What about 2 Peter 2:4 "Tartarus"

What is this place that Peter mentions in the passage below?

2 Peter 2
1And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects, and the Master who bought them denying, bringing to themselves quick destruction, 2and many shall follow out their destructive ways, because of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of, 3and in covetousness, with moulded words, of you they shall make merchandise, whose judgment of old is not idle, and their destruction doth not slumber.

4For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved, 5and the old world did not spare, but the eighth person, Noah, of righteousness a preacher, did keep, a flood on the world of the impious having brought, 6and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah having turned to ashes, with an overthrow did condemn, an example to those about to be impious having set [them];
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Tartarus - Wikipedia

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night and Time.

In Greek mythology, Tartarus

Rick Otto said:

I think it may be where Tartar sauce comes from, not sure.

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I like the sauce that is put on the Filet O Fish from McDonald's
Jonah and Paul have a lot of similarities.
They were both told to go preach to the Heathen Gentiles.

The place Saul/Paul came from is also similar to the word "tarturus".....

Act 9:
11 So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying
15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.

Tarsus
Tarsus was a city in ancient Cilicia located in the modern-day province of Mersin, Turkey
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Also similar to "Tarshish" in book of Jonah......

Jon 1:
2 “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry out against it; for their wickedness has come up before Me.”
3 But Jonah arose to flee to Tarshish from the presence of the LORD. He went down to Joppa, and found a ship going to Tarshish; so he paid the fare, and went down into it, to go with them to Tarshish from the presence of the LORD

Tarshish - Wikipedia

Tarshish (Hebrew: תַּרְשִׁישׁ) occurs in the Hebrew Bible with several uncertain meanings, ... 100 A.D.), had been with inland town of Tarsus in Cilicia (south-central Turkey). American

Peter [and James] were Apostles commissioned to the Jews [whereas Paul was to the Gentiles] and generally wrote to the Diaspora of the 12 tribes.......

Diaspora Occurrences in the Bible and Their Contexts in Missions | Lausanne World Pulse Archives

“Diaspora” in the New Testament
The verbal substantive, diaspora, commonly translated as “scattered,” occurs only three times in the NT (John 7:35; James 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1).
In John 7:35, the Jews in Palestine raised the questions, “Where does this man intend to go that we cannot find him? Will he go where our people live scattered among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?” Through these questions by the Jews, I see their use of diaspora (“scattered”) as a reference to the Jewish minority in the midst of other religions—in this case the Greek-speaking environment.
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The Jews not read the Christian NT so I can only look at online sites to get their view of the Tartarus mentioned in the NT.

Is Peter's use of Tartarus adoptive of Hellenistic language or ideas?

One of the most prominent themes of ancient Jewish tradition, though usually suppressed by the later rabbis, was the idea that the “sons of God” in Genesis 6:1–3 were angels who lusted after women and so fell.
The term for “cast into hell” here is from the Greek name Tartarus, a place not only of holding for the wicked dead (and especially the Titans, the pre-Olympian supernatural beings), but of the severest conceivable tortures; it occurs elsewhere in Jewish literature as the place where the fallen angels were imprisoned.
Jewish writers also generally affirmed a current hell as a holding place for the wicked until the final judgment.4

Peter may have intentionally wrote in such a way as to allude both to pagan mythology as well as the biblical narrative.

2 Peter is a piece of apology and polemic, responding to a crisis in the church over God’s theodicy and the eschatological doctrine of the Parousia as the end of the world and its judgment. First, 2 Peter claims that heretics are already in the church: ‘false prophets’ who speak peace when doom is coming (2:1-3) and ‘scoffers’ who mock ‘the promise of his coming’ (3:3-4). They argue from the delay of the day of judgment that God will not judge; from the eternity of the world they argue against its predicted end.

Second, in response to this heresy, 2 Peter defends God’s coming judgment, appealing to images intelligible to pagans and Christians alike. The author affirms that ‘God did not spare’ the evil angels (2:4), Noah’s world (2:5), or Sodom and Gomorrah (2:6-8). As God once destroyed the world by water, so he can end it by fire (3:5-7). The biblical allusions are clear, but these examples could also be understood by pagans as references to their traditional myths of the Titans cast into Tartarus, the flood of Deucalion and Phyrra, and the fiery destruction of Phaethon. From these examples, 2 Peter concludes with the principle that God both rewards and punishes: ‘God knows how to rescue the godly…and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment’ (2:9-10). Third, he defends God’s alleged ‘slowness’ in judging. God’s time is mysterious, as the psalmist noted (3:8). God’s ‘slowness’ is really God’s long-suffering, giving sinners time to repent (3:9). Even Paul, notoriously difficult to understand, agrees with 2 Peter on God’s slowness to judge as God’s gift of long-suffering (3:15-16; see Rom. 2:4-6).5

Based not only on the use here of ταρταρόω6, but also on the near universal acceptance of New Testament writers of using ᾅδης (Hades) as a translation for שְׁאוֹל (Sheol, although ᾅδης is not used by Peter), it seems very plausible that the early Christians used Hellenistic terms and concepts concerning the after-life but assigned to them slightly altered meanings from Jewish thought.

