So with a change in selection pressures, monkeys could give rise to different humans?

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Lots of claims, no evidence.

You are ignoring the tools that where made before then, the hunting and hurding. The gathering and the organization of tribes for that. In short, you are picking one development, claiming it is not possible for the humans of the era to discover it without outside help, and ignoring all the other developments they would have had, but dont know much about because they didn't settle in one spot for long.

The first Humans were made on another world, a world which was underwater. Genesis 1:6-7 They had farming, city building, smelting and the traits of modern Humans. Genesis 4:17-22 describes a modern world and NOT people who live in Caves. It's the difference between the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans, who are the descendants of Adam.

Also, you can claim there was no humans if Noah's sons married woman. If they where from another dimension, I would be amazed that they are similar enough to breed, much less breath our air and eat our food.

You are making a big claim on scant evidence.

The evidence can be found in the chromosome 2 fusion. The oldest archaic group of Humans (Noah's descendants) married and produced children with the prehistoric people who had been on Earth for some 6 Million years AFTER they had diverged from Chimps.

This younger species (sons of God) married the grandsons of Noah (Humans) and produced the modern Humans we find today. That's God's Truth Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically and mathematically. Amen?
 
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The first Humans were made on another world, a world which was underwater. Genesis 1:6-7 They had farming, city building, smelting and the traits of modern Humans. Genesis 4:17-22 describes a modern world and NOT people who live in Caves. It's the difference between the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans, who are the descendants of Adam.



The evidence can be found in the chromosome 2 fusion. The oldest archaic group of Humans (Noah's descendants) married and produced children with the prehistoric people who had been on Earth for some 6 Million years AFTER they had diverged from Chimps.

This younger species (sons of God) married the grandsons of Noah (Humans) and produced the modern Humans we find today. That's God's Truth Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically and mathematically. Amen?

You may want to read up more on chromosome 2.

Chromosome 2 - Wikipedia

It is a fusion of two ape chromosome. And evidence suggest it happened millions of years ago, well before your 11,000 claim.

I find it hard to believe that beings from another dimension had two chromosomes merged that replicates ancestral apes.

Looks like evolution to me
 
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Not so, since you didn't include the meaning of the entire verse. Here it is;

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God (Jesus) said, Behold, the man (Adam) is become as one of Us, (Trinity) to know good and evil:

Adam did NOT become God but came to know both good and evil which is one of God's traits. Unless you know both good and evil, you cannot judge or be judged.

and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

IF Adam could have eaten of the tree of Life AFTER he sinned, mankind would have lived in sin forever. Notice also, the difference between Adam and prehistoric people. Adam was made with the intelligence of God and prehistoric people lived for millions of years before they also became the descendants of Adam. (Humans) Adam FARMED with no millions of years of "evolution". Amen?
According to you, then, we have Godlike intelligence simply because we recognise the difference between good and evil. Just stop for a moment, take a step back and consider the inanity of that argument.
 
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You may want to read up more on chromosome 2.
Chromosome 2 - Wikipedia

It is a fusion of two ape chromosome. And evidence suggest it happened millions of years ago, well before your 11,000 claim.

I find it hard to believe that beings from another dimension had two chromosomes merged that replicates ancestral apes.

Looks like evolution to me

Looks like descent with modification to me. The modification being that it changed the offspring of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and Humans (descendants of Adam) with NO magical evolution, which no one can explain the process of putting God's superior intelligence into Apes, anyway. It's simple and the fusion of chromosome 2 happens in mules, ligers and Humans. It's when an ancient species produces children with a younger species. God says it this way:

Gen 6:4 There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I believe God's Truth from more than 3k years ago which shows how and when prehistoric people, on planet Earth, INHERITED our superior intelligence which is like God's. Genesis 3:22 If you can tell us the difference between His and Their kinds in Genesis 1, you might have something to teach us.
 
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According to you, then, we have Godlike intelligence simply because we recognise the difference between good and evil. Just stop for a moment, take a step back and consider the inanity of that argument.

I have and I find it unique to Humans only. Can you tell us of ANY animal which posts? Of course not. They are not intelligent enough. Prove me wrong. Have any animal you can find start a discussion with me. You cannot because only God and Humans (descendants of Adam) have inherited Adam's unique, special intelligence, which is superior to any other in the Universe. Genesis 3:22
 
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You may be, though you can't seem to find any reliable evidence for that claim. But you are also an ape.

Correction, My Human blood has been contaminated with the blood of people who diverged from Chimps 6 million years ago. This matters ONLY in the present 2nd Universe since flesh and blood CANNOT enter the 3rd Heaven. Humans were made long BEFORE Apes, but today's science is ignorant of it.
 
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Correction, My Human blood has been contaminated with the blood of people who diverged from Chimps 6 million years ago. This matters ONLY in the present 2nd Universe since flesh and blood CANNOT enter the 3rd Heaven. Humans were made long BEFORE Apes, but today's science is ignorant of it.
Sorry, there is not even biblical "evidence" for your beliefs. You self refute.
 
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I have and I find it unique to Humans only. Can you tell us of ANY animal which posts? Of course not. They are not intelligent enough. Prove me wrong. Have any animal you can find start a discussion with me. You cannot because only God and Humans (descendants of Adam) have inherited Adam's unique, special intelligence, which is superior to any other in the Universe. Genesis 3:22
What has any of that got to do with recognising good and evil? When you demonstrate that such knowledge is the intelligence of God we can move forward. Until then you have no argument.
 
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Aman:>>Humans were made long BEFORE Apes, but today's science is ignorant of it.

Sorry, there is not even biblical "evidence" for your beliefs. You self refute.

