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I and many others did assume that 70 years would be the length of the generation which would see it all. Matthew 24:32-34. We were wrong...

Well, Scripture informs us we should therefore not believe you anymore, nor shall we fear you or what you say, and that your fate is sealed:

Deuteronomy 18:20-22
20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Sad how so many people don't understand the very real consequences of prophesying presumptuously. Simply apologizing for it and then moving the goalposts will profit you nothing.
 
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Oh no you didn't!
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Well, conveniently as you have seen, He has now moved the goalposts to 80 years from 1948, and when that fails He's switch to 70 years from 1967... and when that fails, He'll switch to 80 years from '67, and when that fails he can cite Genesis 6:3 and move it to 120 years... and He'll be dead and gone by the time that comes and goes without incident, so, as luck would have it, He does not have to be accountable for any of his failed predictions... not to us anyway...
Well, Scripture informs us we should therefore not believe you anymore, nor shall we fear you or what you say, and that your fate is sealed:

Deuteronomy 18:20-22
20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Sad how so many people don't understand the very real consequences of prophesying presumptuously. Simply apologizing for it and then moving the goalposts will profit you nothing.
Like the flavors of Baskin Robbins...........

Unfulfilled Christian religious predictions - Wikipedia
This article lists unfulfilled Christian religious predictions that failed to come about in the specified time frame, listed by religious group.

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Adventism, Millerism
Adventism has its roots in the teachings of a Baptist preacher by the name of William Miller. He first predicted the Second Advent of Jesus Christ would occur before March 21, 1844.[1] When this date passed a new date was predicted, April 18, 1844.[2] Again the date passed and another Millerite, Samuel S. Snow, derived the date of October 22, 1844.[3] The non-fulfillment of these predictions has been named the Millerite Great Disappointment.

Anabaptist Church
Certain Anabaptists of the early 16th century believed that the Millennium would occur in 1533.[4] Another source reports: "When the prophecy failed, the Anabaptists became more zealous and claimed that two witnesses (Enoch and Elijah) had come in the form of Jan Matthys and Jan Bockelson; they would set up the New Jerusalem in Münster. Münster became a frightening dictatorship under Bockelson's control. Although all Lutherans and Catholics were expelled from that city, the millennium never came."[5]

Lutheran Church
Michael Stiefel predicted the end of the world in 1533 and lost his living as minister in consequence. He was found another by Philip Melanchthon.[27]

One later writer noted, "In all of [ Martin Luther's ] work there was a sense of urgency for the time was short... the world was heading for Armageddon in the war with the Turk."[28]

Even after Luther's death in 1546, Lutheran leaders kept up the claim of the nearness of the end. About the year 1584, a zealous Lutheran named Adam Nachenmoser wrote the large volume '[Prognosticum Theologicum]' in which he predicted: "In 1590 the Gospel would be preached to all nations and a wonderful unity would be achieved. The last days would then be close at hand." Nachenmoser offered numerous conjectures about the date; 1635 seemed most likely.[29]

The Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod issued a study in 1989 refuting any end times claim, declaring that "repeatedly taught by Jesus and the apostles is the truth that the exact hour of Christ's coming remains hidden in the secret counsels of God (Matt. 24:36)."[30]

Presbyterian Church
Thomas Brightman, who lived from 1562 to 1607, has been called "one of the fathers of Presbyterianism in England." He predicted that "between 1650 and 1695 [we] would see the conversion of the many Jews and a revival of their nation in Palestine...the destruction of the Papacy...the marriage of the Lamb and his wife."[35]

Christopher Love who lived from 1618–1651 was a bright graduate of Oxford and a strong Presbyterian. Love predicted that: (1) Babylon would fall in 1758 (2) God's anger against the wicked would be demonstrated in 1759 and (3) in 1763 there would occur a great earthquake all over the world.[36]

Roman Catholic Church
When in 1525 Martin Luther, an ex-monk, married Katharina von Bora, an ex-nun, his enemies[who?] said that their offspring would fulfill an old tradition that the Antichrist would be the son of such a union. The Catholic scholar and theologian Erasmus remarked that the tradition could apply to thousands of such children.[37]

In 1771 Bishop Charles Walmesley published, under the nom de plume of "Signor Pastorini",[38] his "General History of the Christian Church from Her Birth to Her Final Triumphant State in Heaven Chiefly Deduced from the Apocalypse of St. John the Apostle and Evangelist".[39] In it he attributed to what he called the fifth age of the Church a duration of 300 years, beginning with the Protestant Reformation in 1520 or 1525.[40]

This was widely interpreted as predicting the downfall of Protestantism by 1825.[41] In fact, just four years later, the Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829 brought to a culmination the process of Catholic Emancipation throughout the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
 
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He does not have to be accountable for any of his failed predictions... not to us anyway...
Yeah, all he has to do is keep "apologizing" when his predictions fall through.
 
