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There is a Pentecostal Forum, a Spirit-Filled Forum, and a Word of Faith different. I read the "statement of purpose" of each one and couldn't tell the difference. They also overlap with other forums such as the non-denominational, conservative, and fundamentalist forums.

Statements of purpose tell what each group believes in, not what it does not believe in.
 

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There is a Pentecostal Forum, a Spirit-Filled Forum, and a Word of Faith different. I read the "statement of purpose" of each one and couldn't tell the difference. They also overlap with other forums such as the non-denominational, conservative, and fundamentalist forums.

Statements of purpose tell what each group believes in, not what it does not believe in.

There's a lot of overlap. What distinguishes the WOF is the idea that God wants every believer to materially prosper and be healthy with no suffering of any kind, and you can have it if your faith is strong enough. They might disagree or get angry at the "name it and claim it" idea, but it is essentially that. Some of them teach that words of faith are a force, and by that force you can create your own reality. Some go as far as saying that we are "little gods" or "little christs." It takes the "positive thinking" idea to its extreme. They try to negate these assessments with many persuasive words. IMO they base their ideas on scripture taken out of context, but this is the MO of many Christians in error.
TD:)
 
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and you can have it if your faith is strong enough. They might disagree or get angry at the "name it and claim it" idea, but it is essentially that. Some of them teach that words of faith are a force, and by that force you can create your own reality.
Magical thinking advocates. I stay away from so called televangelists.
 
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There's a lot of overlap. What distinguishes the WOF is the idea that God wants every believer to materially prosper and be healthy with no suffering of any kind, and you can have it if your faith is strong enough. They might disagree or get angry at the "name it and claim it" idea, but it is essentially that. Some of them teach that words of faith are a force, and by that force you can create your own reality. Some go as far as saying that we are "little gods" or "little christs." It takes the "positive thinking" idea to its extreme.

Thanks for that overview! :oldthumbsup:
 
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Same here guys. I'll have a better response later as a full Word of Faith believer. Remember this if you will. Within ourselves, (our flesh), in the eyes of God we will never be perfect.... but in our newly born-again (new) created spirit in His eyes... we are perfect and so are you if you all have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savour!

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There's a lot of overlap. What distinguishes the WOF is the idea that God wants every believer to materially prosper and be healthy with no suffering of any kind, and you can have it if your faith is strong enough. They might disagree or get angry at the "name it and claim it" idea, but it is essentially that. Some of them teach that words of faith are a force, and by that force you can create your own reality. Some go as far as saying that we are "little gods" or "little christs." It takes the "positive thinking" idea to its extreme. They try to negate these assessments with many persuasive words. IMO they base their ideas on scripture taken out of context, but this is the MO of many Christians in error.
TD:)

Would you consider that being a Baptist, gives you a special kind of reasoning?
If someone wants to know about Baptist doctrine ,should I post and say that Cessionest are void of any knowlage of the power of God?
That would be presumption due to basing my knowlage on what I am told, rather than having a understanding of the group as a whole.
I may be qualified to comment on Baptist doctrine since I was a Baptist for forty years or so.
How long were you in the Word of Faith Movement?
You know I just walk beside my Baptist friends in the love of Christ.
I do not feel the need to warn people about the Anderson's,, the Westbourgh, the Jack Schaaps of the Baptists.
I believe people can discern for themselves who twists Schripture, if they read God's Word for themselves.
 
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There is a Pentecostal Forum, a Spirit-Filled Forum, and a Word of Faith different. I read the "statement of purpose" of each one and couldn't tell the difference. They also overlap with other forums such as the non-denominational, conservative, and fundamentalist forums.

Statements of purpose tell what each group believes in, not what it does not believe in.

I think the statements of purpose is clear , unless you are told otherwise.
Hhodgson I'm sure will give you a overview of the differences between the Faith groups.
God's Word will bring clarity on all things.
 
