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Peter1000 · Aug 10, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Joseph Smith wrote:
64 And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water.

65 And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man.

66 And he heard a voice out of heaven, saying: Thou art baptized with fire, and with the Holy Ghost. This is the record of the Father, and the Son, from henceforth and forever;

67 And thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity.

68 Behold, thou art one in me, a son of God; and thus may all become my sons. Amen. (Moses 6:64-68)

The church of the devil must have been given power over the Jews? They don't have that.

The Jews lost a lot of the words of God for their rejection of him. By 500bc they were totally in the dark about God and everything to do with him. This is not a controversial saying.

So if the Jews did not have this information about the baptism of Adam, it is because they lost it, or burned it to purge themselves of such nonsense.

I wouldn't use the Jews for an example for much of anything.

He is the way · Aug 10, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Joseph Smith wrote:
64 And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water.

65 And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man.

66 And he heard a voice out of heaven, saying: Thou art baptized with fire, and with the Holy Ghost. This is the record of the Father, and the Son, from henceforth and forever;

67 And thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity.

68 Behold, thou art one in me, a son of God; and thus may all become my sons. Amen. (Moses 6:64-68)

The church of the devil must have been given power over the Jews? They don't have that.

There are many things the Jews don't have including the knowledge of Jesus Christ. They don't accept the New Testament yet. Ant there are those who do not accept the Book of Mormon. What does the Bible say about obedience?

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 9)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

There are some people that still do nor realize that eternal salvation is through obedience:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 100:16 - 17)

16 For I will raise up unto myself a pure people, that will serve me in righteousness;
17 And all that call upon the name of the Lord, and keep his commandments, shall be saved. Even so. Amen.

(New Testament | Revelation 20:13)

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

(New Testament | Titus 1:16)

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

And finally, who will God have mercy on???

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

mmksparbud · Aug 10, 2019

Peter1000 said:
'Out of love' is a reason to give a gift. God hates some people because of their actions. He loves other people because of their actions and gives them gifts.

He gives His gifts because He loves them. People's actions come about because of the love He shows them before they have good actions. His gift of salvation came before any good actions:
Rom_5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
You just don't seem to get how great the love of God is. Study the bible and not JS--he does not have truth.

mmksparbud · Aug 10, 2019

Peter1000 said:
The Jews lost a lot of the words of God for their rejection of him. By 500bc they were totally in the dark about God and everything to do with him. This is not a controversial saying.

So if the Jews did not have this information about the baptism of Adam, it is because they lost it, or burned it to purge themselves of such nonsense.

I wouldn't use the Jews for an example for much of anything.

He is the way said:
There are many things the Jews don't have including the knowledge of Jesus Christ. They don't accept the New Testament yet. Ant there are those who do not accept the Book of Mormon. What does the Bible say about obedience?

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 9)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

There are some people that still do nor realize that eternal salvation is through obedience:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 100:16 - 17)

16 For I will raise up unto myself a pure people, that will serve me in righteousness;
17 And all that call upon the name of the Lord, and keep his commandments, shall be saved. Even so. Amen.

(New Testament | Revelation 20:13)

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

(New Testament | Titus 1:16)

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

And finally, who will God have mercy on???

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Because the Jews rejected the light they had, does not mean we should reject the light we have and go chasing after a false light. They had the truth and Jesus Himself said so.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

They did not have the NT yet---the scriptures here are the OT. It is they wich all 1st Christians were converted by.
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Act 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
Act 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

The eunich was reading Isaiah. That was what converted Him. We don't need the writings of JS anymore than the woman at the well or the Ethiopian eunich for salvation and the knowledge of Jesus.

He is the way · Aug 10, 2019

mmksparbud said:
He gives His gifts because He loves them. People's actions come about because of the love He shows them before they have good actions. His gift of salvation came before any good actions:
Rom_5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
You just don't seem to get how great the love of God is. Study the bible and not JS--he does not have truth.

