Neanderthals, Dinosaurs?
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Yeshua, if you did not interpret anything and only read facts from Scripture, you would have no reason to claim it took God only thousands of years to create everything.
Again, why do you think the exact Creation timeline is in Genesis, then claim you did read it and only trust the Bible? I will keep asking until you show me where the Bible itself says that - in GENESIS 1.
Again, why do you think the exact Creation timeline is in Genesis, then claim you did read it and only trust the Bible? I will keep asking until you show me where the Bible itself says that - in GENESIS 1.
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This passage come to mind when reading @yeshuaslavejeff posts
Luke 18:9-14
9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for every one who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Luke 18:9-14
9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for every one who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
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So go humble yourself Yeshua. All you have been doing is trying to convince us all men lie except yourself.
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Hi! As far as what is written in scripture, only God was there prior to Genesis. Genesis represents the beginning of God creating the heavens and earth (what I think of as the physical universe). As indicated in other threads, dinosaurs were likely created on days 5 (flying and water-dwelling) and 6 (land-dwelling). Neanderthals are just a modern era label given to human remains found in Neander valley, Germany... so they would be descendants of Adam/Eve (day 6).
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Do I think there were plants and critters on Earth prior to what we would describe as sentient human beings? Yes, I think there were. Probably for billions of years. And I think it is okay with God that I think that.
Do I care if some people believe the Genesis story(ies) literally just as it(they) are written? Nope. I don't think God cares either.
I think God is much more interested in our relationship with Him, our capacity for love, caring, tolerance, understanding, compassion as well as having integrity and being honorable than He is interested in our theology.
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As I noted earlier, Neanderthals were a different species, not just another name for homo sapiens.
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I told you, they subdued the young ones and drove them away.
You know what's fake? The TOE. But some Christians, almost half, are deceived in believing in this theistic evolution where God started things (different than what is written in the Bible) and then let life unfinished evolve. No, life was finished - all kinds. You really have to distort/misinterpret scripture to accept this view. THUS Genesis becomes a symbolic mishmash. And they do the same to Revelation as well. Distort both the beginning and the end and then the middle becomes questionable as well. So they will pick and choose scriptures they agree with, that works with their view and discard the rest.
Using the Potassium-Argon method, volcanic material in Hawaii that was less than 200 years old was tested to be between 160 million and 3 billion years old. (Journal if Geophysical Research July 15, 1968, of. 4601)
A shell from a living mollusk was tested for Carbon-14 and found to be dead for 3000 years! ("Science"; August 16, 1968; vol. 141, of. 636)
What's wrong with dating methods? Intial conditions are not known are therefore assumed, guessed at. There is no way of knowing the initial chemical amounts of carbon or any other elements. Water for thousands of years soaks through soils and depletes chemical amounts, draining them. Small bones dissolve in water after years in Salt water. Soak a chiken bone in water for one day and the mineral content will lessen.
Dinos were suddenly killed and preserved in mud. Bones left on the surface would disintegrate within only hundreds of years or less. "From dust to dust" - ever hear that saying?
Btw, talk about deception:
Neanderthal Man was proven to be a skeleton of an old man who suffered from Arthritis.
New Guinea Man dates way back to 1970.
CroMagnon Man is modern man.
Nebraska Man was built up from one tooth - later to be from an extinct pig.
Peking Man - all evidence has disappeared.
Piltdown man's jawbone turned out to belong to modern ape.
The deception continues with such amazing complicated newer explanations that the general public pays no bother to refute. This is not science, it's similar to prestidigitation, a magic trick that you fell for.
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Ronald, are you saying young Christians are tuaght wrong about evolution? That is not true because they learn about geology, astronomy, and biology in science classes.
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Here's the problem with "theistic evolution" (or even just evolution in general as it applies to Genesis.
In order to have evolution, there has to be death; because (you know only the fittest survive).
If there was no death until there was sin; this makes evolution impossible according to Scripture.
Now, there is "adaptation to environment". That though was inherent in the genome of every "kind" made, not one "kind" changing to another.
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There was God, prior to Genesis... And a void. And waters.
Genesis 1:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
There were dinosaurs... they lived at the same time as man... If this ain't a brontosaurus... I don't know what is...
Job 40:15-24 King James Version (KJV)
15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
There is no mention of "neanderthals" in the bible. One has speculated that since certain parts of your body grows continuously, very old people may have strong brow ridges and such... but no mention of these "cave men" in the bible. God made Adam in His likeness.. then made Eve from Adam's rib... So much for evolution.. Man was made first and woman from him.... No birth, death, birth, death, birth death... God made Adam with His hands a breathed life into him.
Oh, and something changed when the flood happened. The firmament broke and the sky was different afterward.
Some believe that the firmament kept the earth at a tropical temperature and that the barometric pressure was higher, as well as O2 levels. This is confirmed with analysis of the air in bubbles of petrified amber.
Under atmospheric conditions predicted by these amber bubbles... a man could run for 200 miles and not get tired.
Plants grew very well and large, with very high food value. Large animals were not able to have enough food, or breath with their smaller lungs, after the flood.
Just theory but it makes sense. There is no telling what the earth was like before the flood... We do know that there was no rain and after it was over, God told Noah that he could eat animals.....Why?
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They say that a day in Genesis is a literal 24 hour day. Yet contained in a day is all time and all ages.
First of all lets look at the VERY first word in the Hebrew Bible: Beginning. Now lets look at the first letter in the first word in the Bible: B. What does this mean? B represents a tent, or a dwelling or to inhabit. The second letter is an E. If you combine the first and the second letter you have BEN or Son. This represents the Son of God and the incarnation. Jesus came to dwell with and to become a part of His creation. I could go on but I am just showing you the beginning or where the Bible begins.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Notice we begin with the Heavens and the Earth. Science tells us that the elements of the earth were created in a Star that lived it's life and exploded. So is this the beginning of the Universe and the Big Bang 12.9 Billion years ago. OR is this the beginnng of the Sun, Moon & our Earth around 5.5 Billion years ago?
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Just the opposite: "Proof" is based on math. Creation and the Universe is all math, so everything is evidence or proof. There is extreme precision. They refer to this as the fine tuning theory. There is nothing random. The universe follows very exact natural laws that are anything but random in nature.
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At one time around 200 million years ago there was only one land mass. They call this the super continent of Pangaea. The story is that Satan and his angels were thrown from Heaven down to the Earth. He as very mad over his situation so he decided to get God's creation to destroy itself. This is when dinosaurs began to develop teeth and devour one another.
Noah's flood is a paradigm or an archetype of what happened at Pangaea starting 200 million years ago when the earth was flooded and then the earth was frozen. When you have an extinction like this in science 90% of life is destroyed. Then 10% repopulates the earth through a population explosion or radiation. This flood started plate technotics or what they call the ring of fire.
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Genesis... is the word of God..
It quite specifically states, after every day, "There was evening, there was morning, the first day, second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day, sixth day..."
Pretty obvious.
Do you doubt that God COULD do it in six days?
Well God could do it... God said He did it..... end of story..
Unless you want to rely on the wisdom of the created to deny what the CREATOR has told you...
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"They" are wrong. "There was an evening, and then a morning . . ." does not specify a number of hours. I know many people want to think it is 24 hours just because they interpret the word "day" literally but the Bible clearly states there were no days before "the fourth day" because God created Earth before our sun, moon, and contellations.
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