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chunkofcoal · Aug 7, 2019

Olam Haba, "the world to come", is likened to Sabbath; the day before Sabbath is called "the preparation" - Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
(I had assumed that this was about preparing the Passover, but it seems there was a preparation day before the Sabbath.)

So, how do we prepare?

And are Jewish traditions relevent to what is to come? People do use Jewish tradtions to explain parts of the New Testament, such as Yeshua going to "prepare a place" is likened to a Jewish bridegroom going to prepare a place for his bride.
If the traditions are relevent, do they have a deeper meaning? Like that the Shabbat candles have to be lit 18 minutes before sundown.
Or I just read that in Talmudic times, the shofar was sounded six times -
"On Friday afternoon six shofarot were blown at short intervals. At the first teḳi'ah the laborers in the field ceased work; at the second the stores closed and city labor ceased; and the third teḳi'ah was a signal to light the Sabbath candles. Then after a short pause the shofar sounded teḳi'ah, teru'ah, teḳi'ah, and Sabbath set in (Shab. 35b)."
[quote from -SHOFAR - JewishEncyclopedia.com ]

So if we are in the preparation day, how do we prepare? And are there deeper meanings in the Jewish traditions of preparing for the Sabbath?
Any thoughts or insights?

TreWalker · Aug 7, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
So if we are in the preparation day, how do we prepare? And are there deeper meanings in the Jewish traditions of preparing for the Sabbath?
Any thoughts or insights?

Rabbi Itzak Shapira comes to mind. He just released a Messianic Siddur and is teaching it's significance. You know how Yeshua reveals himself to us where we are? Well, he revealed himself to Rabbi Shapira through his traditional Jewish prayer life. He has a great testimony as a rabbinic Jew who came to faith not to long ago. He was reached through his Judaism and now wants to relate and reveal Yeshua through the Jewish Siddur (daily prayers). He says that all of them, every one is Messianic and is as we speak attempting to reveal this to the world through Ahavat Olam Siddur.

Here is a good current video to listen to of him speaking at his home in America, El Shaddai ministries, Mark Blintz. Relative to this topic specifically is 13:00, 15:00 and 29:00. But the whole thing is awesome. And well related to how we both Jews and Gentiles are to hasten the coming of the olam haba.

Decoding the Jewish Siddur

If the second coming is a wedding and a Shabbat that we are preparing for then the work we do during these six days relates to the preparation for this Shabbat HaGadol. In relation to the virgins and our oil we are called to remain vigilant and steadfast. And this is only possible if we remain under his kapporah, his covering. Many think they can walk uncovered, and then wonder why they fall all the time.

Matthew 13
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every Torah scholar discipled for the kingdom of heaven is like the master of a household who brings out of his treasure both new things and old.”

I believe this is in reference to the new and old testament. Also, that Yeshua worked within the confines of traditional Judaism to reach those held there. He participated in synagogue worship and cycles, his wisdom and idioms were completely Jewish.

There is great damage done when as today one has to ask 'is there any value to the Jewish perspective?' When it’s clear that the Yeshua movement of the 1st century, sometimes called The Way was totally Jewish, at least in the beginning. Yeshua didn’t travel to Greece or Rome, he stayed in Israel saying ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel’. After he was crucified and rose from the dead Jews from all over Israel followed him. Not just Jews from Jerusalem but all over Israel. 10’s of thousands of them. Nobody was yet preaching to the gentiles, only the Jewish people were invited to believe. The Apostles weren’t even given the revelation that non-Jews could receive Yeshua.

So how did something that was initially so completely and utterly Jewish become considered something completely and utterly non-Jewish? That's the question I like to ask. Of course there is a deep meaning in the worship of those who were and are seeking to adhere to the word of Adoani to the best of their ability. This is not just a Messianic mantra, it's a Jewish perspective at it's heart. Israel's hardness is only partial, they are not completely blind. There is a remnant. There is only a veil that CAN be removed in front of them. It's not as if God has forsaken Israel. He has preserved Jews for thousands of years because of the Torah he has given us.