Even though the Book of Enoch is listed as non-canon wthin some of Christian Churches, I thought I would mention it in case some here may be interested. I read thru it once many years back and became interested in the 10 week prophecy in it. It appears to mention some about the realm of the dead and perhaps even Tartarus.
Enoch is mentioned in a few verses of the NT
I also include a very good utube vid of it.........

YLT
Gen 5:24
And Enoch walketh habitually with God, and he is not, for God hath taken him.

Luk 3:37
the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel,
Heb 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated -- not to see death, and was not found, because God did translate him; for before his translation he had been testified to -- that he had pleased God well,
Jde 1:14
And prophesy also to these did the seventh from Adam -- Enoch -- saying, 'Lo, the Lord did come in His saintly myriads,

Dan 7:10 A flood of fire is proceeding and coming forth from before Him, a thousand thousands do serve Him, and a myriad of myriads before Him do rise up, the Judge is seated, and the books have been opened.

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Act 21:20
and they having heard, were glorifying the Lord. They said also to him, 'Thou seest, brother, how many myriads there are of Jews who have believed, and all are zealous of the law,

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Heb 12:22
But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers,

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Rev 5:11 And I saw, and I heard the voice of many messengers round the throne, and the living creatures, and the elders -- and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands --

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Book of Enoch - Wikipedia

• 2 Canonicity
  • 2.1 Judaism
  • 2.2 Christianity
    • 2.2.1 References in the New Testament
    • 2.2.2 Reception
    • 2.2.3 Ethiopian Orthodox Church
    • 2.2.4 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

It is not part of the biblical canon used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews). Most Christian denominations and traditions may accept the Books of Enoch as having some historical or theological interest and while the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church consider the Books of Enoch as canonical, other Christian groups regard them as non-canonical or non-inspired.

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Enoch. The prophecy of the 10 weeks

3. And Enoch began to recount from the books and said;
I was born the seventh in the first week,
While judgement and righteousness still endured.
4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,
And deceit shall have sprung up;
And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up;
And a law shall be made for the sinners.
5. And after that in the third week at it’s close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous Judgement.
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.
6. And after that in the fourth week, at it’s close,
Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen.
And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.
7. And after that in the fifth week, at it’s close,
The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.
8. And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded,
And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.
And in it a man shall ascend; and at it’s close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire,
And the race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.
9. And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise,
and many shall be it’s deeds, And all it’s deed shall be apostate.
10. And at it’s close shall be elected The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness,
To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.

12. And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness,
And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous Judgement may be executed on the oppressors,
And the sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous.
13. And at it’s close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness,
And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore,
And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.
14. And after that in the ninth week, the righteous judgment
shall be revealed to the whole world,
And all the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth.
And the world shall be written down for destruction.
15. And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,
There shall be the great eternal judgement, in which
He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.
16. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,
and a new heaven shall appear, and all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.
17. And after that there will be many weeks without number forever.

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A look into Tartarus

In the apocryphal Book of Enoch (20:2), Tartarus is used as a place where fallen angels are punished, an interpretation Peter affirms.
So, Tartarus seems to be a place separate from Sheol, the Hebrew term for the abode of the dead; Hades, roughly the Greek equivalent of Sheol; and Gehenna, the lake of fire created for the Devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41) where wicked people also spend eternity (Rev. 20:15).
Ancient Greeks regarded Tartarus as a place where rebellious gods and other wicked ones are punished. Peter refers to Tartarus as the abode of certain fallen angels.

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Enoch’s Vision of the Realms of the Dead

In discussing the research I’m doing on (human) journeys to the realm(s) of the dead, I have so far mentioned two in particular that occur outside of Christian circles and much earlier: the famous account of Odysseus’s vision of the dead in Homer’s Odyssey book 11 and Aeneas’s journey to the underworld in Virgil’s Aeneid, book 6. ...........
. Now I introduce a Jewish version of this kind of journey, found in the non-canonical book of 1 Enoch, which has many similarities to Virgil (though not so much with Homer). Here too the righteous are rewarded and the wicked punished. But there are (a couple of) gradations from one kind of sinner to the next.
And moreover, in this case there is no reincarnation; instead, and quite significantly, the punishments after death are only temporary, leading up to the Last Judgment, when a permanent end will be determined. For the righteous, the End will entail being raised from the dead, for all eternity (completely unlike either Homer or Virgil). This in fact is the first book from Jewish antiquity that promotes the idea of a future resurrection (earlier even than the OT book of Daniel)

Here is what I say about 1 Enoch in my forthcoming trade book Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife.