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I surely don't get it from 'the world'!
2 Bible Witness give us the explanation for Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32; Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8.
The formula is clear and simple; To God in heaven, a day equals 1000 years on earth.
Reading Hosea 6:1-3, makes it clear that this is a prophecy of when the Lord will Return to His people, first to revive us for 2000 years, then to live in His presence for the Millennium.

In Luke 13:32-33, Jesus goes on to say it will be 2 more literal days, then He will be crucified. That statement is not a repeat of verse 32, as it says He will come into His reward, not His death. That 'reward' is to be King over the earth for 1000 years.
Got any other clues about those two prophesies? Or will you just reject anything that you just don't like, because it conflicts with your fixed beliefs?

Pathetic BaB, your insistence that this prophecy is about the Return of Jesus, is easily refuted, as I have done many times and you just ignore the truth.
Jesus is NOT revealed to the world then, just to His people, as Revelation 14:1 shows. It describes the great and terrible Lord's Day of fiery wrath; NOT the return in glory.

I and many others did assume that 70 years would be the length of the generation which would see it all. Matthew 24:32-34. We were wrong and I have apologized for that.
However, Psalms 90:10 states that we can and do live to 80, [and more] by reason of strength. Therefore 2028 or before will see the commencement of the last days events, leading up to the Return of Jesus and His Millennium reign. Mark that date, Realist.
While you are at it, take note of the situation in the Middle East, the confrontation between Israel and the Islamic peoples has gone on for 71/72 years now, will there never be a resolution?

It is your prerogative to believe you can go to live in heaven.
I prefer to believe the Plain Words of Jesus:
John 3:13 No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from heaven.
John 17:15 ...I pray Father, you keep them from the evil one....
John 7:34...where I go you cannot come....
John 8:21-23....I am not of this world, you cannot go where I go....
Revelation 5:10....the saints will reign on earth....
ALL Words of Jesus that totally, utterly and completely refute the false and extremely un biblical rapture theory.

The only "rapture" there is ... is the 1st resurrection as clearly described by Paul ... and as stated many times throughout His word.

so ... according to your theory what happen with these people

Matthew 17

50When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split.52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.

They were resurrected from the dead, so their bodies had to become immortal ... where are they?
 
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Comments like this are worse than useless, they are just an accusation against me without any proper rebuttal. Why don't you post your beliefs, instead of criticizing mine?

How can one refute fantasies there is noting that could be said for such silly nonsense, hopefully people are gullible enough to believe such nonsense that you posted.
 
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Oh no you didn't!
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Well, conveniently as you have seen, He has now moved the goalposts to 80 years from 1948, and when that fails He's switch to 70 years from 1967... and when that fails, He'll switch to 80 years from '67, and when that fails he can cite Genesis 6:3 and move it to 120 years... and He'll be dead and gone by the time that comes and goes without incident, so, as luck would have it, He does not have to be accountable for any of his failed predictions... not to us anyway...

That's how they do things, keep moving the goal post and make pathetic excuses when nothing happens. These types are nothing more than the old time snake oil salesman
 
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Well, Scripture informs us we should therefore not believe you anymore, nor shall we fear you or what you say, and that your fate is sealed:
Just because the prophesied events are in God's timing; He is not slow according to His Plan, you conclude that everything I have warned people about can be discounted. Not sensible or wise.
All the events and changes prophesied for the end times, will take place sooner or later.

If they never will happen, then we may as well just throw our Bibles into the bin. But: how do we know when is never?

My castigation, vilification and outright judgement by my fellow Christians for promoting the Bible prophesies and making warnings as seemed necessary at the time, is an indictment against you all.
No one has posted a proper refutation of the fact that the Lord will change the world on a Day of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis; the Sixth Seal disaster that will kill millions and destroy our infrastructure.
We are plainly informed all about it, we should not be in the dark of what must happen.
The only "rapture" there is ... is the 1st resurrection as clearly described by Paul ... and as stated many times throughout His word.

so ... according to your theory what happen with these people

Matthew 17

50When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split.52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.

