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We have signs of the times in our days as well.
Biblical prophecy isn't referring to the "signs of the times". The "sign" was of the "Son of Man in heaven".

Matthew 24:30 ~ “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven...."​
 
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Anyone recognise the guy carrying the signs? :p

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No disrespect meant. Just having a laugh people!
 
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The Democrats booed God at their 2016 convention, and shortly after that they began to go insane.

What are you even referring to?

It was the actually the 2012 Democratic convention.

That's not what I heard in that video. That vote (and the response to the outcome) had nothing to do with God (or His instructions). Our country was founded on religious freedom.

Didn't Jesus infer that we ought to keep church and government separate when He said, "Render to Caesar what's Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"? We can't serve two gods (and combining government with our loyalty to God would be a bit of a divided loyalty). Even Billy Graham recognized the importance of that:

"It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it." ~ Billy Graham​
 
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That's not what I heard in that video. That vote (and the response to the outcome) had nothing to do with God (or His instructions).

Did Democrats really boo God? Not quite. It's worse than that.
That's not what I heard in that video. That vote (and the response to the outcome) had nothing to do with God (or His instructions). Our country was founded on religious freedom.

Didn't Jesus infer that we ought to keep church and government separate when He said, "Render to Caesar what's Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"? We can't serve two gods (and combining government with our loyalty to God would be a bit of a divided loyalty). Even Billy Graham recognizes the importance of that:

"It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it." ~ Billy Graham​
I used to be a Democrat. The Democratic party used to stand for free enterprise with a safety net. They believed in programs to help people who are out of work or disabled. Many Democratic voters still believe this. Much of the leadership of the Democratic party now believes in sex change procedures for children. They believe in abortion on demand even moments before birth. They believe they are going to rebuild every building, and replace all the automobiles and airplanes in ten years. They also want to provide a living wage for those who refuse to work (which will be everybody).

To me, the change in the Democratic party has been so momentous and so sudden, that it defies a natural explanation.

Isaiah 29:14 Therefore behold I will proceed to cause an admiration in this people, by a great and wonderful miracle: for wisdom shall perish from their wise men, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
This verse also explains why US leaders stupidly allowed manufacturing to move to China, and why they keep trying to nation build in Muslim countries when it obviously isn't going to work.

As far as keeping church and politics separate, when you're speculating about the end times (in an end times forum), some discussion of politics is unavoidable. We should try not to offend, and I do want to stress when I say the Democrats have gone insane, I don't mean the voters, but some of their leaders.
 
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Okay, I see where I made a math mistake. It should be

1948 + 80 years = 2028. minus the 7 years, = 2021 that the 7 years must begin before the end of 2021 So still possible.
You are still wrong; the final 7 years begins sometime between 2018 and 2028, 70 to 80 years after 1948.
I repeat that it will be 7 years before Jesus Returns, which will be 2000 years after He commenced His earthly Ministry. But before that final 7 year time, much must happen to set things up for it as prophesied.

The great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, a forthcoming worldwide disaster will be the commencement of it all.
 
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I personally think you are in the wrong 100%. You assemble scripture to suit your individual beliefs. Misinterpreting scripture greatly.
Useful, scripturally based comments rather than your opinion, would be good.

Doom and gloom?
If you actually read my posts, you should know that I promote the amazing prophesies of how the Lord will protect His own people, every faithful Christian and give them peace and prosperity.
The ungodly and disbelieving people have a different outcome.
 
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You are still wrong; the final 7 years begins sometime between 2018 and 2028, 70 to 80 years after 1948.
I repeat that it will be 7 years before Jesus Returns, which will be 2000 years after He commenced His earthly Ministry. But before that final 7 year time, much must happen to set things up for it as prophesied.

The great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, a forthcoming worldwide disaster will be the commencement of it all.

So, within 9 years then Keras! Yikes! o_O
 
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Useful, scripturally based comments rather than your opinion, would be good.

You have submitted many scriptures and given your opinion on what they mean to you. I cant see what you see in those scriptures.
 