You seem to forget who LOVES Jesus and who does not LOVE Him:

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(New Testament | John 14:24)

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Those who know not to sin should NOT sin:

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 16)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

It is worse for those who return to sin:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:21 - 22)

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

He is the way · Aug 10, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Because the Jews rejected the light they had, does not mean we should reject the light we have and go chasing after a false light. They had the truth and Jesus Himself said so.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

They did not have the NT yet---the scriptures here are the OT. It is they wich all 1st Christians were converted by.
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Act 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
Act 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

The eunich was reading Isaiah. That was what converted Him. We don't need the writings of JS amuymore than the woman at the well or the Ethiopian eunich for salvation and the knowledge of Jesus.

It is not all about us, it also pertains to our ancestors:

(Old Testament | Malachi 4:5 - 6)

5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

mmksparbud · Aug 10, 2019

He is the way said:
You seem to forget who LOVES Jesus and who does not LOVE Him:

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(New Testament | John 14:24)

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Those who know not to sin should NOT sin:

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 16)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

It is worse for those who return to sin:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:21 - 22)

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I haven't forgotten anything. Your posts have little to do with the discussions. Which was

He is the way said:
There are many things the Jews don't have including the knowledge of Jesus Christ. They don't accept the New Testament yet. Ant there are those who do not accept the Book of Mormon. What does the Bible say about obedience?

Peter1000 said:
The Jews lost a lot of the words of God for their rejection of him. By 500bc they were totally in the dark about God and everything to do with him. This is not a controversial saying.

So if the Jews did not have this information about the baptism of Adam, it is because they lost it, or burned it to purge themselves of such nonsense.

I wouldn't use the Jews for an example for much of anything.

Which is what was answered.

mmksparbud said:
Because the Jews rejected the light they had, does not mean we should reject the light we have and go chasing after a false light. They had the truth and Jesus Himself said so.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

They did not have the NT yet---the scriptures here are the OT. It is they wich all 1st Christians were converted by.
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Act 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
Act 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

The eunich was reading Isaiah. That was what converted Him. We don't need the writings of JS anymore than the woman at the well or the Ethiopian eunich for salvation and the knowledge of Jesus.

I do not get your response as having anything to with these discussions so far.

mmksparbud · Aug 10, 2019

He is the way said:
It is not all about us, it also pertains to our ancestors:

(Old Testament | Malachi 4:5 - 6)

5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus has everyone's salvation well in hand and requires nothing from the writings of JS. Your baptism of the dead theory has been explained many times over as having nothing to do with your rituals.
I need to set up a page where I can just go to, to repeat all the statements made that nullify your theories. Much faster than to look them up each time.

Rescued One · Aug 10, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Our doctrine is well known to us. In the spirit world all people will have a chance to learn the fullness of the gospel and to either accept it or reject it. Since you are already a believer, when you die you will go to the paradise part of the spirit world where you will continue to learn about Jesus Christ, only in a much more straight-forward expansive manner.

No, I totally reject Mormonism. It is an abomination to God!

Peter1000 said:
Those that go to the prison part of the spirit world are those that totally ignored the principles that Jesus taught and totally ignored the impulses from the Holy Spirit and did things destructive to their eternal lives.

Prove it.

Peter1000 said:
They too, however, will have the opportunity to learn of Jesus Christ and have the opportunity to come out of the prison if they faithfully repent and do those things that is the will of God. But understand one thing: before this prison is shut for good (as you say, it is temporary) all will bend their knees and bow their head and confess that Jesus is their savior. With that confession, even most of these will be saved in the lowest level of heaven. Some, who confess, with no change of heart, will go to the permanent hell, called outer darkness, where none of the Godhead will ever visit again.

Why should anyone believe that you were ever taught that? You are not a spokesperson for your church.

Peter1000 said:
There is one thing to learn about 1/100 of life of Christ and his principles from the bible, it is another thing to learn the other 99/100. The spirit world is the perfect place for that learning. You personally will love every minute of it. Look forward to it.

