LDS Mormons Say "There are many cults and many false faiths..."

mmksparbud · Aug 11, 2019

He is the way said:
Yes Jesus did need to do the works the Father gave Him to do:

(New Testament | John 5:36)

36 ¶ But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

(New Testament | John 10:37 - 38)

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

(New Testament | John 14:12)

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

(New Testament | Luke 13:31 - 32)

31 ¶ The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

What you can not comprehend is that if Jesus had not done one thing that was asked of Him---He forever from everlasting unto all eternity was and is and will be God with The Father. He came and proved to mankind that, together with Him and His Father, we too, can become obedient to the will of God. He came for the express purpose of saving us from the wages of sin---which is death, because He loved us. On the third day He finished what He came to do.

mmksparbud · Aug 11, 2019

He is the way said:
God does not teach false doctrine or commandments, but He does reveal new doctrine such as the sacrament which is not found in the Old Testament.

Apparently, He didn't need it. Never mentioned it.

mmksparbud · Aug 11, 2019

Lost4words said:
Jesus was always going to finish His work on earth and, He always was, and always shall be, perfect. He could NEVER lose His 'Godhood'.

You tell them, puppy!

He is the way · Aug 11, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Apparently, He didn't need it. Never mentioned it.

It sounds very important to me:

(New Testament | John 6:53 - 56)

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 12, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
There are many cults and many false faiths, there are many strange ideas in the world, but if we will search these revelations then we will be fortified against errors and we will be made strong.”

It is truth that the world is full of many cults, many false faiths, many strange ideas in the world.....
but it seems that searching 'these revelations' did not fortify anyone against errors - they merely got worse still....

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 12, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
That sure causes a divide between Christians and Mormons! God's will is not to teach false commandments and doctrines that are not of Him.

That sure causes a great divide between all Ekklesia who are born again by the will of the Father in heaven, and everyone else on earth, Jew and gentile, Christian and non-christian who is not born again.

Peter1000 · Aug 12, 2019

Lost4words said:
Jesus was always going to finish His work on earth and, He always was, and always shall be, perfect. He could NEVER lose His 'Godhood'.

He was not perfected, per the scriptures until he went through the atoning sacrifice and the resurrection and exaltation. It is this process that when finished by the Lord, God was able to apply back to Jesus the glory that Jesus shared with him before his incarnation. If Jesus had not learned obedience from what he suffered, he would not have been given that glory back because all the children of God would have been lost.

He is the way · Aug 12, 2019

mmksparbud said:
What you can not comprehend is that if Jesus had not done one thing that was asked of Him---He forever from everlasting unto all eternity was and is and will be God with The Father. He came and proved to mankind that, together with Him and His Father, we too, can become obedient to the will of God. He came for the express purpose of saving us from the wages of sin---which is death, because He loved us. On the third day He finished what He came to do.

He did finish the work that was given to Him. We also need to finish the work that is given to us:

(New Testament | John 15:14)

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

(New Testament | Matthew 7:21)

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Peter1000 · Aug 12, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
It is truth that the world is full of many cults, many false faiths, many strange ideas in the world.....
but it seems that searching 'these revelations' did not fortify anyone against errors - they merely got worse still....

You are exactly right, it got worse, and worse. It is called the apostasy.

Peter1000 · Aug 12, 2019

Lost4words said:
Jesus was always going to finish His work on earth and, He always was, and always shall be, perfect. He could NEVER lose His 'Godhood'.

That may be true, but until the time that he did finish his work, he was not perfected.

When Jesus told John at his baptism that let's do this to fulfill all righteousness, Jesus was telling us that if he had not been baptized by John by full immersion in the river Jordan, he would not have fulfilled all righteousness and therefore what do you think would have happened to him, not being fully righteous?

mmksparbud · Aug 12, 2019

He is the way said:
He did finish the work that was given to Him. We also need to finish the work that is given to us:

(New Testament | John 15:14)

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

(New Testament | Matthew 7:21)

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Yes, He finished what He came for. But all is not finished unti8l He says "It us done" at the very end.

Rev_16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

mmksparbud · Aug 12, 2019

Peter1000 said:
That may be true, but until the time that he did finish his work, he was not perfected.

When Jesus told John at his baptism that let's do this to fulfill all righteousness, Jesus was telling us that if he had not been baptized by John by full immersion in the river Jordan, he would not have fulfilled all righteousness and therefore what do you think would have happened to him, not being fully righteous?

He was perfected means He was finished---it is not 2 separate things! It's been shown you many times.

Peter1000 · Aug 15, 2019

mmksparbud said:
He was perfected means He was finished---it is not 2 separate things! It's been shown you many times.

It is not 2 separate things, it is one object. Finish my work and in the process I am perfected, and I can have glory added to me again as before. No finish, no glory. Glad he did the will of the Father always, and finished.

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