There is deep wisdom in the sages. And in all things Messiah is everything. When we recognize this we turn to the other in love and help each other to the altar. This to me is the mitzvah Adonai is calling us to. It's the preparation we are shown in the scriptures. Love your neighbor. And we say v'emru amen. But HOW? Now what? Who do you go to? Who you gonna call? The Bishop or the Rabbi? Can a pig become kosher?

another good book to consider. It's Rabbi Shapira's coming out book. The one he presented to his Jewish community when he found Messiah within the writings of the sages.

Shalom

chunkofcoal · Aug 7, 2019

TreWalker said:
Rabbi Itzak Shapira comes to mind. He just released a Messianic Siddur and is teaching it's significance. You know how Yeshua reveals himself to us where we are? Well, he revealed himself to Rabbi Shapira through his traditional Jewish prayer life. He has a great testimony as a rabbinic Jew who came to faith not to long ago. He was reached through his Judaism and now wants to relate and reveal Yeshua through the Jewish Siddur (daily prayers). He says that all of them, every one is Messianic and is as we speak attempting to reveal this to the world through Ahavat Olam Siddur.

Here is a good current video to listen to of him speaking at his home in America, El Shaddai ministries, Mark Blintz. Relative to this topic specifically is 13:00, 15:00 and 29:00. But the whole thing is awesome. And well related to how we both Jews and Gentiles are to hasten the coming of the olam haba.

Decoding the Jewish Siddur

If the second coming is a wedding and a Shabbat that we are preparing for then the work we do during these six days relates to the preparation for this Shabbat HaGadol. In relation to the virgins and our oil we are called to remain vigilant and steadfast. And this is only possible if we remain under his kapporah, his covering. Many think they can walk uncovered, and then wonder why they fall all the time.

Matthew 13
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every Torah scholar discipled for the kingdom of heaven is like the master of a household who brings out of his treasure both new things and old.”

I believe this is in reference to the new and old testament. Also, that Yeshua worked within the confines of traditional Judaism to reach those held there. He participated in synagogue worship and cycles, his wisdom and idioms were completely Jewish.

There is great damage done when as today one has to ask 'is there any value to the Jewish perspective?' When it’s clear that the Yeshua movement of the 1st century, sometimes called The Way was totally Jewish, at least in the beginning. Yeshua didn’t travel to Greece or Rome, he stayed in Israel saying ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel’. After he was crucified and rose from the dead Jews from all over Israel followed him. Not just Jews from Jerusalem but all over Israel. 10’s of thousands of them. Nobody was yet preaching to the gentiles, only the Jewish people were invited to believe. The Apostles weren’t even given the revelation that non-Jews could receive Yeshua.

So how did something that was initially so completely and utterly Jewish become considered something completely and utterly non-Jewish? That's the question I like to ask. Of course there is a deep meaning in the worship of those who were and are seeking to adhere to the word of Adoani to the best of their ability. This is not just a Messianic mantra, it's a Jewish perspective at it's heart. Israel's hardness is only partial, they are not completely blind. There is a remnant. There is only a veil that CAN be removed in front of them. It's not as if God has forsaken Israel. He has preserved Jews for thousands of years because of the Torah he has given us.

There is deep wisdom in the sages. And in all things Messiah is everything. When we recognize this we turn to the other in love and help each other to the altar. This to me is the mitzvah Adonai is calling us to. It's the preparation we are shown in the scriptures. Love your neighbor. And we say v'emru amen. But HOW? Now what? Who do you go to? Who you gonna call? The Bishop or the Rabbi? Can a pig become kosher? another good book to consider. It's Rabbi Shapira's coming out book. The one he presented to his Jewish community when he found Messiah within the writings of the sages.

Shalom

I hope you know I meant no disrespect asking if the Jewish traditions are relevent.

Your link to Decoding the Jewish Siddur doesn't work.