Adam was "formed" from the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day according to Genesis 2:4-9 This was BEFORE plants, herbs and trees which GREW on the THIRD Day. Genesis 1:12 Your false accusation is refuted or proven wrong Scripturally.

Adam was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually at the SAME time Eve was born again. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Now, it's your time to explain since Eve was NOT made from Adam's rib until the 6th Day. Genesis 2:22
 
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What has any of that got to do with recognising good and evil? When you demonstrate that such knowledge is the intelligence of God we can move forward. Until then you have no argument.

Without that knowledge there can be no Judgment. Human destiny is to have dominion or rule over "every living thing". Genesis 1:28 Our future is to use our unique intellectual ability to Judge in order to carry out God's wishes in Heaven.

Gen 1:28 So God created man in His own Image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them. Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

At NO time in Human history has mankind had dominion over mosquitoes, viruses or Angels. The above PROPHECY happens AFTER Jesus returns at the Rapture. That is the reason mindless Nature cannot explain WHERE our superior intelligence came from.
 
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Without that knowledge there can be no Judgment. Human destiny is to have dominion or rule over "every living thing". Genesis 1:28 Our future is to use our unique intellectual ability to Judge in order to carry out God's wishes in Heaven.

Gen 1:28 So God created man in His own Image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them. Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

At NO time in Human history has mankind had dominion over mosquitoes, viruses or Angels. The above PROPHECY happens AFTER Jesus returns at the Rapture. That is the reason mindless Nature cannot explain WHERE our superior intelligence came from.
This fails as religion, it's fourth rate science fiction and you have a lot of work to do to turn it into a stand-up routine.

I'm still waiting for you to get one of the members you claim agree with your ideas to post a statement of that agreement. Having trouble in that department?
 
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This fails as religion, it's fourth rate science fiction and you have a lot of work to do to turn it into a stand-up routine.

Hold your critique of the Holy Spirit until Judgment. I'm just a messenger. The Spirit of Truth is the Author. That's probably why you are so confused.

I'm still waiting for you to get one of the members you claim agree with your ideas to post a statement of that agreement. Having trouble in that department?

Of course not. It happens all the time but I don't defile their trust by naming them. It's easy to get the support of unbelievers who worship at the altar of science.
 
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Of course not. It happens all the time but I don't defile their trust by naming them.
I didn't ask you to defile their trust. I asked you to ask them to post a message of support for you in this thread.

If they agree with your ideas, surely they would be happy to make that statement of support, rather than leave you hanging out here to dry, with your ideas assaulted every day by several members. Of course, if they are ashamed to admit to believing in your unorthodox ideas that could explain their reluctance. That might be why very few members accord your posts "agree" awards. (And when they do it seems to be only when your posts match Christian orthodoxy.)
 
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Without that knowledge there can be no Judgment. Human destiny is to have dominion or rule over "every living thing". Genesis 1:28 Our future is to use our unique intellectual ability to Judge in order to carry out God's wishes in Heaven.

Gen 1:28 So God created man in His own Image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them. Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

At NO time in Human history has mankind had dominion over mosquitoes, viruses or Angels. The above PROPHECY happens AFTER Jesus returns at the Rapture. That is the reason mindless Nature cannot explain WHERE our superior intelligence came from.
Like I said, until you demonstrate that Godlike intelligence is a consequence of knowledge of good and evil you have nothing. So far you have failed to demonstrate anything beyond a particularly odd and unique misinterpretation of Genesis.
 
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Adam was "formed" from the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day according to Genesis 2:4-9 This was BEFORE plants, herbs and trees which GREW on the THIRD Day. Genesis 1:12 Your false accusation is refuted or proven wrong Scripturally.
You will have no problem reconciling this assertion with the apparent contradiction with Genesis 1, will you? I can reconcile Adam bring formed on day 6 per Genesis 1 with the story in Genesis 2, but I see no way to support your claim.
 
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Aman:>>Humans were made long BEFORE Apes, but today's science is ignorant of it.



Adam was "formed" from the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day according to Genesis 2:4-9 This was BEFORE plants, herbs and trees which GREW on the THIRD Day. Genesis 1:12 Your false accusation is refuted or proven wrong Scripturally.

Adam was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually at the SAME time Eve was born again. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Now, it's your time to explain since Eve was NOT made from Adam's rib until the 6th Day. Genesis 2:22
What evidence do you have for your peculiar interpretation of the Bible? What evidence do you have for any of your claims? Without evidence of appears that all you have is senseless babbling.
 
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I didn't ask you to defile their trust. I asked you to ask them to post a message of support for you in this thread.

Some 559 have and I have a list of them. A Creationist is not like an unbeliever. We don't get our stars by posting godless views which agree with other godless people. Many are called but few are chosen.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
 
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Like I said, until you demonstrate that Godlike intelligence is a consequence of knowledge of good and evil you have nothing. So far you have failed to demonstrate anything beyond a particularly odd and unique misinterpretation of Genesis.

Show us a higher intelligence than that of man. You cannot so it doesn't matter.
 
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You will have no problem reconciling this assertion with the apparent contradiction with Genesis 1, will you? I can reconcile Adam bring formed on day 6 per Genesis 1 with the story in Genesis 2, but I see no way to support your claim.

It's because you don't know HOW the Bible is organized. The FIRST 34 verses (Gen 1:1-Gen 2:3) tell us the entire HISTORY of the creation of God's perfect Heaven. Every other verse in the Bible refers BACK to one of these 7 Days/Ages of the creation and "adds details" to the events of that Day/Age.

Adam was "formed" physically from the ground on the 3rd Day, by Lord God/Jesus. Gen 2:4-9
Adam was "created" eternally, on the present 6th Day. Gen 1:27 by God the Trinity. Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16
 
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