So with a change in selection pressures, monkeys could give rise to different humans?

Aman777 · Aug 11, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
What evidence do you have for your peculiar interpretation of the Bible? What evidence do you have for any of your claims? Without evidence of appears that all you have is senseless babbling.

False idea since NO one can give us a specific instance of where I'm wrong either Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically or mathematically. Here is one example which everyone seems to run from. Will you?

2. Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-born-big-bang Feb 28, 2018 - The first stars lit the cosmos by 180 million years after the Big Bang

No babbling, just fact. Please explain how any man who lived 3k years ago knew and wrote the correct scientific FACT in Genesis. You cannot since only God knew.

Ophiolite · Aug 11, 2019

Aman777 said:
Some 559 have and I have a list of them. A Creationist is not like an unbeliever. We don't get our stars by posting godless views which agree with other godless people. Many are called but few are chosen.

Let me be clearer. You claim that many people agree with your ideas. I'm not talking about "Agree" and "Like" awards on CF. I am talking about an agreement with your unusual ideas about the origin of man. I don't believe you. I think you are mistaken. I don''t think many, if any, agree with those unique ideas.

You can prove yourself right and me wrong, by asking a handful of them to post a clear statement of their agreement with your fundamental ideas, here on CF. Why will you not do so? It is no breach of trust, since they will be doing it of their own free will. If posted, it will encourage others to take your ideas more seriously. Is that not something you would welcome? So, why won't you do it.? (And why does it take two, three posts, or more to get you answer simple, direct questions?)

Subduction Zone · Aug 11, 2019

Aman777 said:
Show us a higher intelligence than that of man. You cannot so it doesn't matter.

Unreasonable and irrational request.

Subduction Zone · Aug 11, 2019

Aman777 said:
False idea since NO one can give us a specific instance of where I'm wrong either Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically or mathematically. Here is one example which everyone seems to run from. Will you?

2. Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-born-big-bang Feb 28, 2018 - The first stars lit the cosmos by 180 million years after the Big Bang

No babbling, just fact. Please explain how any man who lived 3k years ago knew and wrote the correct scientific FACT in Genesis. You cannot since only God knew.

You in effect just admitted that you are wrong.

And yes, all you have been doing is babbling.

Bungle_Bear · Aug 11, 2019

Aman777 said:
Show us a higher intelligence than that of man. You cannot so it doesn't matter.

Yet again you make lots of noise, but there's no content. You haven't attempted to support your claim.

I'll ask politely one last time - please support your claim. Failure to do so will be taken as admission that you have nothing and are knowingly making unsupported assertions.

Bungle_Bear · Aug 11, 2019

Aman777 said:
It's because you don't know HOW the Bible is organized. The FIRST 34 verses (Gen 1:1-Gen 2:3) tell us the entire HISTORY of the creation of God's perfect Heaven. Every other verse in the Bible refers BACK to one of these 7 Days/Ages of the creation and "adds details" to the events of that Day/Age.

Adam was "formed" physically from the ground on the 3rd Day, by Lord God/Jesus. Gen 2:4-9
Adam was "created" eternally, on the present 6th Day. Gen 1:27 by God the Trinity. Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16

The more I read of your claims, the more evidence I see that I know a lot more about the bible than you do. You have no idea "HOW the Bible is organized", what literary devices it uses, what problems translators have, how Jacobean English is different from modern English etc.

I have demonstrated numerous mistakes in your misinterpretations, but you just ignore them and come back with the same nonsense again and again. The saddest thing is that I think you genuinely believe you are enlightened and feel extremely insecure when challenged to support your assertions.

Aman777 · Aug 12, 2019

Ophiolite said:
Let me be clearer. You claim that many people agree with your ideas. I'm not talking about "Agree" and "Like" awards on CF. I am talking about an agreement with your unusual ideas about the origin of man. I don't believe you. I think you are mistaken. I don''t think many, if any, agree with those unique ideas.

You can prove yourself right and me wrong, by asking a handful of them to post a clear statement of their agreement with your fundamental ideas, here on CF. Why will you not do so? It is no breach of trust, since they will be doing it of their own free will. If posted, it will encourage others to take your ideas more seriously. Is that not something you would welcome? So, why won't you do it.? (And why does it take two, three posts, or more to get you answer simple, direct questions?)

I will if you will get some Bible believing Christians to support my views or your views. They must be born again Spiritually since others cannot understand Scripture.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Aman777 · Aug 12, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Unreasonable and irrational request.

That is because God and His children are the only ones on Earth with God's superior intelligence. Genesis 3:22 It's what separates Humans from ALL other creatures.

Speedwell · Aug 12, 2019

Aman777 said:
I will if you will get some Bible believing Christians to support my views or your views. They must be born again Spiritually since others cannot understand Scripture.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Only true scotsmen need apply.

Aman777 · Aug 12, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
Yet again you make lots of noise, but there's no content. You haven't attempted to support your claim.

I'll ask politely one last time - please support your claim. Failure to do so will be taken as admission that you have nothing and are knowingly making unsupported assertions.

I have God's word for it. Genesis 3:22 When you post of a higher intelligence than His, I will pay attention to your view. Until then, it's nothing but a "belief".

Aman777 · Aug 12, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
The more I read of your claims, the more evidence I see that I know a lot more about the bible than you do. You have no idea "HOW the Bible is organized", what literary devices it uses, what problems translators have, how Jacobean English is different from modern English etc.

I have demonstrated numerous mistakes in your misinterpretations, but you just ignore them and come back with the same nonsense again and again. The saddest thing is that I think you genuinely believe you are enlightened and feel extremely insecure when challenged to support your assertions.