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Would you consider that being a Baptist, gives you a special kind of reasoning?
If someone wants to know about Baptist doctrine ,should I post and say that Cessionest are void of any knowlage of the power of God?
That would be presumption due to basing my knowlage on what I am told, rather than having a understanding of the group as a whole.
I may be qualified to comment on Baptist doctrine since I was a Baptist for forty years or so.
How long were you in the Word of Faith Movement?
You know I just walk beside my Baptist friends in the love of Christ.
I do not feel the need to warn people about the Anderson's,, the Westbourgh, the Jack Schaaps of the Baptists.
I believe people can discern for themselves who twists Schripture, if they read God's Word for themselves.
I was Charismatic for 20 years and rubbed shoulders with WoF people many times, and heard hundreds of WoF sermons from many Wof leaders. Even one of my brothers was a WoF pastor for 18 years. I believe my assessment is qualified.
TD:)
 
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I was Charismatic for 20 years and rubbed shoulders with WoF people many times, and heard hundreds of WoF sermons from many Wof leaders. Even one of my brothers was a WoF pastor for 18 years. I believe my assessment is qualified.
TD:)
I disagree considering your prompt answer to a curious person.
You are mistaken in your presumption, you may have been exposed to some outlandish things , there are far mor full Gosple
God fearing people in the Word of Faith Movement than you may know by your experiences.
Have you converted to Calvinism?
 
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There's a lot of overlap. What distinguishes the WOF is the idea that God wants every believer to materially prosper and be healthy with no suffering of any kind, and you can have it if your faith is strong enough. They might disagree or get angry at the "name it and claim it" idea, but it is essentially that. Some of them teach that words of faith are a force, and by that force you can create your own reality. Some go as far as saying that we are "little gods" or "little christs." It takes the "positive thinking" idea to its extreme. They try to negate these assessments with many persuasive words. IMO they base their ideas on scripture taken out of context, but this is the MO of many Christians in error.
TD:)

This statement is so lacking in understanding of Word of Faith.
Some crazy televangelist yes, true people who understand what this movement is about would never say such a thing , it speaks of a bitterness brought on by bad teaching.
We believe that All Schripture is the Word of God.
We believe in prayer based on God's Word and we do not lust after the flesh.
Take a look at Romans 8.
We stand by Faith on God's Word alone, it is more than enough.
We believe Christ paid all for us,and we are adopted in the Family of God through Christ redemptive Blood.
We do not believe that some time some where God changed in this the Church age.
I have heard the most ridiculous excuses for Cessionest that they can make up.
God has not changed ,all the promises of God are yes and amen.
With out Faith you cannot please God.
When we ask we ask not to please our flesh .
We pray and ask for our needs based on God's Word.
If a man hates Bible based prayer then he never believed in the first place.
We are saved by Grace through Faith not of works.
There is nothing mystical about the Bible.
You may see a nut on TV but they do not represent The Word of Faith Movement.
Nor does Copland , Hinn ,or Olstine. They march to there own drummer. If you would like to take this to the debate Fourm and hash it out I will go
 
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There's a lot of overlap. What distinguishes the WOF is the idea that God wants every believer to materially prosper and be healthy with no suffering of any kind, and you can have it if your faith is strong enough. They might disagree or get angry at the "name it and claim it" idea, but it is essentially that. Some of them teach that words of faith are a force, and by that force you can create your own reality. Some go as far as saying that we are "little gods" or "little christs." It takes the "positive thinking" idea to its extreme. They try to negate these assessments with many persuasive words. IMO they base their ideas on scripture taken out of context, but this is the MO of many Christians in error.
TD:)

Your right about that as far as the "lot of overlap." You could put 20 of us at the same table and it's (possible) there could be 20 differences in our Word of Faith beliefs. One could also find several disagreements between each other in all denominations. But what's unique about that is they could all be good friends and just agree to disagree in some of their areas of disagreements. Rarely, (if any)... in Word of Faith would you see one badmouth the other and that's absolutely a mericle within itself. As to our critics, If one were to do some of that research (on their articles) they could eventually find that many of the Word of Faith names they list and come up with are NOT even Word of Faith at all.

