Montana man assaults teen for 'disrespecting' the national anthem at fair

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Well that's disgusting and disturbing. A stranger thought the boy should have taken off his hat for the flag so he beat the child to a bloody pulp? If your love for a flag causes you to do something like that to anyone, much less a child; it's probably not a good or positive thing in your life.
 
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Pretty pathetic the lengths people will go to for a rag and some words.
I support free expression with regard to the flag and the anthem as nuch as anyone, and it is not merely "a rag and some words".
 
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Flag code is not law.

That said, other countries do not consider this culturally acceptable with their flags. It is a North American thing only.
The USC or United States Code is the law (well, laws) of the land. That said 4 USC 1 doesnt include enforcemet provisions, nor potential sanctions and thus really is more of a set of guidelines than civil or criminal statutes.
 
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It wasn't his right or place to instruct the boy to begin with. It was none of his business.
I don't know, I've heard that it takes a village to raise a child. It's kinda fuzzy who said it, but I think it was a GOP talking point a while back.
 
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I don't know, I've heard that it takes a village to raise a child. It's kinda fuzzy who said it, but I think it was a GOP talking point a while back.

Just the opposite. Conservatives were claiming that it taking a village to raise a child was Marxist communism and that parents knew best how to raise their child and no one else!
 
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I don't know, but probably about the time that the first self-appointed "teacher" put his hands on the child of another person and was thrashed soundly by said other person. You, nor anyone else is not the person to "teach" my child "respect" via physical intimidation or violence especially when you don't know if my child has been "taught" incorrectly, not "taught" at all, was simply absent minded or was engaging in a fully legal act of protest.



The beating of a child for not "respecting" the flag by an adult is a guaranteed way to hasten the breakdown of society.



Boring, apocalyptic histrionics I've been hearing since the 1980s, long after the 1960s and 1970s when some could say that "anti-social" behavior was at it's apex. Do try to answer my simple and focused question - when where random strangers assigned to teach random children proper anthemic/flag etiquette - and all the more so, when were they given free reign to assault those children if they were "doing it wrong"?
I never said it was right for the guy to use violence to "teach" the kid. What I see is the bigger picture of the prevalence of disrespect in a lot of areas and not just the anthem. I see where this is headed. Herding sheep is easy if you chase them in the direction you want them to go. They know no better and do not see where this is leading. All they see is getting away but miss the fact that it is away from the green pastures. It is not for our good. I can see that you have a blind eye towards apocalyptic events foretold while seeing nothing wrong with current disintegration of our society.
 
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Pretty pathetic the lengths people will go to for a rag and some words.

Especially a rag that represents something that is becoming more and more easy to disrespect as time goes by.
 
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Funny to see people arguing "it's just a piece of cloth...it's just a flag".

Where were you when all those people were freaking out about the Confederate flag? If you had reminded all those angry mobs it's just a piece of cloth, you could have spared this nation a lot of grief.
 
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Funny to see people arguing "it's just a piece of cloth...it's just a flag".

Where were you when all those people were freaking out about the Confederate flag? If you had reminded all those angry mobs it's just a piece of cloth, you could have spared this nation a lot of grief.
The US flag is just a thing. It can represent ideals, but it is just an object. No amount of zeal for the object, or "disrespect" for it, can justify violence, let alone an adult hospitalizing a child. People are objecting to the violence done in the flag's "name".

The Confederate flag is just a thing. The difference here is it singularly represents racist hatred. It was created specifically to represent the community of people who wanted to keep black people in slavery. It is not being hoisted today for any honorable reason. It is used solely to remind black people of the violence done against them, and to signal the desire to return to that violence. People are objecting to the... violence done in the flag's name.

So I'm not seeing the inconsistency.
 
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I think I have made myself very clear throughout my time on CF just how I feel about the American flag and about America itself. I have made a point to express my personal opinion that I think the American flag and the Confederate flag both represent racism and oppression of minorities. In fact, I have a personal distaste for the Confederate flag as I do for the American flag. I have also made it a point to express my personal opinion that I think the people who oppose the Confederate flag aren't being consistent in their arguments against it. If I may, I will further explain my reasons why.

The Confederate States of America only had legalized slavery for four years of its entire existence, but the United States of America had legalized slavery for 89 years until slavery was abolished by the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865. The descendants of freed slaves were then denied freedom, liberty, justice, and equality to white people for the next 99 years until the Civil Rights Movement in 1964.

The United States of America spent 188 years of its entire existence denying black people freedom, liberty, justice and equality to white people. America had the 3/5th Compromise and slavery for 89 years VERSUS the Confederate States of America having slavery for the four years of its existence.

