Trump Supporters Clean Up West Baltimore And The Liberal Media Are Irritated

Aldebaran · Aug 9, 2019

JosephZ said:
It doesn't matter how the MSM reports the story, the premise of never do for others what they can do for themselves still applies.

The volunteers should come from within the city, community, or neighborhood; it shouldn't be outsiders doing the work for them.

How long do you think the community that was just cleaned up will stay that way? A couple of weeks? Months?

Since this group cleaned up the neighborhood once already, who's going to clean it up next time?

Since the people living there saw that by doing nothing people from outside their community eventually came and cleaned it up for them, what motivation do they have to clean it up once the trash starts pilling up again? This neighborhood apparently remained in a squalid condition for years and the people living there didn't do anything about it, so why would they now? Especially now that they know there are other people willing to do it for them?

Things don't get done because the people living in these communities either aren't willing to do what needs to be done, or they don't have a problem with the current situation. If their politicians are the ones convincing them that they must accept things the way they are, then there needs to be a movement from within that community to replace those politicians. As the saying goes, "only a spider can fix it's own web."

"Thank you for helping us," or "thank you for doing for us what we should have been doing ourselves?"

The better response as I mentioned in my earlier post would have been to approach leaders in the community and organize the residents who live in this area to clean up the neighborhood themselves. Had the people living in this community done the work themselves, they would have felt a since of pride in their accomplishment and would have the motivation to keep their community clean in the future.

When others do work for people who are fully capable of doing it themselves, it leads to dependency.

I understand and agree that people should do for themselves what they can. However, the leadership of areas such as this have conditioned them to live as they do, and to rely on someone else to do what needs to be done. If nothing else, at least these volunteers have set an example for them, showing what a small group of people are able to accomplish--and what the results look like. Perhaps it will spur the citizens of that area to act on their own to continue it. Or, they might listen to their politicians who promise "Free Stuff", and will continue to convince them that they are victims who need to have things done for them. We'll wait and see which way it goes.

Gigimo · Aug 9, 2019

redleghunter said:
A most valid point. And I think that is what Trump was getting at. What are these local leaders doing for the people with their own tax money and the millions the fed.gov gives them.

Millions, more like billions I've seen articles listing about 24 billion and I have a sneaking suspicion that isn't all of it. The thing is what is this money being spent on because it seem to be obvious what it "isn't" being spent on.

Gigimo · Aug 9, 2019

brinny said:
Do you mean "criminals"?

For the ones currently in charge I don't think that is a stretch.

Foxfyre · Aug 9, 2019

JosephZ said:
"Never do for others what they can do for themselves" -- Saul Alinsky

The proper way for this group to address this situation would have been to approach leaders in the community and organize the residents who lived in this area to clean up the neighborhood themselves. Outsiders coming into a community and doing the work that the people living there are perfectly capable of doing themselves not only sends the wrong message, it also ends up causing more harm than good in many cases.

Then why didn't you do that? Or why didn't the Mayor of Baltiomore do that? Or any of the local pastors. Or any of the I-hate-Trump-all-the-time media? The residents for any number of reasons obviously were not doing it. But now with a start on something that looked so hopeless, they might, just might be inspired to keep it going.

I guarantee you that if it had been Jesse Jackson or Oprah or any of the Democrats in Congress or otherwise somebody of the 'politically correct' crowd who had gotten folks together to do such a monumental good deed, the same media snarking about this project would be singing its praises instead.

There is always a different way to do anything. Often a better way to do most things. But when a group of people give of their time, talent, labor, and money to do a good deed for no other reason than it needed to be done, those people deserve credit and applause. Not hateful people who would have rather the trash stay there forever if getting it removed means giving somebody who is politically incorrect any credit for it.

It just makes a body want to scream at the hypocrisy of it.

Blade · Aug 9, 2019

Gussing we wont see watch this on some media news outlets. Praise GOD glory to Jesus.. let us ALL come together and help each other.. Dem Rep.. all of us..FOR CHRIST!

LostMarbels · Aug 10, 2019

I absolutely love this, and will most certainly be involved in any efforts over my way. This reminds me of being a kid in the 1980's and how we used to do this in Boy Scouts. I was also involved in meals on wheels, and used to go to inner cities with my youth group. My daughter is in the same programs with my church and the youth group even went to New Orleans to help Katrina victims. I will definitely support and volunteer for this effort.

LostMarbels · Aug 10, 2019

JosephZ said:
When others do work for people who are fully capable of doing it themselves, it leads to dependency.

Public utilities, garbage collection, street cleaning etc.... are not exactly personal citizen responsibilities nor are they just some sort of luxury someone gets dependant on.

section9+1 · Aug 10, 2019

When it is all about pure hatred, how can the other side possibly do anything right?

Jamesone5 · Aug 10, 2019

While I agree this is a good thing that they did, it has turned into at political activist thing.
This tells us from your article.

a group of Trump supporters led by conservative activist Scott Presler went to West Baltimore for a massive clean-up operation following tweets sent by President Donald Trump highlighting the dire conditions in the area.

Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

There is the truly charitable deed--not crowing about whether you are conservative activist or a Democrat.

12 tons is really is not a lot of trash, especially for 100 volunteers. Tires, old washers, heavy items add significantly to that weight total. I know because I was involved in our small town's clean-up where we hauled away 25 tons of garbage, including a lot of heavy items.

brinny · Aug 10, 2019

brinny said: ↑
Do you mean "criminals"?

Gigimo said:
For the ones currently in charge I don't think that is a stretch.

