JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

Matthew ten Verseight said:

We are speaking about God's Ten Commandments, being "spiritual" (Rom. 7:14), of which God "added no more" (Deut. 5:22), thus they are called "Ten" (Exo. 34:28; Deut. 4:13, 10:4) and not 'eleven', 'twelve' or six hundred and thirteen anywhere in scripture.

The Ten Commandments are the transcript of His character of love, not a type as the sabbatical year would be, of the great Sabbath of the LORD, Millennium.

Why do you throw out a red-herring and attempt to compare apples to oranges?

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Ah, I see. That is a great relief to me as I was concerned about God's commands concerning sexuality (that is, apart from not committing adultery or coveting my neighbor's wife). I guess they are of no significance, either, since all that your God seems to care about is ten of his 613 commandments in the Old Testament (not to mention any commandments in the New Testament).

Matthew ten Verseight said:

That is confusion of God's (His, My) sabbaths (Exo. 20:8-11, 31:13; Eze. 22:26) and "your" (their, Israels after the flesh) (Lev. 26:34-45) or "her" (the lands) sabbaths (Lev. 26:34,43; 2 Chr. 36:21; Lam. 1:7; Hos. 2:11).

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So, I take it that you have never refrained from work for an entire year.

Bob S said:

The 10 commandments had nothing to do with love

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Just wow. That is not what Jesus said when he cited Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:17-18, both of which are in the context of the Ten Commandments ("these words").

bbbbbbb said:

Ah, I see. That is a great relief to me as I was concerned about God's commands concerning sexuality

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That is a misconstruing (purposeful or no, it is recorded in heaven) of what I said. I never said any of the other items beyond the Ten Commandments were to be discarded. Not once did I say it, or imply it.

All things still apply, only in the matter of who, what, where, when, why and how.

What I did say, was that bringing up the land sabbatical is as apples to oranges, a red herring, and non-sequitur in the matters of the 7th day the sabbath of the Ten Commandments. The two are not the same, as demonstrated by the texts themselves, which, I did not see addressed in your response at all. Your reasoning for that?

Au contraire, bon ami.

Matthew ten Verseight said:

That is a misconstruing (purposeful or no, it is recorded in heaven) of what I said. I never said any of the other items beyond the Ten Commandments were to be discarded. Not once did I say it, or imply it.

All things still apply, only in the matter of who, what, where, when, why and how.

What I did say, was that bringing up the land sabbatical is as apples to oranges, a red herring, and non-sequitur in the matters of the 7th day the sabbath of the Ten Commandments. The two are not the same, as demonstrated by the texts themselves, which, I did not see addressed in your response at all. Your reasoning for that?

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Au contraire, bon ami. You stated -

We are speaking about God's Ten Commandments, being "spiritual" (Rom. 7:14), of which God "added no more" (Deut. 5:22), thus they are called "Ten" (Exo. 34:28; Deut. 4:13, 10:4) and not 'eleven', 'twelve' or six hundred and thirteen anywhere in scripture.

The Ten Commandments are the transcript of His character of love, not a type as the sabbatical year would be, of the great Sabbath of the LORD, Millennium.

If that does not, at the least, imply that the ten commandments supersede all other commandments I don't know what it does. Your emphasis upon these ten is without qualification.

Now, to clarify matters for me, do you keep all 613 of God's explicit Old Testament commandments and, if not, why not?

bbbbbbb said:

I see. When was the last Sabbatical year of the Lord, and what did you do during the entire year?

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A land commandment, not applicable.

Lulav said:

A land commandment, not applicable.

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Then Passover is a land or temple commandment as well. So is firstfruits and weeks. Without the temple they are not applicable either.
Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

bbbbbbb said:

all 613

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I know of no such Rabbinical Talmudic number in scripture. Doesn't exist except in their and your own mind. Do you enumerate in the same way that they do, and if so, which enumeration?

bbbbbbb said:

If that does not, at the least, imply that the ten commandments supersede all other commandments I don't know what it does.

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Of course the Ten Commandments supercede all other commandments*, consider Luke 23:54,56, in that during that year both a typical festal sabbath and the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD of the 4th commandment took place at the same time, and yet the 4th Commandment supercedes in precedence the other, as it is written:

Luk_23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

It doesn't say, 'according to the (carnal) ordinance' (typical festal sabbath).

Lulav said:

A land commandment, not applicable.

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One can simply dismiss any or all of the commandments as inapplicable. In fact, as a Gentile, I stand on a very solid base that none of the Old Testament commandments apply to any Gentile.

ralliann said:

Then Passover is a land or temple commandment as well. So is firstfruits and weeks. Without the temple they are not applicable either.
Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

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Point taken. Without a temple, a multitude of commandments are entirely inapplicable.

Matthew ten Verseight said:

I know of no such Rabbinical Talmudic number in scripture. Doesn't exist except in their and your own mind. Do you enumerate in the same way that they do, and if so, which enumeration?

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You might find this helpful - 613 commandments - Wikipedia

Matthew ten Verseight said:

Of course the Ten Commandments supercede all other commandments*, consider Luke 23:54,56, in that during that year both a typical festal sabbath and the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD of the 4th commandment took place at the same time, and yet the 4th Commandment supercedes in precedence the other, as it is written:

Luk_23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

It doesn't say, 'according to the (carnal) ordinance' (typical festal sabbath).

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I am glad that we are finally in agreement that you have decided to limit your obedience to the Ten Commandments.

bbbbbbb said:

I am glad that we are finally in agreement that you have decided to limit your obedience to the Ten Commandments.

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Psa_119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.

The Ten Commandments supercede * & encompass all commandments of God.

All God's commandments are to be kept.

bbbbbbb said:

Point taken. Without a temple, a multitude of commandments are entirely inapplicable.

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Besides, they are back in the land. But without the temple and it's ministers they still cannot and are not.

Luk 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Luk 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Was Jesus filled with the Holy Ghost?

What book of the OT did Jesus directly cite from?

What was the context of that passage?

What specific day was it that Jesus said that the prophecy was fulled?

Matthew ten Verseight said:

Psa_119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.

The Ten Commandments supercede * & encompass all commandments of God.

All God's commandments are to be kept.

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So, do you have a spade which you use daily to bury your excrement outside of the camp?

ralliann said:

Besides, they are back in the land. But without the temple and it's ministers they still cannot and are not.

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Which is all the more reason they need the perfect sacrifice for sin as described in Hebrews, the One who has completely fulfilled all of the Law.

bbbbbbb said:

One can simply dismiss any or all of the commandments as inapplicable. In fact, as a Gentile, I stand on a very solid base that none of the Old Testament commandments apply to any Gentile.

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I was not dismissing, I was stating a fact. There are some of the commandments that pertain to men, some to women, meaning women don't keep commandments made for men and vis-versa. Also there are ones for priests, the Levites, etc. theres ones pertaining to certain times a year and theres ones that are strictly for when they are in the land and some for wherever you are. There are also ones for the Israelites and also for the Gentiles who have joined them.

Lulav said:

I was not dismissing, I was stating a fact. There are some of the commandments that pertain to men, some to women, meaning women don't keep commandments made for men and vis-versa. Also there are ones for priests, the Levites, etc. theres ones pertaining to certain times a year and theres ones that are strictly for when they are in the land and some for wherever you are. There are also ones for the Israelites and also for the Gentiles who have joined them.

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I agree. None apply to Gentiles who have not converted to Judaism. Because I am a Gentile through and through, none of those commandments apply to me.