Yes, we do (strongly) teach that God wants ALL of us to "prosper and be in good health... as our soul prospers" (3 John 1:2). We can all be prospered in every area of our lives with exceedingly abundently more in meeting, (yes) our needs... AND the needs of others. That can be done without using the term "prosperity gospel." If you were to do some online research and find 50 of our critics (and there out there), one of the first things revealed would be that Word of Faith teaches a prosperity gospel. That analogy came from the critics, not us. There is NO such thing as a prosperity gospel, and sad to say, that many of them, (actually) do know that... but yet, it's usually the first thing brought up in their articles, and other writings anyway. They may, or may not know it but they will be held accountable.

You brought up "faith as a force." I see no problem with that as it is. Our critics use that and say we are forcing God to do something for us which is ridiculous. The force of faith (IMO)... is the applied faith to believe and receive anything, and everything God has (already) done for us. Faith doesn't move God, it moves us. We just need to receive what He's already done and apply our faith.

I don't know anyone except (Benny Hinn) that may have taught that at one time that we're little gods, etc. Btw, Hinn is not Word of Faith. However, I have no problem in that we ARE sons and daughters of God. (2 Corinthians 6:18) And "I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

As for now, I'll address the "name it and claim it" thing. I don't know how you got born-again but I got saved by using His "name" (Jesus Christ) then accepted, and "claimed" Him as my Lord and Savour. Where's the problem?

One other thing is, It's not the amount of faith, it's just applying what you have. Remember the mustard seed?

That's enough from me tdidymas. There's a whole lot more in what Word of Faith beliefs that "we believe" that's much different than what our critics say we teach (Romans 10:8) "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"

Welcome (all) to the Word/Faith forum.

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There is a Pentecostal Forum, a Spirit-Filled Forum, and a Word of Faith different. I read the "statement of purpose" of each one and couldn't tell the difference. They also overlap with other forums such as the non-denominational, conservative, and fundamentalist forums.

Statements of purpose tell what each group believes in, not what it does not believe in.

I've never seen much of a difference. For me.. if one like you asks.. its the word.. faith.. believing that GOD can't lie. If He said it He will do it. The words should tell all "WORD OF FAITH". Things by man have been added to it. But same can be said to almost every group. But.. we should always remember Christ sees no groups. MAN does. He sees on body and He along is the head! We are so divided. Well point of fact is.. where are you posting? yeah.. stay in your group. Jesus came in the flesh born form the virgin Mary died on the cross for the worlds sins.. was buried and rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father <---this alone is not enough..any more. Oh it use to be :)
 
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I've never seen much of a difference. For me.. if one like you asks.. its the word.. faith.. believing that GOD can't lie. If He said it He will do it. The words should tell all "WORD OF FAITH". Things by man have been added to it. But same can be said to almost every group. But.. we should always remember Christ sees no groups. MAN does. He sees on body and He along is the head! We are so divided. Well point of fact is.. where are you posting? yeah.. stay in your group. Jesus came in the flesh born form the virgin Mary died on the cross for the worlds sins.. was buried and rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father <---this alone is not enough..any more. Oh it use to be :)

Nice post Blade... Christ sees no groups, only man does. That's hitting the nail on the head. And...yes, Jesus alone is enough by His Grace... and, our faith (in Him).

There's a whole lot of shaking going on!

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If the Average Christian knew How much love is bestowed on us, bickering would cease.
The truth is we do not comprehend to the fullest God's love.
For me I am trying my best, I come under attack yet the shield holds.
Early one morning I was rushed to speak to a employee.
So I parked wrong since no one was near.
A woman came out of a store, her biker looking man or husband was angry.
Called me a name.
I replyed do not call me that, very firm, I made a mistake.
Well it was gonna be go time, he started loading the back of his car and said well I don't like you.
I stepped front and center looked him in the eye and said well I like You!
It was over before it started his wife was looking down and he was too.
It was not a flee or a flight, it was forgetting what was behind and obeying the Holy Spirit.
I'm not a small guy, and this guy was not either, but in God's eyes we are all children.
So I coined a new phrase : defuse rather than abuse.
Can I get a AMEN?
 