Joseph Smith is accursed!

Rescued One · Aug 10, 2019

Peter1000 said:
'Out of love' is a reason to give a gift. God hates some people because of their actions. He loves other people because of their actions and gives them gifts.

You have no concept of mercy nor does your religion. Everything has to be earned. You can't earn salvation --- that's egotistical.

He is the way · Aug 11, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Jesus has everyone's salvation well in hand and requires nothing from the writings of JS. Your baptism of the dead theory has been explained many times over as having nothing to do with your rituals.
I need to set up a page where I can just go to, to repeat all the statements made that nullify your theories. Much faster than to look them up each time.

Jesus can not save everyone:

(New Testament | Matthew 12:31 - 32)

31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

mmksparbud · Aug 11, 2019

He is the way said:
Jesus can not save everyone:

(New Testament | Matthew 12:31 - 32)

31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

He can not save the fallen angels, It is too late for them---He can save those that accept Him, those that ask forgiveness for whatever sins they committed. Those that turn their backs on the pleading of the Holy Spirit, He can not save for the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin. Those who refuse to acknowledge the call of the Holy Spirit will fall into false doctrines---which is what Mormonism teaches. They turn from the real God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to a made up Godhood that they can be a part of.

He is the way · Aug 11, 2019

mmksparbud said:
He can not save the fallen angels, It is too late for them---He can save those that accept Him, those that ask forgiveness for whatever sins they committed. Those that turn their backs on the pleading of the Holy Spirit, He can not save for the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin. Those who refuse to acknowledge the call of the Holy Spirit will fall into false doctrines---which is what Mormonism teaches. They turn from the real God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to a made up Godhood that they can be a part of.

(New Testament | John 17:11 - 23)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

mmksparbud · Aug 11, 2019

He is the way said:
(New Testament | John 17:11 - 23)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

As you keep saying about your Godhead---"one in Purpose!" We will never be one in substance, one in power and divinity.

He is the way · Aug 11, 2019

mmksparbud said:
As you keep saying about your Godhead---"one in Purpose!" We will never be one in substance, one in power and divinity.

We won't be one in substance. Each of us will have our very own resurrected spiritual body.

mmksparbud · Aug 11, 2019

He is the way said:
We won't be one in substance. Each of us will have our very own resurrected spiritual body.

Yes---and it will not be the same as God the Father, it will be as God the Son IN HIS HUMANITY. We can not have His divinity which He shares with the Father.

He is the way · Aug 11, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Yes---and it will not be the same as God the Father, it will be as God the Son IN HIS HUMANITY. We can not have His divinity which He shares with the Father.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 19)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

mmksparbud · Aug 11, 2019

He is the way said:
(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 19)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

None of this means you are going to be the god of your own planet with multiple wives to populate it with. We are adopted, therefore not THE NATURAL CHILDREN---YOU CAN NOT ADOPT A NATURUAL CHILD---THEY ARE YOURS. ADOPTION, BY DEFINITION MEANS THEY ARE NOT NATURALLY YOURS.

Peter1000 · Aug 11, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
No, I totally reject Mormonism. It is an abomination to God!

Tell us something we don't already know.

Prove it.

You prove its not true.

Why should anyone believe that you were ever taught that? You are not a spokesperson for your church.

Whoever said I was a spokesman for my church?

Joseph Smith is accursed!

That's what the Jews said about Jesus, so JS is in good company.

Peter1000 · Aug 11, 2019

mmksparbud said:
None of this means you are going to be the god of your own planet with multiple wives to populate it with. We are adopted, therefore not THE NATURAL CHILDREN---YOU CAN NOT ADOPT A NATURUAL CHILD---THEY ARE YOURS. ADOPTION, BY DEFINITION MEANS THEY ARE NOT NATURALLY YOURS.

By law are adopted children heirs with the natural children. I have an adopted son, and he will share with our natural children everything that we leave. We love him as much as we love our natural children.

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