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 7, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
I hope you know I meant no disrespect asking if the Jewish traditions are releva.nt.....

Also note the difference, some day, between the traditions that are Biblical and the ones that are not Biblical, as Yahuweh Permits.

TreWalker said:
There is great damage done when as today one has to ask 'is there any value to the Jewish perspective'?

The only "perspective" of value is Yahuweh's , according to the Ekklesia in the OT and in the NT.

TreWalker · Aug 7, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
I hope you know I meant no disrespect asking if the Jewish traditions are relevent.

Your link to Decoding the Jewish Siddur doesn't work.

None taken at all. It's a very good question! I fixed the link

chunkofcoal · Aug 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Also note the difference, some day, between the traditions that are Biblical and the ones that are not Biblical, as Yahuweh Permits.

The only "perspective" of value is Yahuweh's , according to the Ekklesia in the OT and in the NT.

I agree with TreWalker on this, that "Yeshua reveals Himself to us where we are." God is still speaking to the Jews.

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 7, 2019

TreWalker said:
None taken at all. It's a very good question! I fixed the link

At that link, a reply:

Gary Hendricks 4 hours ago
Good word. Now we need to see signs and wonders confirming the word as in Yeshua's and Paul's and the rest of the Apostles Ministries. Paul said to the Corinthians I did not come to you with much speech but with power and signs and wonders

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 7, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
I agree with TreWalker on this, that "Yeshua reveals Himself to us where we are." God is still speaking to the Jews.

Did I post anything , ever, that disagrees with this ?

and, why doesn't Yahuweh reveal Himself to most people, whether Jews or gentiles ?

chunkofcoal · Aug 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Did I post anything , ever, that disagrees with this ?

and, why doesn't Yahuweh reveal Himself to most people, whether Jews or gentiles ?

You said: "Also note the difference, some day, between the traditions that are Biblical and the ones that are not Biblical, as Yahuweh Permits."
So unless I misunderstand you, you don't seem to believe the Jewish traditions that are not Biblical are relevent. ??

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 7, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
You said: "Also note the difference, some day, between the traditions that are Biblical and the ones that are not Biblical, as Yahuweh Permits."
So unless I misunderstand you, you don't seem to believe the Jewish traditions that are not Biblical are relevent. ??

Jesus opposed all the traditions of man, both Jewish and gentile, that are not Biblical.
He exposed them as being opposed to and contrary to Yahuweh, and instead of Yahuweh's Word.

That is also how Ekklesia are commanded to test every message - if it is not in line with all Scripture (if it contradicts any Scripture), it is rejected...
if it is another gospel other than the one originally delivered, it is rejected...
according to Scripture.

chunkofcoal · Aug 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Jesus opposed all the traditions of man, both Jewish and gentile, that are not Biblical.
He exposed them as being opposed to and contrary to Yahuweh, and instead of Yahuweh's Word.

That is also how Ekklesia are commanded to test every message - if it is not in line with all Scripture (if it contradicts any Scripture), it is rejected...
if it is another gospel other than the one originally delivered, it is rejected...
according to Scripture.

Yeshua wasn't talking about things like preparing for the Sabbath.

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 7, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
Yeshua wasn't talking about things like preparing for the Sabbath.

He did not avoid the subject,
and the principles He spoke on, as directed by ABBA YAHUWEH, are still truth today.

TreWalker · Aug 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Now we need to see signs and wonders confirming the word as in Yeshua's and Paul's and the rest of the Apostles Ministries. Paul said to the Corinthians I did not come to you with much speech but with power and signs and wonders

Is it not a wonder to be grafted into the house of Israel through Yeshua? Such power through his spoken word to create one new man out of two opposing sticks?

Are you ready to join the house of Israel? If so, you will have to learn to come along side those you find opposed to your way of thinking. When God see's this he blesses both. We are to speak blessings, not curses. We are to identify the good in others instead of pointing out the faults. You seek signs and wonders and power but all these things are given to the authority of Yeshua. And he commands us that in order to achieve these things you must humble yourself. Pride is at the heart of the gospel of opposition (us vs. them). Salvation is at the heart of the gospel of reconciliation (us and them).