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The idea of a future bodily resurrection of the dead first occurs in a book that was not included in the Bible, but was nonetheless one of the most popular Jewish writings in the final two centuries BCE, a book known today as 1 Enoch. The pseudonymous author of the book claims to be none other than Enoch, the first person never to have died. According to Genesis 5:24, “Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him.” Who better to pen an apocalypse, an account of the heavenly secrets that could explain earthly realities? A man who actually lived with God above! The book of 1 Enoch contains a number of special revelations given to this human resident of the heavenly realms.

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The Book of Enoch Index

The Book of Enoch, written during the second century B.C.E., is one of the most important non-canonical apocryphal works, and probably had a huge influence on early Christian, particularly Gnostic, beliefs. Filled with hallucinatory visions of heaven and hell, angels and devils, Enoch introduced concepts such as fallen angels, the appearance of a Messiah, Resurrection, a Final Judgement, and a Heavenly Kingdom on Earth. Interspersed with this material are quasi-scientific digressions on calendrical systems, geography, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology.

This etext has been prepared specially for sacred-texts, and is a great improvement over other versions on the Internet, with the introduction, correct verse numbering, page numbers from the 1917 edition, and intact critical apparatus.

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yeshuaslavejeff said: ↑
Sorry, I missed the connection. I still am not sure what your asking - what is "this belief" ?

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Rick Otto said:

Well, we're talking about what Tartarus is, so I mean any beliefs about Tarturus. Have any Babylonian myths infected our knowledge of Tartarus? All LiL Lamb gave us was the sanitized Wikipedia.

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Ahhh, be patient little grasshopper

Der Alter said:

I checked out the ECF on Tartarus.

Clement of Alexandria The Stromata, Or Miscellanies. Book V. Chap. XIV
Well! Did not Plato know of the rivers of fire and the depth of the earth, and Tartarus, called by the Barbarians Gehenna, naming, as he does prophetically, Cocytus, and Acheron, and Pyriphlegethon, and introducing such corrective tortures for discipline?

Tertullian Apology 1 Chap XI
I would have you then consider whether the merits of your deities are of a kind to have raised them to the heavens, and not rather to have sunk them down into lowest depths of Tartarus, - the place which you regard, with many, as the prison-house of infernal punishments. For into this dread place are wont to be cast all who offend against filial piety, and such as are guilty of incest with sisters, and seducers of wives, and ravishers of virgins, and boy-polluters, and men of furious tempers, and murderers, and thieves, and deceivers; all, in short, who tread in the footsteps of your gods, not one of whom you can prove free from crime or vice, save by denying that they had ever a human existence.

Origen Against Celsus. Book VI Chap
Moreover, Celsus says that the diagram was “divided by a thick black line, and this line he asserted was called Gehenna, which is Tartarus.”

Hippolytus The Refutation of All Heresies. Book X Chap XXX
And by means of this knowledge you shall escape the approaching threat of the fire of judgment, and the rayless scenery of gloomy Tartarus, where never shines a beam from the irradiating voice of the Word!
You shall escape the boiling flood of hell’s eternal lake of fire and the eye ever fixed in menacing glare of fallen angels chained in Tartarus as punishment for their sins; and you shall escape the worm that ceaselessly coils for food around the body whose scum has bred it.

The Seven Books of Arnobius Against the Heathen. Book II
30. But will he not be terrified by the punishments in Hades, of which we have heard, assuming also, as they do, many forms of torture? And who will be so senseless and ignorant of consequences, as to believe that to imperishable spirits either the darkness of Tartarus, or rivers of fire, or marshes with miry abysses, or wheels sent whirling through the air, can in any wise do harm?​

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Thank you for posting those sources Der Alter.........
Btw, what is your take on the Book of Enoch?

Rick Otto said:

I think it may be where Tartar sauce comes from, not sure.

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Oh, I just remembered a thread of yours I had bookmarked.

Mountains were giants (cool pics!)

Rick Otto said:

Not "most" of them like this says, I'd wager...
Gen 6:4
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

If you want to skip the bible texts and whatever other intro text there is, go to 3&1/2 minutes in:

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Love the music!!! Beautiful. and great vid!!
Song Xibalba (feat. Kronos Quartet) Artist Clint Mansell from the movie "The Fountain"

Zec 4:7 ‘Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain!And he shall bring forth the capstone



That brings light to a lot of Bible scriptures.
Yahweh actually speaks to the mountains in the Bible.
Numerous miracles and heavenly events transpired on some of the mountings in Israel.

Eze 36:
1 “And you, son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel, and say, ‘O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD!
8 “But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come.
Mic 6:2 Hear, O you mountains, the LORD's complaint,
And you strong foundations of the earth;
For the LORD has a complaint against His people,
And He will contend with Israel.

Rev 17:9
“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.