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Your right about that as far as the "lot of overlap." You could put 20 of us at the same table and it's (possible) there could be 20 differences in our Word of Faith beliefs. One could also find several disagreements between each other in all denominations. But what's unique about that is they could all be good friends and just agree to disagree in some of their areas of disagreements. Rarely, (if any)... in Word of Faith would you see one badmouth the other and that's absolutely a mericle within itself. As to our critics, If one were to do some of that research (on their articles) they could eventually find that many of the Word of Faith names they list and come up with are NOT even Word of Faith at all.

Yes, we do (strongly) teach that God wants ALL of us to "prosper and be in good health... as our soul prospers" (3 John 1:2). We can all be prospered in every area of our lives with exceedingly abundently more in meeting, (yes) our needs... AND the needs of others. That can be done without using the term "prosperity gospel." If you were to do some online research and find 50 of our critics (and there out there), one of the first things revealed would be that Word of Faith teaches a prosperity gospel. That analogy came from the critics, not us. There is NO such thing as a prosperity gospel, and sad to say, that many of them, (actually) do know that... but yet, it's usually the first thing brought up in their articles, and other writings anyway. They may, or may not know it but they will be held accountable.

You brought up "faith as a force." I see no problem with that as it is. Our critics use that and say we are forcing God to do something for us which is ridiculous. The force of faith (IMO)... is the applied faith to believe and receive anything, and everything God has (already) done for us. Faith doesn't move God, it moves us. We just need to receive what He's already done and apply our faith.

I don't know anyone except (Benny Hinn) that may have taught that at one time that we're little gods, etc. Btw, Hinn is not Word of Faith. However, I have no problem in that we ARE sons and daughters of God. (2 Corinthians 6:18) And "I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

As for now, I'll address the "name it and claim it" thing. I don't know how you got born-again but I got saved by using His "name" (Jesus Christ) then accepted, and "claimed" Him as my Lord and Savour. Where's the problem?

One other thing is, It's not the amount of faith, it's just applying what you have. Remember the mustard seed?

That's enough from me tdidymas. There's a whole lot more in what Word of Faith beliefs that "we believe" that's much different than what our critics say we teach (Romans 10:8) "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"

Welcome (all) to the Word/Faith forum.

Harry...

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Do you suppose that local Word of Faith Churches have been teaching this sort of doctrine that was mentioned by Titidymas?
Smaller groups that infuse other dogma than that of our mainstream forerunners?
People have commented we practice metaphysical religon.
They say we try to control God.
In study I have not found that what we teach is anything but what is in God's Word.
Example:

Matthew 6: 25. Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26. Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27. Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28. And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29. And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31. Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32. (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
It is about as simple as it gets, do not worry about provision, look to the kingdom of God first.
Since God provides well for all things what more will He provide for us?

Qoute:
John 15: 6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
 
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Long post, yet in order to know what the will of God is, we must read the Word of God in context.
How is believing this Holy Schripture controling
God or mystic thought?
There are too many to list, and we stand on these promises.
Yes they have conditions to them,one is salvation, the other is Faith in God.
I believe people are mistaken by critics they listen to, that cannot for some reason believe God's Word themself.
Somthing happens , someone loses a loved one,, and bitterness is manifested .
It does not change the truth of the Word.
We do not know the distances of every person, but we know the promises of God.
Why do people think Benny Hinn is a representative for us?
They want to pick the most ambitious person they can find to point a finger.
He is not of our fold and they know it.
They think we are claiming gold plated jets, for our flesh.
We are transformed renewed in our mind.
We are not in condemation by God, we walk after the Spirit not our flesh.
I believe the critics have been refuted enough times for most people to know what we believe.
You and I hhodgson have friends who spend many hours repeating the same things.
Rather than critize people should explore the promises of God.
They may find a blessing by showing themselves approved.
 
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I have yet to find a WoF opponent who knows enough about what WoF believes to actually address it.
True for this thread also. Just rehashed lies from heresy hunter websites.
 
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