Not so, UNLESS you can tell us how ancient men who lived 3k years ago KNEW and correctly wrote the Scientific Fact that it was a long time AFTER the Big Bang until the first Stars lit up. Genesis did. What it shows is that a Day to God is billions of years in man's time.

Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-born-big-bang Feb 28, 2018 - The first stars lit the cosmos by 180 million years after the Big Bang,

Aman777 · Aug 12, 2019

Speedwell said:
Only true scotsmen need apply.

I love your name and I also love to bring Occam's Razor down on the false ToE. What it shows is that the ToE is a complicated, made up, unsupportable idea IMHO.

Ophiolite · Aug 12, 2019

Aman777 said:
I will if you will get some Bible believing Christians to support my views or your views.

What nonsense is this? Are you hoping to goad me with deliberately ridiculous posts?

You are the one who claims there are many who support your views.
You are the one who claims you have a list of several hundred of them.

Why are you trying to shift responsibility for finding such individuals to me? I've told you that I think there are few if any who do support your eccentric views. It is your responsibility to demonstrate these individuals exist. Your continued refusal to approach a handful of them and ask them to post their support in this thread suggests I am correct: no one believes your nonsense.

Will you now behave in a courteous, responsible, honest fashion and respond positively to my request?

mark kennedy · Aug 12, 2019

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

So it occurred to me that I was making my argument against Evolution to complex, looking for the inner workings that just weren't there. I now realize the problem is very simple: you are suggesting that with a change in selection pressures, monkeys could give rise to different humans - humans that are like monkeys, but that are nothing like us.

The argument neglects one thing, that humans might develop into super human beings, before monkeys evolve into different human beings - there would be a conflict between super humans and different humans?

The whole thing hinges on whether you are satisfied with what you are already. For example, if selection pressures favoured being human but not super human, but monkeys still became different human beings, those different human beings might develop into super different human beings.

EDIT: You could also ask "would different selection pressures, mean different monkeys and then different humans?" - it all depends on what you mean by selection pressure, right?

You are basically required to be paranoid, about how quickly other species might develop something better than human - because you can't let go of the idea that humans are already developed. If you didn't need to gratify your ego, you would realize that the only humans that are going to outdo the rest, are the ones that are already here!

That is highly unlikely, monkeys are so far back in our supposed lineage selective pressure is hardly a major factor. We may bot have enough time left to worry about millions of years of evolution with so many primate species facing possible extinction events.

Aman777 · Aug 12, 2019

Ophiolite said:
What nonsense is this? Are you hoping to goad me with deliberately ridiculous posts?

You are the one who claims there are many who support your views.
You are the one who claims you have a list of several hundred of them.

Why are you trying to shift responsibility for finding such individuals to me? I've told you that I think there are few if any who do support your eccentric views. It is your responsibility to demonstrate these individuals exist. Your continued refusal to approach a handful of them and ask them to post their support in this thread suggests I am correct: no one believes your nonsense.

Will you now behave in a courteous, responsible, honest fashion and respond positively to my request?

I am just a man but your post reminds me of Jesus and how all of His disciples abandoned Him on the Cross leaving only His mother and His favorite disciple with Him. By your reasoning, NO one would ever follow Jesus. Amen?

Ophiolite · Aug 12, 2019

Aman777 said:
I am just a man but your post reminds me of Jesus and how all of His disciples abandoned Him on the Cross leaving only His mother and His favorite disciple with Him. By your reasoning, NO one would ever follow Jesus. Amen?

Stop diverting from the issue. I have said nothing in any of my posts about following Jesus. I shall lay it out once again, for it is not my intention to let you wriggle of the hook.

1. You have made, repeatedly, a series of interpretations of Scripture that I have never seen made by any other cleric, Christian, denomination, group or individual in any forum, website, book, magazine, documentary, research paper or other source.
2, You have made repeatedly, a series of claims allegedly based upon these bizarre readings of Scripture, but appearing more likely to have arisen from your imagination, that concern the origin of humans.
3. You claim that many people agree with your beliefs, but refuse to ask any of them to declare that belief here on CF. (And strangely, none of those who you say agree with you are prepared to volunteer that agreement.)

It is point number 3. we are dealing with. I am asking you again, for the fourth, fifth, or sixth time to address it. Either arrange for two or three of your supporters to openly declare their support for your beliefs, or concede that you were mistaken in thinking others agreed with you.

If choose neither of these options the consequences will be on your head.

Speedwell · Aug 12, 2019

I, for one, would be satisfied with references to works of theology or Bible commentary which supported, or even vaguely resembled Aman's views.

Lost4words · Aug 12, 2019

If you ever get the chance to talk with a monkey, they are adamant that they came from humans!

Bungle_Bear · Aug 12, 2019

Aman777 said:
Not so, UNLESS you can tell us how ancient men who lived 3k years ago KNEW and correctly wrote the Scientific Fact that it was a long time AFTER the Big Bang until the first Stars lit up. Genesis did. What it shows is that a Day to God is billions of years in man's time.

Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-born-big-bang Feb 28, 2018 - The first stars lit the cosmos by 180 million years after the Big Bang,

Again, lots of noise with no content. Assertions based on your fantasy misinterpretations of the bible do not constitute evidence. I, and several other posters, have repeatedly demonstrated the errors and dishonesty of your claims. You have failed to provide a single example of support for your assertions.

Ophiolite · Aug 12, 2019

Lost4words said:
If you ever get the chance to talk with a monkey, they are adamant that they came from humans!

I shouldn't pay too much heed to their rambling. Monkeys are well known for having tall tales.

So with a change in selection pressures, monkeys could give rise to different humans?

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