The mayor was forced to resign in May because of fraud and corruption. It's not a stretch at all.

miamited · Aug 10, 2019

redleghunter said:
Trump Supporters Clean Up West Baltimore And The Liberal Media Are Irritated

On Monday, a group of Trump supporters led by conservative activist Scott Presler went to West Baltimore for a massive clean-up operation following tweets sent by President Donald Trump highlighting the dire conditions in the area.

While the residents were thankful for the overhaul — well over 100 volunteers came together to remove 12 tons of trash, according to Presler — the liberal media were, uh, irritated. The media attacked the activist as an "extremist," questioned his motives, and scolded him for "reinforc[ing] the tired image that the poor people in this city can’t take care of their own neighborhoods."

Videos and photos of the work at the link: Trump Supporters Clean Up West Baltimore And The Liberal Media Are Irritated

Hi RLH,

I applaud the work that they did and would encourage that they not stop with just Baltimore. As another poster has said, Philadelphia apparently has some trashy neighborhoods and I know from my time in Miami-Dade that there are plenty of neighborhoods there that could use a general clean up. I think that most every big city has places that could use a 'clean up' day.

I think the papers make some good points in explaining how the people there, while certainly thankful for the help, overall, might be a bit wary of the 'purpose'. People who don't want to see President Trump re-elected, and I'm sure in most any good sized city there are at least a few, don't want to give any kind of good deed credit for anything that he does or may be behind. But, I think that's pretty standard in politics.

Right now in the political realm, Republicans don't want to give Democrats a chance to do anything that might be perceived as good and vice versa. It's just a basic belief that if one party is seen as doing something good, then they're liable to win votes.

As far as what was written about Mr. Presler, he is a Republican activist. He does seminars that are titled 'Republican activism training'. Personally, he'd likely be better accepted overall if he just set up these clean up days, (he now has one scheduled for Newark NJ 8/25) without the party affiliation. Just call on people, Republicans, Democrats, Independents and others to come out and clean up cities. So yes, I'm confident that's part of why his motives are questioned. He tends to want to make this a political party issue rather than a just, "Hey, let's all pitch in and help."

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In Christ, ted

tulc · Aug 10, 2019

I liked this response:
Don’t condemn conservatives for doing a good deed

I want the best for our city. Yes, President Donald Trump is the worst. The GOP is spineless and obsequious in their support of this terrible pap smear of a person. And yes, this suburban conservative who organized other conservatives and cleaned up trash for a day in West Baltimore was taking an opportunity to make the president look good (“We assume it was pure motives that led a Trump supporter to launch a cleanup in Cummings’ district, right?” Aug. 6). But hopefully next month the conservatives will come back to clean up again for a day, and I’ll be there with them, keeping my mouth shut because that’s what you do when somebody wants to do something good for the people of Baltimore.

tulc(can agree with this) :wave:

Foxfyre · Aug 10, 2019

Jamesone5 said:
While I agree this is a good thing that they did, it has turned into at political activist thing.
This tells us from your article.

a group of Trump supporters led by conservative activist Scott Presler went to West Baltimore for a massive clean-up operation following tweets sent by President Donald Trump highlighting the dire conditions in the area.

Matthew 6:3
But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

There is the truly charitable deed--not crowing about whether you are conservative activist or a Democrat.

12 tons is really is not a lot of trash, especially for 100 volunteers. Tires, old washers, heavy items add significantly to that weight total. I know because I was involved in our small town's clean-up where we hauled away 25 tons of garbage, including a lot of heavy items.

So who is more questionable re their motive?

A bunch of Republicans who get together to do a really good deed and ask absolutely nothing in return?
. . .or. . .
Somebody who questions their motive and says 12 tons isn't all that much?

Silverback · Aug 10, 2019

redleghunter said:
I was in Philadelphia shortly after that MOVE incident. But only by Franklin field for the Penn relays.

The move incident, wasn't that the bomb the COPS dropped on those row homes? I was stationed there in the Navy, there are some very nice areas in Philadelphia, good food too.

LostMarbels · Aug 10, 2019

Silverback said:
The move incident, wasn't that the bomb the COPS dropped on those row homes? I was stationed there in the Navy, there are some very nice areas in Philadelphia, good food too.

Geno's, mmmmmmm.....Cheesesteak.

LostMarbels · Aug 10, 2019

Jamesone5 said:
While I agree this is a good thing that they did, it has turned into at political activist thing.

And?

Jamesone5 said:
12 tons is really is not a lot of trash,

Sure, first off, lets disregard the fact we are talking about 12 tons of garbage strewn around the streets and sidewalks. A typical garbage dump truck holds about 9 tons of trash. Go get just 1 full truck and throw the trash all over the place in your neighborhood. Check out how much 9 tons of garbage isn't. Your neighbors will love you.

redleghunter · Aug 10, 2019

Silverback said:
The move incident, wasn't that the bomb the COPS dropped on those row homes? I was stationed there in the Navy, there are some very nice areas in Philadelphia, good food too.

Yes the mayor ordered a row of houses bombed.

Silverback · Aug 10, 2019

redleghunter said:
Yes the mayor ordered a row of houses bombed.

Terrible, was that Wilson Goode? sounds like Frank Rizzo.

redleghunter · Aug 10, 2019

Silverback said:
Terrible, was that Wilson Goode? sounds like Frank Rizzo.

Former Philadelphia Mayor W. Wilson Goode Sr., who led the city in 1985 when police dropped a bomb on a rowhouse and caused an inferno that killed 11 people and destroyed more than 60 homes.

In 2018 the city named a street after Goode Sr.

redleghunter · Aug 10, 2019

Philadelphia's Osage Avenue police bombing, 30 years on: 'This story is a parable' | Philadelphia | The Guardian

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