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You are still wrong; the final 7 years begins sometime between 2018 and 2028, 70 to 80 years after 1948.
I repeat that it will be 7 years before Jesus Returns
The confirming of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is what begins the seven years.

And I am not wrong on my math this time. 1948+80 years, all of the end times prophecies are to be fulfilled, including Jesus's return, not later than. That the 2028. But there has to be 7 years minus, to begin the 7 years... 2021.

The 1948+70 years, equals 2018. And the 7 years minus... 2011.
Both have come and gone.
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1967+70 years is 2037. And the 7 years minus....2030.
 
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Nope. Wrong again.
The fig tree and ALL TREES budding, symbolize how the disciples could ascertain when those things were NEAR in human terms. This is explicitly explained to them by Jesus... just as when they saw trees budding (any type of budding tree) they knew summer was near... similarly, when the disciples saw all the event come to pass that Jesus mentioned, (and not before) they would know the end of the Mosaic age, marked by the temples desolation & stone by stone dismantling, was near for them. This is plain to any honest bible expositor who is not seeking to force fit scripture to fit their view.

To inject an extra "fig tree" meaning that Jesus did not teach in this parable about ALL TREES, is purely the later invention of men to suit a previously held bias.
Jesus did specifically mention the 'fig tree'. Your denial of this fact counts against you.
That He also mentioned 'all the trees', is explained by how all the nations have become firmly established and settled after the 2nd World War.

What the disciples saw was far from 'summer being near', but the Roman conquest and the dispersion of the few Jewish survivors.

Some 'honest Bible exposition' from you would be nice!

Rather, We are not these people. as any plain, unbiased reading of the text indicates.
You and I will both die off without these things happening in our day, and we will meet our maker, and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I put it to you: You are the 'biased one'.
Your preterist beliefs make you think that the prophesies are fulfilled, despite there being no evidence of them happening as described in the Bible.

Why am I confident that I will see it all? The Lord showed me that I would.
 
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As far as keeping church and politics separate, when you're speculating about the end times (in an end times forum), some discussion of politics is unavoidable. We should try not to offend, and I do want to stress when I say the Democrats have gone insane, I don't mean the voters, but some of their leaders.
I wasn't suggesting that the discussion needs to keep church and state separate - I meant that was what the opposition was about at the convention (what you were saying was "democrats booing God").

And the "days of the end" were completed - as Jesus said they would be - in the generation that were standing there before Him:

Matthew 16:27-28 ~ For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom


Quoting from article on Ligonier Ministries: Another, more likely, possibility is that the judgment Jesus is referring to in verse 27 is the judgment referred to in Daniel 7:9–10, a heavenly judgment of the “beasts/nations” that is directly related to Jesus’ receiving of the kingdom of God from the Father, an event that occurs in connection with his first advent.vii ~ Some Standing Here Will Not Taste Death — The Unfolding of Biblical Eschatology
 
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So, within 9 years then Keras! Yikes! o_O
I think the 7 years will begin before the end of 2030. At the end of the 7 years Jesus returns.

How far before, there is no way of knowing.
 
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You have submitted many scriptures and given your opinion on what they mean to you. I cant see what you see in those scriptures.
The scriptures I post speak for themselves. Plain Words like: The Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies. Amos 1 for example and 2 Peter 3:7.

That you can't see or understand them is your problem. Explained to us in Isaiah 29:9-12, how those who choose to believe false theories and doctrines will be made incapable of knowing what the Lord has planned.
 
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The scriptures I post speak for themselves. Plain Words like: The Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies. Amos 1 for example and 2 Peter 3:7.

That you can't see or understand them is your problem. Explained to us in Isaiah 29:9-12, how those who choose to believe false theories and doctrines will be made incapable of knowing what the Lord has planned.

You interpret those words to mean things that 'you' think they mean....Sola Flare etc etc.

I dont see that. Scripture is being misinterpreted again and again.

Is Revelation meant to be taken 100% literally?
 
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