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 7, 2019

Very important to note: this is false.
Whatever the reason(s) you think it is true, is a false premise, not true.
Or more gently, where did you ever get such an idea as this ? >

TreWalker said:
Are you ready to join the house of Israel? If so, you will have to learn to come along side those you find opposed to your way of thinking.

TreWalker · Aug 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Very important to note: this is false.
Whatever the reason(s) you think it is true, is a false premise, not true.
Or more gently, where did you ever get such an idea as this ? >

It's not false. It just goes against your perspective.

Would you believe I got the idea from Adonai himself? Not just an idea, but an actual motivation to do this. He led me to it. Because I rejected my older brothers in my heart. It was revealed through making teshuva. God is a God of relationships. And like Rabbi Shapira said; I don't believe one should talk about relationship theology unless you have a relationship.

How else do you plan on reconciling others to God (a believers calling) if not by coming along side them? Didn't you learn that example from Yeshua in scripture yet? You don't believe what I said, and that is fine. I just hope your open enough to learn from the example of others instead of having to fit them into the shape of your box.

I used to have a box. I even constructed it's walls myself! But one by one, day by day it took more effort to keep my box together. And the worst thing was I was all alone in my box. I had justified everyone as out of the box. Then a sweet small voice says to me 'you going to rot here and die or explore the freedom I have provided you?' And I left my box to rot.

A box is just a dead tree carved into a shape. It's an idol. Take up your box and walk! Become a walking tree, a living thing that moves and breaths and has it's being in Him. Instead of a box of rocks, or a book of dreams.

Many people speak of faith and truth, but few I see actually LIVE and breath what they actually say.

It's just a hopeful dream to them, so they create a box to keep the memory stones in.

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 7, 2019

TreWalker said:
It's not false. It just goes against your perspective.

Would you believe I got the idea from Adonai himself?

You don't know my perspective.

You could not get the idea from Adonai Himself - He does not ever lie, nor give untruthful directions or false ideas.

chunkofcoal · Aug 7, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
He did not avoid the subject,
and the principles He spoke on, as directed by ABBA YAHUWEH, are still truth today.

Yes, Yeshua's words are truth.
But that doesn't mean He didn't partake in some Jewish traditions -
Mat 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
The hymn was and is, a tradition.

chunkofcoal · Aug 8, 2019

TreWalker said:
Rabbi Itzak Shapira comes to mind. He just released a Messianic Siddur and is teaching it's significance. You know how Yeshua reveals himself to us where we are? Well, he revealed himself to Rabbi Shapira through his traditional Jewish prayer life. He has a great testimony as a rabbinic Jew who came to faith not to long ago. He was reached through his Judaism and now wants to relate and reveal Yeshua through the Jewish Siddur (daily prayers). He says that all of them, every one is Messianic and is as we speak attempting to reveal this to the world through Ahavat Olam Siddur.

Here is a good current video to listen to of him speaking at his home in America, El Shaddai ministries, Mark Blintz. Relative to this topic specifically is 13:00, 15:00 and 29:00. But the whole thing is awesome. And well related to how we both Jews and Gentiles are to hasten the coming of the olam haba.

Decoding the Jewish Siddur

If the second coming is a wedding and a Shabbat that we are preparing for then the work we do during these six days relates to the preparation for this Shabbat HaGadol. In relation to the virgins and our oil we are called to remain vigilant and steadfast. And this is only possible if we remain under his kapporah, his covering. Many think they can walk uncovered, and then wonder why they fall all the time.

Matthew 13
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every Torah scholar discipled for the kingdom of heaven is like the master of a household who brings out of his treasure both new things and old.”

I believe this is in reference to the new and old testament. Also, that Yeshua worked within the confines of traditional Judaism to reach those held there. He participated in synagogue worship and cycles, his wisdom and idioms were completely Jewish.