They were resurrected from the dead, so their bodies had to become immortal ... where are they?
Lazarus was resurrected from the dead, so was the son of the widow that Elijah resurrected.
They died again. So did those saints.
When Jesus Returns, He will bring the souls of the martyrs who will be killed during the GT. Revelation 20:4 They will be raised to life, but not to immortality yet, as that awaits the opening of the Book of Life, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

I have reported you, Charsan, for unacceptable personal comments.
 
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*snip*
Lazarus was resurrected from the dead, so was the son of the widow that Elijah resurrected.
They died again. So did those saints.
When Jesus Returns, He will bring the souls of the martyrs who will be killed during the GT. Revelation 20:4 They will be raised to life, but not to immortality yet, as that awaits the opening of the Book of Life, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15
I have reported you, Charsan, for unacceptable personal comments.
And a reason for one to study on this covenantle parable in Luke 16 concerning Abraham, Moses and Lazarus in relation to 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation.....

Rich Man and Lazarus most misunderstood parable in NT?

Luke 16:19 Yet a certain Man was rich and was clothed purple and fine-linen making-merry downto a-day shiningly
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The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19


Revelation 18:
7 ‘As much as She glorifies Herself and indulges so much, be giving to Her torment<929> and sorrow<3997>.
That in Her heart She is saying: 'I am sitting a Queen, and a Widow not I am being,
and sorrow not no I shall seeing.'

12 Cargo of gold and silver,and precious stone and pearl
and fine linen and purple, [Luke 16:19/Revelation 18:16] and silk, and scarlet, 16 and saying,
Woe! woe! the great City,that was having been clothed <4016> with fine linen, and purple [Luke 16:19/Revelation 18:12]
 
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If the events dont happen then its not a case that one has to throw out ones Bible. No.

Its a case that you got it all wrong and interpreted scripture incorrectly.
Please tell us how you think we should interpret; Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Zephaniah 3:8
And a reason for one to study on this covenantle parable in Luke 16 concerning Abraham, Moses and Lazarus in relation to 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation.....

Rich Man and Lazarus most misunderstood parable in NT?
You quote the wrong Lazarus. I referred to the one in John 11:43-44 He was quite dead, Jesus raised him, to live out his allotted lifespan, then he died and is now in the grave, awaiting the GWT Judgement. Where he will receive immortality, as his name is Written in the Book of Life.
 
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Just because the prophesied events are in God's timing; He is not slow according to His Plan, you conclude that everything I have warned people about can be discounted. Not sensible or wise.
All the events and changes prophesied for the end times, will take place sooner or later.

If they never will happen, then we may as well just throw our Bibles into the bin. But: how do we know when is never?

My castigation, vilification and outright judgement by my fellow Christians for promoting the Bible prophesies and making warnings as seemed necessary at the time, is an indictment against you all.
No one has posted a proper refutation of the fact that the Lord will change the world on a Day of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis; the Sixth Seal disaster that will kill millions and destroy our infrastructure.
We are plainly informed all about it, we should not be in the dark of what must happen.

Lazarus was resurrected from the dead, so was the son of the widow that Elijah resurrected.
They died again. So did those saints.
When Jesus Returns, He will bring the souls of the martyrs who will be killed during the GT. Revelation 20:4 They will be raised to life, but not to immortality yet, as that awaits the opening of the Book of Life, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

I have reported you, Charsan, for unacceptable personal comments.

I haven't made any inappropriate comments that I am aware of, we are discussing what we believe and we believe differently ... as many do. I'm only trying to understand what you believe and why you believe it.

I apologize if you misunderstand.

I was understanding that you do not believe that anyone goes to heaven? True or not?

The other question I had ... were based on that ... there have been other resurrections, such as after Jesus was resurrected and where did they go?

If you do not want to have conversation with me ... just say so and I'll block your name and then you'll never see my posts again.

Again .. I didn't and don't have any ill intent against anyone.
 
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Just because the prophesied events are in God's timing; He is not slow according to His Plan, you conclude that everything I have warned people about can be discounted.

Rather, scripture instructs us NOT to fear you or what you say, when you make a prediction that fails to come to pass.

