testing to reveal Abrahamic descendants, and specifically those of Jewish descent, while I do not deny that such testing has revealed Israelites in unexpected places, the number of people revealed to be descendants of the Israelites is still a relatively small number in comparison to those who are not and even if the number of such revelations grows, it will not encompass all of humanity as you assume that it will.

And that is all your claim is: An assumption without scriptural support because the Bible consistently retains a distinction between Jew and Gentile as far as lineage goes. What the genetic findings do prove is that the Jews were scattered amongst the nations as the scriptures said that they would be if they persisted in their rejection of God.
 
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I don't see plants and animals in Chang's, Ralph's, and Coop's studies. Do you?



The children of promise are counted for the seed (Romans 9:8). Galatians 4:28 identifies who the children of promise are: All believers in Christ, both Jew and Gentile, irrespective of DNA.



Your whole premise has been based on the significance of bloodline. How is that different from genetics?

God wiped thousands of unfaithful disobedient people of Israel out of existence. But He preserved and blessed those of the faith and obedience of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

And He's never changed His Mind.


"I don't see plants and animals in Chang's, Ralph's, and Coop's studies. Do you?"


You're the one who asked if genes exist apart from mankind, not me.


"The children of promise are counted for the seed (Romans 9:8). Galatians 4:28 identifies who the children of promise are: All believers in Christ, both Jew and Gentile, irrespective of DNA."


Romans 9:8 acknowledges that they who are of Abraham's blood line through Isaac and Jacob are the children of promise because they are evidence of that fulfillment with the end result being Christ because it was through their line Christ came but Paul made it clear that this in and of itself did not make them all children of God.

Galatians 4:28 states that we are the children of promise by faith through adoption whether we are of the bloodline or not.


"Your whole premise has been based on the significance of bloodline. How is that different from genetics?"


My whole premise has been based upon the faithfulness and integrity of God in keeping His promises. You are the one that shifted the debate into an argument over genetics.


"God wiped thousands of unfaithful disobedient people of Israel out of existence. But He preserved and blessed those of the faith and obedience of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."


And yet He continues to preserve the Jewish people (Christian and non-Christian alike) with the vast majority of them still in unbelief and yet re-established as a nation in their homeland which God gave to them. Why do you think that is?
 
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You're the one who asked if genes exist apart from mankind, not me.

You're the one who claimed "But it does not exist everywhere in every person", not me.

My whole premise has been based upon the faithfulness and integrity of God in keeping His promises. You are the one that shifted the debate into an argument over genetics.

My whole premise has been that only faith and obedience identify God's Chosen People (Ephesians 2:8; Hebrews 5:9), that He has in complete faithfulness and integrity kept all of His promises through His Son (2 Corinthians 1:20), and that genetics are irrelevant to Him, of which genetic ubiquity is a cogent confirmation.

And yet He continues to preserve the Jewish people (Christian and non-Christian alike) with the vast majority of them still in unbelief and yet re-established as a nation in their homeland which God gave to them. Why do you think that is?

In His mercy, God continues to preserve us all without genetic distinction, Christian and non-Christian alike, with the vast majority of us in unbelief but still in our national homelands which God has given us. Why do you think that is?

Because:

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
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That is because proving the reality of gravity is not rocket science but when it comes to genetic testing to reveal Abrahamic descendants, and specifically those of Jewish descent, while I do not deny that such testing has revealed Israelites in unexpected places, the number of people revealed to be descendants of the Israelites is still a relatively small number in comparison to those who are not and even if the number of such revelations grows, it will not encompass all of humanity as you assume that it will.

Israel's mixing events began with Israel's formation (Genesis 17:12), and never ceased, but only increased, in the ensuing millennia to this day.

As a result of these innumerable mixing events over the millennia, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous, as are the genomes of all of our qualifying ancestors beginning with Adam and Eve.

And that is all your claim is: An assumption without scriptural support because the Bible consistently retains a distinction between Jew and Gentile as far as lineage goes. What the genetic findings do prove is that the Jews were scattered amongst the nations as the scriptures said that they would be if they persisted in their rejection of God.

Scripture's final admonitions regarding genealogy (1 Timothy 1:4; Titus 3:9) contemplate the inexorable progression of, and culmination in, Abrahamic genetic ubiquity. And it is a fitting culmination and confirmation, complementing Scripture's declarations in the spiritual realm (John 10:16; Romans 2:28,29; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:14).
 
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They were fully in evidence in the Galatian church. God wasn't hiding them there. With an entire Book of the NT dedicated to them, they don't seem hidden at all.
This is why I give up on you jgr, you come to wrong conclusions and repeat yourself like a cracked record.
It is the Galatians true ancestry that is hidden. Just like all the 10 Northern tribes are today.
Note that Paul, James, Peter and Josephus all knew who and where all the Israelites were. The Apostles took the Gospel to the Jews first, then to the Israelites in dispersion and other peoples were not excluded. The result is millions of Christians, of whom the majority are Israelite by descent.
 
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That is because proving the reality of gravity is not rocket science but when it comes to genetic testing to reveal Abrahamic descendants, and specifically those of Jewish descent, while I do not deny that such testing has revealed Israelites in unexpected places, the number of people revealed to be descendants of the Israelites is still a relatively small number in comparison to those who are not and even if the number of such revelations grows, it will not encompass all of humanity as you assume that it will.

And that is all your claim is: An assumption without scriptural support because the Bible consistently retains a distinction between Jew and Gentile as far as lineage goes. What the genetic findings do prove is that the Jews were scattered amongst the nations as the scriptures said that they would be if they persisted in their rejection of God.

You seem to have a misunderstanding of the fact that all of the descendants of Abraham and Sarah, are technically not "Jews", since Judah was only one of the twelve tribes. In the verse below Paul reveals that he was from the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


The Northern tribes were carried off into captivity hundreds of years before the time of Christ, and their Abrahamic DNA was intermixed with that of other people groups from Asia, and Europe. It would be almost impossible for you to have a European ancestor and not have some of Abraham's DNA.
Therefore, modern peoples are much more likely to be a descendant of Abraham and Sarah, as compared to the tribe of Judah.

Paul had to correct Peter over the issue of treating the Christians of Gentile backgrounds differently than the Christians of Jewish heritage. Some of us are doing the same thing today.

You are attempting to promote some form of Dual Covenant Theology by ignoring the fact that the most important genealogy in the Bible is found below. After His birth, no other genealogies matter, based on Galatians 3:16-29, and Titus 3:9.

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


You asked for proof from the Bible that we are correct.
That proof is found in the Samaritans, who were considered inferior by many of the Jews of Jesus time, because they were of mixed race. They were descendants of Abraham, and Sarah through the tribes of Ephraim, and Manasseh, who were the offspring of Joseph. See the link below.


Samaritans - Wikipedia

Luk_10:33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

Luk_17:16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.

Joh_8:48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

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