Every person charged for shooting 4+ people in 2019.

The Faceless · Aug 7, 2019

This seems to contradict the narrative.

civilwarbuff · Aug 7, 2019

Which narrative?.....that is primarily white supremacists commiting these shootings?....or there have been more mass shootings than the days so far in this year?....or others?

GoldenBoy89 · Aug 7, 2019

It might contradict a narrative.

Not sure that’s the narrative.

The Faceless · Aug 7, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
Which narrative?.....that is primarily white supremacists commiting these shootings?....or there have been more mass shootings than the days so far in this year?....or others?

That most mass shootings are committed by right wing white supremacists.

civilwarbuff · Aug 7, 2019

Most mass shooting here in central Ohio seem to be gang or drug related.......

rambot · Aug 7, 2019

It's really tough to keep track of when gang gun violence is important to people.

It'd be great if they cared all the time.

GreatLakes4Ever · Aug 7, 2019

rambot said:
It's really tough to keep track of when gang gun violence is important to people.

It'd be great if they cared all the time.

That’s why I’ve taken to everyone concerned about Chicago this week as tourists. They only see to worry about it after mass shootings or when they can use the city as a political punching bag. Real odd how they never seem to offer real solutions other than arm everyone to the teeth. Because as we all know, war zones where everyone is armed are known for their high levels of safety.

The Faceless · Aug 7, 2019

GreatLakes4Ever said:
That’s why I’ve taken to everyone concerned about Chicago this week as tourists. They only see to worry about it after mass shootings or when they can use the city as a political punching bag. Real odd how they never seem to offer real solutions other than arm everyone to the teeth. Because as we all know, war zones where everyone is armed are known for their high levels of safety.

I personally look at Chicago and Baltimore, etc, the way I look at the Middle East: If you all want to murder each other, go ahead. Here the US, they reject the police; abroad they reject Western intervention. So, whatever.

civilwarbuff · Aug 7, 2019

GreatLakes4Ever said:
That’s why I’ve taken to everyone concerned about Chicago this week as tourists. They only see to worry about it after mass shootings or when they can use the city as a political punching bag. Real odd how they never seem to offer real solutions other than arm everyone to the teeth. Because as we all know, war zones where everyone is armed are known for their high levels of safety.

Well, when you live in a war zone you better be armed otherwise you are just a casualty........

GreatLakes4Ever · Aug 7, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
Well, when you live in a war zone you better be armed otherwise you are just a casualty........

I live in Chicago. It is not a war zone. Whoever told you that lied to you. I travel through one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the city on a daily basis. Have feared for my life more in a few rural places than I ever have in Chicago.

civilwarbuff · Aug 7, 2019

GreatLakes4Ever said:
I live in Chicago. It is not a war zone. Whoever told you that lied to you. I travel through one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the city on a daily basis. Have feared for my life more in a few rural places than I ever have in Chicago.

If you really took the time to read my comment you would understand it was a response to your 'war zone' comment in general. I couldn't care less about Chicago......

Of the Kingdom · Aug 7, 2019

Does a Meme Show the Faces of Suspected Mass Shooters in U.S. in 2019?

Links are a good thing. The source gives context. In this case, the source is snopes.com -- not where it originated, but what I consider a reliable reference. They identify this as a meme that probably began on 4chan.

Snopes suggests the list is reasonably accurate given the definitition used, but suggests the "mostly black" list of perpetrators was achieved partly by choosing that definition, so the meme would be helpful to the white racists who spread it.

Our relatively brief overview of the alleged shooters included in the August 2019 meme indicates that it was broadly fairly accurate. It contained a few errors, but was faithful overall to its own criteria.

How you define a mass shooting also indirectly has a bearing on the demographic make-up of victims and perpetrators. For example, we know that criminal gangs in the United States are disproportionately made up of Latino and African American members. Including gang-related shootings in your definition of mass shootings will, therefore, increase the proportion of such perpetrators and victims in your count. That should not be surprising or controversial.

Snopes has an alternative idea about how "mass shootings" could be defined, if we were interested in the ones without obvious criminal or other motive. No one is without bias here; let's see if we can see the issue from multiple viewpoints.