In the United States of America, black people were lynched and hung from trees. They had to sit at the back of the public bus and were legally required to give up their seat to a white person. They were not allowed to eat at the same counter as white people in a public restaurant or use the same public restroom as white people or use the same drinking fountain as white people. Black children were not allowed to go to school with white children until the Supreme Court intervened with the landmark Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. It took another three years and the presence of the National Guard before black children were finally allowed to attend public schools with white children.

In United States of America, "No Colored" signs, "No Mexicans" signs, "No Indians and dogs" signs, and "Whites Only" signs once dawned public stores and public restaurants. Black people were legally segregated from white people during the era of the Jim Crow laws. Black people were also denied the right to vote until the Voting Rights Act in 1965. It's only been 55 years since black people and other minorities have had civil rights and equality to white people and America is 243 years old.

The United States of America, unlike the Confederate States of America, has claimed to have been founded upon freedom, liberty and justice for all. America also has within in its own Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal and they are endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The Confederate States of America never claimed to be founded upon freedom, liberty and justice for all. The Confederate States of America never claimed to be the land of the free and home of the brave.

In conclusion, far more atrocities against black people (and other minorities) were committed under the American flag than under the Confederate flag. I think if a person is going to be morally indignant about the Confederate flag because they believe it represents slavery, racial hatred and racism against black people, then they should extend their moral indignation to the American flag because America is far more guilty of slavery, racial hatred and racism against black people (and other minorities).
 
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The US flag is just a thing. It can represent ideals, but it is just an object. No amount of zeal for the object, or "disrespect" for it, can justify violence, let alone an adult hospitalizing a child. People are objecting to the violence done in the flag's "name".

The Confederate flag is just a thing. The difference here is it singularly represents racist hatred. It was created specifically to represent the community of people who wanted to keep black people in slavery. It is not being hoisted today for any honorable reason. It is used solely to remind black people of the violence done against them, and to signal the desire to return to that violence. People are objecting to the... violence done in the flag's name.

So I'm not seeing the inconsistency.

Yes, that is very inconsistent considering the history of deep rooted racism in the United States of America against black people and other minorities, which the embedded racism manifested itself through subjugation, oppression, racial violence, slavery, discrimination, and legal segregation.
 
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Well that, and folks validating the 39-year-old registered violent offender while pontificating that the child he assaulted is the one who must not have been taught proper respect.

QFT.
 
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Yes, that is very inconsistent considering the history of deep rooted racism in the United States of America against black people and other minorities, which the embedded racism manifested itself through subjugation, oppression, racial violence, slavery, discrimination, and legal segregation.
I don't see the inconsistency.

People are objecting to the violence done in the flag's name... US flag, Confederate flag, the complaint is still, "Hey, stop hurting people."
 
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I never said it was right for the guy to use violence to "teach" the kid. What I see is the bigger picture of the prevalence of disrespect in a lot of areas and not just the anthem
Yes. Relevant to this case is disrespect of freedom of expression shown by the guy who decided it was OK to beat someone up for exercising it.
 
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Funny to see people arguing "it's just a piece of cloth...it's just a flag".

Where were you when all those people were freaking out about the Confederate flag?
I remember being here discussing white supremacists who were marching with torches and chanting Nazi slogans. Why do you ask?
 
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Well, this will certainly calm this thread down.

The attorney for a Montana man accused of throwing a 13-year-old boy to the ground at a rodeo because the teenager didn't remove his hat during the national anthem said Wednesday his client believes he was acting on an order from President Donald Trump.


Jasper said Brockway is a U.S. Army veteran who believes he was acting on an order by the commander in chief. He added that Brockway's decision-making has been affected by a traumatic brain injury he suffered in a vehicle crash in 2000 while he was stationed at Fort Lewis, Washington.

"His commander in chief is telling people that if they kneel, they should be fired, or if they burn a flag, they should be punished," Jasper said. "He certainly didn't understand it was a crime."
 
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Well, this will certainly calm this thread down.

The attorney for a Montana man accused of throwing a 13-year-old boy to the ground at a rodeo because the teenager didn't remove his hat during the national anthem said Wednesday his client believes he was acting on an order from President Donald Trump.


Jasper said Brockway is a U.S. Army veteran who believes he was acting on an order by the commander in chief. He added that Brockway's decision-making has been affected by a traumatic brain injury he suffered in a vehicle crash in 2000 while he was stationed at Fort Lewis, Washington.

"His commander in chief is telling people that if they kneel, they should be fired, or if they burn a flag, they should be punished," Jasper said. "He certainly didn't understand it was a crime."

If true there is no way he should be released, committed to an institution perhaps.

The original article indicates he is on probation yet he is apt to be released on his own recognizance. At least it seems the crowd was closing in on him, I can understand being caught by surprise and being slow to act. The court should perform better. He should be back in jail for a parole violation and stay there until well after this assault case is settled. With luck there might be some way to make it a 3rd strike.
 
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