It very plain, direct scriptural teaching that I will adhere to.

Not sensible or wise.

Whats not sensible or wise is throwing out dates and saying the events "must happen by X date" as you have.

Such is, as another member pointed out, the thing of snake oil salesmen... though there are eternal consequences for your frivolous claims that even you have admitted, were wrong.

All the events and changes prophesied for the end times, will take place sooner or later.

I say they took place much sooner than you do.

I side with the apostles timeframe for the fulfillment of these things.

If they never will happen, then we may as well just throw our Bibles into the bin. But: how do we know when is never?

Rather, if they didn't happen on time, as prophesied, in the apostolic generation, THEN we probably should throw out our Bibles.
It should not shake anyone's faith to discover that you got the timing of these events wrong... but to make the claim that Jesus and the Apostles got the timing wrong? That's a faith destroyer.

My castigation, vilification and outright judgement by my fellow Christians for promoting the Bible prophesies and making warnings as seemed necessary at the time, is an indictment against you all.

Again, the indictment is scriptural and is squarely against YOU who made the demonstrably false claim.
Scripture instructs the rest of us to not fear you or what you have to say, because scripture informs us that what you said was NOT from God, even though you claimed it was..

No one has posted a proper refutation of the fact that the Lord will change the world on a Day of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis; the Sixth Seal disaster that will kill millions and destroy our infrastructure.

I have 17 years of sound, scriptural refutations of your wild claims, and the similar claims of others, available on this site for anyone to search.. I post them often in response to your fanatical ramblings.

Anyone can simply type something like "sun goes dark" or "moon turns to blood" or "global cataclysm" in the search field, and put "parousia70" in the member field and they'll find pages of sound refutations containing proper exegesis of these biblical terms that soundly demonstrate your error.

I expect I'll continue to do so as long as you continue to move your goalposts each time a prediction of yours fails to materialize, again, and again, and again...However, the mere fact your claims fail to come to pass, should be refutation enough. You've done a pretty good job so far at "self refutation", but I'll stick around and keep pointing it out to our readers for their edification.
 
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How can one refute fantasies there is noting that could be said for such silly nonsense, hopefully people are gullible enough to believe such nonsense that you posted.
The Jews should be thankful they don't have to build the Temple in the US......
"Widgets and Fantasy Land"


The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Matthew 7:
24 All then who-any is hearing of Me these words and is doing them shall be likened to a prudent man who-any builds of him the house on the Rock.
25 And descended the rains and streams and blow the winds and they lunge at that house and not she falls, for it had been founded on the Rock.
26 And all the one hearing of Me these words and no doing them shall be likened to a foolish man who-any builds of him the House upon the sand.
And descended the rains and the streams and blow the winds and they strike that house and she falls, and was the fall of her great.

Mat 23:38
“See! Your house is left to you desolate;.....
Luk 13:35
“See! Your house is left to you desolate;...
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Revelation 18:
1 After these I saw another Messenger descending out of the heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated out of the glory of Him
2 and He cries out<2896> in a strong voice, saying,
"She Falls! She falls! Babylon the great,
and She became a habitation<2732> of demons, and a hold/prison<5438> of every unclean<169> spirit, and a hold of every bird, unclean and having been hated.
 
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I have reported you, Charsan, for unacceptable personal comments.

hope is makes you happy because I did nt say anything out of the road. I want t know who made you an authority on when things are going to happen, where is your authorization from. It would have been fine if you said this was your idea but you acted like you knew and your were the great knower of all things.
 
