Does God care about material restitution at all?

VCR-2000 · Aug 10, 2019

Does God care restitution of material or "earthly" things or does he only strictly care about spiritual things? If it's true that God only cares strictly about the non-material, honestly I don't like it. "He" is merely unwilling with regard to it. I suppose we can argue that he sometimes does care about where we live right now, but most of the time it doesn't seem that it at all.

I would also question if there is any meaning to the current existence at all besides just being "tested".

thecolorsblend · Aug 10, 2019

Yes, restitution should be offered when and where possible.

Otherwise, we're left to believe that someone can steal millions of dollars from a bank, ask for God's forgiveness and then keep the stolen money. I simply cannot think like that.

There may be real and serious consequences to offering restitution. But restitution should still be made when it's possible to do so.

.Mikha'el. · Aug 10, 2019

VCR-2000 said:
Does God care restitution of material or "earthly" things or does he only strictly care about spiritual things? If it's true that God only cares strictly about the non-material, honestly I don't like it. "He" is merely unwilling with regard to it. I suppose we can argue that he sometimes does care about where we live right now, but most of the time it doesn't seem that it at all.

I would also question if there is any meaning to the current existence at all besides just being "tested".

I believe very much that He cares about how content we are in this life, and part of that will include material possession.

ChicanaRose · Aug 10, 2019

VCR-2000 said:
Does God care restitution of material or "earthly" things or does he only strictly care about spiritual things?

I believe so. Job was restored his material fortune times more.

VCR-2000 · Aug 10, 2019

What about entire societies at large? If we have a force working

ChicanaRose said:
I believe so. Job was restored his material fortune times more.

Then I'm going to read Job again sometimes.

Sabertooth · Aug 10, 2019

VCR-2000 said:
Does God care restitution of material or "earthly" things or does he only strictly care about spiritual things?

His care about "stuff" is part of His overall care plan for His people. Sometimes, other things, like character-building, take precedence. Other times, He has helped me find hard-to-find items for a completely trivial collection that I have.

Jesus said,
“Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you." Matthew 6:25-33 NKJV

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 NKJV

RDKirk · Aug 10, 2019

VCR-2000 said:
Does God care restitution of material or "earthly" things or does he only strictly care about spiritual things? If it's true that God only cares strictly about the non-material, honestly I don't like it. "He" is merely unwilling with regard to it. I suppose we can argue that he sometimes does care about where we live right now, but most of the time it doesn't seem that it at all.

I would also question if there is any meaning to the current existence at all besides just being "tested".

What do you mean by "restitution?"

Carl Emerson · Aug 10, 2019

Luke 18:

28 Peter said, “Behold, we have left our own homes and followed You.” 29 And He said to them, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 30 who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life.”

timewerx · Aug 10, 2019

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

OldWiseGuy · Aug 11, 2019

RDKirk said:
What do you mean by "restitution?"

My question as well. God is concerned with the restitution (restoration) of "all things".

Acts 3:20-21

20 "And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."

Hank77 · Aug 11, 2019

There are many examples of restitution in the OT. Exodus 21-22

I think the God is on the side of restitution. Not only is it justified but it makes peace between those involved, it erases hurt feelings and anger and makes way for forgiveness and mercy.

RDKirk · Aug 11, 2019

Hank77 said:
There are many examples of restitution in the OT. Exodus 21-22

I think the God is on the side of restitution. Not only is it justified but it makes peace between those involved, it erases hurt feelings and anger and makes way for forgiveness and mercy.

OldWiseGuy said:
My question as well. God is concerned with the restitution (restoration) of "all things".

Acts 3:20-21

20 "And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."

Two different kinds of "restitution," however. The Mosaic Law "restitution" was purely physical and temporal, as was the entirety of the Mosaic Law.

"Restitution" in the New Testament means the return of all creation to the state God originally created it.

Jesus doesn't promise anyone a rose garden.

Hank77 · Aug 11, 2019

RDKirk said:
The Mosaic Law "restitution" was purely physical and temporal, as was the entirety of the Mosaic Law.

I don't think you understood what I was pointing out. The restitution in the Exodus 21-22 was between people, mostly for the lose of property. When I said it makes way for forgiveness and mercy that was forgiveness and mercy between people, not people and God.

RDKirk · Aug 11, 2019

Hank77 said:
I don't think you understood what I was pointing out. The restitution in the Exodus 21-22 was between people, mostly for the lose of property. When I said it makes way for forgiveness and mercy that was forgiveness and mercy between people, not people and God.

That makes no difference to what I said.

This thread is not about restitution between people.

VCR-2000 · Aug 11, 2019

RDKirk said:
Two different kinds of "restitution," however. The Mosaic Law "restitution" was purely physical and temporal, as was the entirety of the Mosaic Law.

"Restitution" in the New Testament means the return of all creation to the state God originally created it.

Jesus doesn't promise anyone a rose garden.

Why can't he do both?

RDKirk · Aug 12, 2019

VCR-2000 said:
Why can't he do both?

God Himself does not perform personal restitution in either case.

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