The FBI defines an “active shooter incident” (akin to a mass shooting) as an incident in which a perpetrator shoots dead three or more people (not including the perpetrator) in a single incident in a public place, which is unrelated to terrorism, gangs, and doesn’t take place in the course of some other criminal activity (like a robbery or fight).

By this definition, the Gun Violence Archive showed there were six such alleged incidents between Jan. 1 and Aug. 5, 2019:

All six suspects were men, three were white, two were African-American, and the precise racial and ethnic identity of the sixth suspect was not clear.

civilwarbuff · Aug 7, 2019

An active shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area, and recent active shooter incidents have underscored the need for a coordinated response by law enforcement and others to save lives. The FBI is committed to working with its partners to protect schools, workplaces, houses of worship, transportation centers, other public gathering sites, and communities.
https://www.fbi.gov/about/partnerships/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-resources

Active shooter has nothing to with the number of victims only that it is ongoing at the notification time.....

The Faceless · Aug 7, 2019

Of the Kingdom said:
Does a Meme Show the Faces of Suspected Mass Shooters in U.S. in 2019?

Links are a good thing. The source gives context. In this case, the source is snopes.com -- not where it originated, but what I consider a reliable reference. They identify this as a meme that probably began on 4chan.

Snopes suggests the list is reasonably accurate given the definitition used, but suggests the "mostly black" list of perpetrators was achieved partly by choosing that definition, so the meme would be helpful to the white racists who spread it.

Snopes has an alternative idea about how "mass shootings" could be defined, if we were interested in the ones without obvious criminal or other motive. No one is without bias here; let's see if we can see the issue from multiple viewpoints.

The problem Snopes has is the number of victims to be considered a mass shooting. The number is 4 regardless of whether or not they like it. They don't like it because it goes against the narrative.

tall73 · Aug 7, 2019

Obviously biased policing. Women are woefully underrepresented.
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Although we don't want to presume how anyone identifies

GoldenBoy89 · Aug 7, 2019

The Faceless said:
I personally look at Chicago and Baltimore, etc, the way I look at the Middle East: If you all want to murder each other, go ahead. Here the US, they reject the police; abroad they reject Western intervention. So, whatever.

Really feeling the love in this post.

tall73 · Aug 7, 2019

The Faceless said:
I personally look at Chicago and Baltimore, etc, the way I look at the Middle East: If you all want to murder each other, go ahead. Here the US, they reject the police; abroad they reject Western intervention. So, whatever.

Not all who live there are gang members. Just as not all are fighters in the middle east. I do feel sorry for those caught in the middle. If your neighborhood is ruled by drug gangs, your young women, young men sold into slavery for sex or labor, it is a terrible situation. We ought to care.

I do not necessarily think the solution is removing guns from those in the area who want to protect themselves.

Go Braves · Aug 7, 2019

It supports the narrative that the United States of America has more mass shootings in a year than all our peer countries combined do in multiple years.

tall73 · Aug 7, 2019

Go Braves said:
It supports the narrative that the United States of America has more mass shootings in a year than all our peer countries combined do in multiple years.

Agreed, but we also kill more people in the US by means OTHER than guns than all the homicides total in our peer countries, per 100k. Then we stack the gun killings on top of that. We have a violence problem.

I can't figure out who said it first, but it is still true: The decision to kill comes before the choice of instrument.

Often Americans just go with what is at hand.

FBI Crime data for 2017, homicides

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-20

Handguns 7,032
Rifles 403
Shotguns 264
Unknown Firearms 3,283
Knives (cutting) 1,591
Other weapons 1,860
Hands, fists, feet 696

FBI Crime data for 2016, homicides

https://ucr.fbi.gov/…/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

Handguns: 7,105
Rifles: 374
Shotgun:262
Unknown firearm: 3,263
Knives 1,604
Other weapon 1,806
Hands, fists, feet: 656

Nithavela · Aug 7, 2019

Aww, you missed the opportunity to smuggle a photo from a celebrity or movie character into the mix.

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