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I was understanding that you do not believe that anyone goes to heaven? True or not?
Humans never go to live in heaven, Jesus said so 6 times.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say anyone other than the 2 Witnesses, Enoch and Elijah, go to heaven. We are earthly creatures, the earth is out home and our destiny is here. Eventually God and therefore heaven; come to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7
Rather, scripture instructs us NOT to fear you or what you say, when you make a prediction that fails to come to pass.
How can you say that? I point out prophesies that tell about things that we know have not happened yet. The Cosmic events for example.
These things will most probably 'fail to come to pass' tomorrow as well, but that in no way means they will never happen.
We ARE near the time when Jesus will Return and all the things prophesied to occur before that glorious Day, we should know what God has planned; He has informed us about it all in the Bible.
I say they took place much sooner than you do.
But plainly, obviously they all didn't. The Roman conquest of the Jews in 70-135 AD bears no resemblance to what is described in Revelation.
It should not shake anyone's faith to discover that you got the timing of these events wrong... but to make the claim that Jesus and the Apostles got the timing wrong? That's a faith destroyer.
The Apostles weren't aware of the long time period of the Church age. But Jesus was, He prophesied it in Luke 13:32; a day to the Lord in heaven equals 1000 years earth time. Then His reward of the 1000 year reign as King of the World.
Scripture instructs the rest of us to not fear you or what you have to say, because scripture informs us that what you said was NOT from God, even though you claimed it was..
I never claim to speak for God. My task is to promote the Words of the Prophets. Believe them.
You've done a pretty good job so far at "self refutation", but I'll stick around and keep pointing it out to our readers for their edification.
Your preterist beliefs, of how we need not be concerned about forthcoming testing times, is a seriously bad teaching that has the extremely bad effect of complacency among Christians.
We are told we should not be in the dark about what must happen before Jesus Returns. Thinking it has all happened, is a crock, as Jesus has not yet Returned in His glory.
 
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I want t know who made you an authority on when things are going to happen, where is your authorization from.
I don't need 'authorization', to promote the Prophetic Word.
But for your information, I did receive a vision and inspiration to write articles on Bible prophecy in 2010, when I was in the holy Land. All free to read on my logostelos website.
your were the great knower of all things.
God knows all things; He has told His prophets about His plans for us in these end times. I bring them to your attention and if they conflict with what you believe, then the thing you should do is to change your beliefs.
 
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I don't need 'authorization', to promote the Prophetic Word.
But for your information, I did receive a vision and inspiration to write articles on Bible prophecy in 2010, when I was in the holy Land. All free to read on my logostelos website.

God knows all things; He has told His prophets about His plans for us in these end times. I bring them to your attention and if they conflict with what you believe, then the thing you should do is to change your beliefs.

God knows you do not. I don't even know you and am under no obligation to take your ideas seriously and you should not act like you know everything that is prideful
 
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Humans never go to live in heaven, Jesus said so 6 times.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say anyone other than the 2 Witnesses, Enoch and Elijah, go to heaven. We are earthly creatures, the earth is out home and our destiny is here. Eventually God and therefore heaven; come to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7

How can you say that? I point out prophesies that tell about things that we know have not happened yet. The Cosmic events for example.
These things will most probably 'fail to come to pass' tomorrow as well, but that in no way means they will never happen.
We ARE near the time when Jesus will Return and all the things prophesied to occur before that glorious Day, we should know what God has planned; He has informed us about it all in the Bible.

But plainly, obviously they all didn't. The Roman conquest of the Jews in 70-135 AD bears no resemblance to what is described in Revelation.

The Apostles weren't aware of the long time period of the Church age. But Jesus was, He prophesied it in Luke 13:32; a day to the Lord in heaven equals 1000 years earth time. Then His reward of the 1000 year reign as King of the World.

I never claim to speak for God. My task is to promote the Words of the Prophets. Believe them.

Your preterist beliefs, of how we need not be concerned about forthcoming testing times, is a seriously bad teaching that has the extremely bad effect of complacency among Christians.
We are told we should not be in the dark about what must happen before Jesus Returns. Thinking it has all happened, is a crock, as Jesus has not yet Returned in His glory.

We ARE near the time when Jesus will Return and all the things prophesied to occur before that glorious Day, we should know what God has planned; He has informed us about it all in the Bible.

ok ... so what things have happened ... and what is yet to come? If you follow a particular theology, please provide a link.

Your preterist beliefs, of how we need not be concerned about forthcoming testing times,

And where did I say that? Because I believe the 1,000 years are spent in heaven and not on earth?

According to the preterist approach, most of the prophecies in the book of Revelation were fulfilled not long after John wrote. I do not believe this.

I believe the book of revelation briefly reviews history and then also gives us prophecies that are yet forthcoming.
 
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God knows you do not. I don't even know you and am under no obligation to take your ideas seriously and you should not act like you know everything that is prideful
NOT my ideas, but what the Prophetic Word tells us.
Your obligation is to take the Bible seriously. If it seems that I know more than you about these things, that can be attributed to 10 years of intensive study of the prophecies. I have written over 800 articles on them and other subjects. Read them for free at logostelos.info
 
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