There is great damage done when as today one has to ask 'is there any value to the Jewish perspective?' When it’s clear that the Yeshua movement of the 1st century, sometimes called The Way was totally Jewish, at least in the beginning. Yeshua didn’t travel to Greece or Rome, he stayed in Israel saying ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel’. After he was crucified and rose from the dead Jews from all over Israel followed him. Not just Jews from Jerusalem but all over Israel. 10’s of thousands of them. Nobody was yet preaching to the gentiles, only the Jewish people were invited to believe. The Apostles weren’t even given the revelation that non-Jews could receive Yeshua.

So how did something that was initially so completely and utterly Jewish become considered something completely and utterly non-Jewish? That's the question I like to ask. Of course there is a deep meaning in the worship of those who were and are seeking to adhere to the word of Adoani to the best of their ability. This is not just a Messianic mantra, it's a Jewish perspective at it's heart. Israel's hardness is only partial, they are not completely blind. There is a remnant. There is only a veil that CAN be removed in front of them. It's not as if God has forsaken Israel. He has preserved Jews for thousands of years because of the Torah he has given us.

There is deep wisdom in the sages. And in all things Messiah is everything. When we recognize this we turn to the other in love and help each other to the altar. This to me is the mitzvah Adonai is calling us to. It's the preparation we are shown in the scriptures. Love your neighbor. And we say v'emru amen. But HOW? Now what? Who do you go to? Who you gonna call? The Bishop or the Rabbi? Can a pig become kosher? another good book to consider. It's Rabbi Shapira's coming out book. The one he presented to his Jewish community when he found Messiah within the writings of the sages.

Shalom

Very well put!

Your post reminded me of something I read the other day -
"Within each of us is a point where all of us meet. And within that point is a place where we are all one simple essence. That is the spark of the Moshiach within each of us.

If so, the person who we will call Moshiach does not need to convince us to follow. He only needs to awaken that sleeping moshiach within each of us. And then we will look and say, “I know this tzaddik. He is the spark I feel awake within me.”

That is when we will all be liberated.
We and all the creation."

[quote from: www.chabad.org]

TreWalker · Aug 8, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
Very well put!

Your post reminded me of something I read the other day -
"Within each of us is a point where all of us meet. And within that point is a place where we are all one simple essence. That is the spark of the Moshiach within each of us.

If so, the person who we will call Moshiach does not need to convince us to follow. He only needs to awaken that sleeping moshiach within each of us. And then we will look and say, “I know this tzaddik. He is the spark I feel awake within me.”

That is when we will all be liberated.
We and all the creation."

[quote from: www.chabad.org]

So close, no? The only thing that separates them from Messiah is a temporarily placed thin veil. They've been formed from the womb with this connection and only have to have the veil removed.

Like a bride veiled before the wedding, when the right time comes the groom himself will lift the veil and kisses his bride. Unveiled and now fully married to the One who betrothed her.

When Yeshua comes back to lift this veil he will have married Kol Yisrael. Pure holy and true. They will see the One they pierced and in an instant within the heart they will make teshuva. Because Messiah will have restored the fortunes of Jacob and took Jerusalem as His promised bride.

So close are we all to this miraculous prophetic wedding. Are the guests ready?!

chunkofcoal · Aug 8, 2019

TreWalker said:
So close, no? The only thing that separates them from Messiah is a temporarily placed thin veil. They've been formed from the womb with this connection and only have to have the veil removed.

Like a bride veiled before the wedding, when the right time comes the groom himself will lift the veil and kisses his bride. Unveiled and now fully married to the One who betrothed her.

When Yeshua comes back to lift this veil he will have married Kol Yisrael. Pure holy and true. They will see the One they pierced and in an instant within the heart they will make teshuva. Because Messiah will have restored the fortunes of Jacob and took Jerusalem as His promised bride.

So close are we all to this miraculous prophetic wedding. Are the guests ready?!

There is going to be a loud shout!

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