Divorce and remarriage

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Follow Jesus.

(He forbids remarriage as long as your first spouse is alive)

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Some people would interpret that as you should wish them dead. Or worse, have them killed.

ProdigalGander said:

Some people would interpret that as you should wish them dead. Or worse, have them killed.

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Carnal people do every day.

Those seeking Yahuweh's Kingdom never do.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

How many lives will j.m. 'destroy' ? with her mis-interpretations ? (see online reviews for details)

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What you're saying is completely wrong. God bless her.

ProdigalGander said:

For me to go before a tribunal and say otherwise would be a lie. Are they really telling me that God wants me to lie? I am not going to lie to these people just so they can feel better about their stubbornness.

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Also, it would imply that your children are bastards.

I will give yeshuaslavejeff credit for at least being consistent and principled. He believes that no one should ever remarry after divorce, ever, under any circumstances.

My church teaches that too. UNLESS you can come up with a sufficiently convincing lie that will allow them to construct a legal fiction that says your marriage never really existed in the first place.

In Matthew 19:9 Jesus very clearly states an exception for sexual immorality. I have never heard a Catholic apologist sufficiently explain why this says something other than what it says.

In my case my wife ran off and shacked-up with a criminal, so I believe that He was talking about me.

ProdigalGander said:

In my case my wife ran off and shacked-up with a criminal, so I believe that He was talking about me.

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My girlfriend as well. Her ex-husband cheated on her constantly and actually told her he will not stop doing so. He is currently living with the last woman he cheated on my girlfriend with.

The ones saying no remarriage would have her alone the rest of her life, even though she is the one that was cheated on. They would have me alone, even though my ex-wife divorced me when I didn't want it.

They say that God doesn't bring people together. I call hogwash on that. My girlfriend and I prayed for each other before we knew each other. God brought us together.

Christians are really bad about eating their own!

@yeshuaslavejeff Thank you for the prayers that our relationship lasts, but they're not needed as it is a Godly relationship, one that He made happen! So, since He made it happen, it'll last!

somuchjoy said:

I just don't think you should test God. Some versions say inappropriate contentia is fornication, some say any sexual sin. My research shows that inappropriate contentia is used for fornication specifically in any other part of the Bible. I don't judge, it certainly isn't my place. I do well enough keeping myself and my child straight. But I personally am not willing to risk it. That's just me weighing my own salvation with fear and trembling.

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Speaking to me?

I'm not testing God. I prayed to God for my girlfriend. There is a huge difference.

somuchjoy said:

No, honestly, it wasn't directed towards you. I said me. I don't believe it is right, so I am not going to risk it. Trust me, I've prayed about it too. And God tells me He will take care of me, to focus on him and my child.

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If you prayed and that is what God has impressed upon you, than you are doing what God wants, just as I did, I just had a different response.

ProdigalGander said:

I will give yeshuaslavejeff credit for at least being consistent and principled. He believes that no one should ever remarry after divorce, ever, under any circumstances.

My church teaches that too. UNLESS you can come up with a sufficiently convincing lie that will allow them to construct a legal fiction that says your marriage never really existed in the first place.

In Matthew 19:9 Jesus very clearly states an exception for sexual immorality. I have never heard a Catholic apologist sufficiently explain why this says something other than what it says.

In my case my wife ran off and shacked-up with a criminal, so I believe that He was talking about me.

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I have to respectfully ask,WHY are you a Catholic? Because you were raised in it perhaps?
I'm just curious,because you obviously see through their doctrine.
*Forgive me,for the slight stretching of topic.

Rebecca4Christ said:

I have to respectfully ask,WHY are you a Catholic? Because you were raised in it perhaps?
I'm just curious,because you obviously see through their doctrine.
*Forgive me,for the slight stretching of topic.

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Yes I was raised in the Catholic Church. As are many people of certain ethnic heritages (I'm Irish). I had great aunts and uncles who were nuns and priests. Walking away from all of that isn't easy (as Jerry Seinfeld observed, it's not like changing toothpastes). And the Catholic Church DOES preach the essential truth of salvation. When I attend my girlfriend's Evangelical church I am stunned by how often the pastor will give a sermon and I'll be sitting there having flashbacks to some nun who told me the very same thing back in grade school.

The Catholic Church's biggest problem IMHO is its arrogant and self-righteous senior clergy. As Charlie Daniels observed, they'd like to do a little walkin' too. They seem to have a hard time keeping their own opinions separate from what is actually spelled out in the Bible. And Heaven forbid that they actually turn out to be WRONG about anything.

For much of its history the Catholic Church actually discouraged Catholics from reading the Bible, as they'd no doubt start finding more and more reasons to question things that the Church hierarchy was teaching. To his credit the Priest who presided over my mom's funeral actually admitted this. Today things are different.

ProdigalGander said:

(I'm Irish).

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..
(a footnote of sorts) >

'aye ! <pretend with Irish accent> ..... ye r'member ol' Patrick O'doole ? (I don't know what his last name was)

" "It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as a day of rest from labor. They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week." (James C. Moffatt, D. D.,The Church in Scotland, Philadelphia: 1882, p.140)"

"As noted above, the Christianity which first reached France and Britian was of the school of the apostle John, who ruled the churches in Asia Minor. Colonists from Asia Minor laid the foundations of the pre-Patrick church. They brought with them the doctrine which they received of John, Paul, Philip, and the other apostles of the Lord, which included not only the observance of the seventh day Sabbath, but also the commemoration of Christ's death upon the 14th of Abib--Passover!"

Andrewn said:

I don't usually quote long sections from the Bible but here is the whole context from Mat 5. Do you understand what the Lord Jesus is saying?

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to go into hell. 31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Did you pluck out your right eye and cut off your right hand? Or have you always been sinless?

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excellent approach to the full passage in context. I love this

Andrewn said:

32 But I say to you that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

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Pretty clear.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Pretty clear.

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Yes, but do we just ignore verses 20 and 30? They are equally as clear but there are a lot of Christian inappropriate content addicts with two eyes and hands

GaveMeJoy said:

Yes, but do we just ignore verses 20 and 30? They are equally as clear but there are a lot of Christian inappropriate content addicts with two eyes and hands

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GaveMeJoy said:

Yes, but do we just ignore verses 20 and 30? They are equally as clear but there are a lot of Christian inappropriate content addicts with two eyes and hands

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Why ignore ANY SCRIPTURE ?