Only 10% in the US do not have medical insurance

Veritas said:

How much are you willing to pay for someone else's insurance?

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Based on the @Mountainmanbob statistic, 12% more than we all pay right now (100/90= 1.11 so an additional 11% of current rate +1% to make sure to have made it) should cover it (this is assuming we don’t fix inefficiencies like ample paper pushing and shareholders wetting their beaks in the backs of someone’s illness; fix those and it might be even less) and I would not even bat an at having to pay for it. I improve my socioeconomic position and I would be quite willing to raise that threshold. If you can show me even back of a cocktail napkin math on what you think the cost would be, I am willing to discuss it. Would you be willing to pay 12% more than you currently do to make sure people aren’t dying in the streets due to lack of health care?

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:

...or you get something better somewhere else. Doing away with private insurance and adopting a government health system is essentially like everyone being forced to work for the same crappy company and actually "forced" to take the same crappy healthcare they offer you.

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Except that those “crappy” plans are in fact better than most “Cadillac” plans people talk about

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:

You are correct that the ACA hasn't been in effect for 10 years. But the effects were beginning before it was in effect.

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Showing that the free market didn't exactly have a great track record with fixing the problem either.

ArmenianJohn said:

I look at my plans today and the best available has a deductible for one person of over $6,000 and actually more with the various co-pays and co-insurance I would have to pay if it got to that point. And I always think this to myself, that this "full boat" coverage I have is really yesterday's "catastrophic" plan.

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But hey, you also get an option to save your own money to pay for expenses the private companies decide they don't want to.

Kinda makes you wonder why old people get better plans than the wonderful ones paid for by employers. If only employers could contribute something and in exchange be able to offer that same better-quality insurance to their employers.

cow451 said:

35 million uninsured.

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I mean, yeah, that's a problem. I just don't imagine it was the particular problem the post I was replying to was hinting at.

cow451 said:

35 million uninsured.

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For Comparison,

HOW MANY , in Israel, after they left Egypt (or even before then), and wandered 40 years in the wilderness because of their several rebellions,
how many were insured ?

timothyu said:

Why would you assume that? Service is only as good as the doctor.

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Most healthcare (service) is politely at best crappy. Regardless of the doctor. .This is necessarily so because of the god called profit (greed).
Without any insurance, it is best/better to find excellent true health care, though it may take many years to find...

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:

You are correct that the ACA hasn't been in effect for 10 years. But the effects were beginning before it was in effect.

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No they weren't.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

For Comparison,

HOW MANY , in Israel, after they left Egypt (or even before then), and wandered 40 years in the wilderness because of their several rebellions,
how many were insured ?

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How many shekels did an office visit cost?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Most healthcare (service) is politely at best crappy. Regardless of the doctor. .This is necessarily so because of the god called profit (greed).

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A poster observes that some people are crappy patients.

Mountainmanbob said:

Here they get it free.
Where are ones dying?
M-Bob

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Who provides this “free” care?

cow451 said:

A poster observes that some people are crappy patients.

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Most are, and even likely they have to be, if they don't trust God by faith in Jesus the Messiah.

cow451 said:

How many shekels did an office visit cost?

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I think 5 shekels a year. The care provided was the best ever. Better than anything the United States offers officially anywhere.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Most are, and even likely they have to be, if they don't trust God by faith in Jesus the Messiah.

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I know a lot of Christians that are crappy patients.

cow451 said:

I know a lot of Christians that are crappy patients.

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If they trust the ama , the doctor, mankind, that is to be expected, isn't it ?

If you meet true Christians, well, see the description in the Bible. Not very many around. And even 'many' possibly true Christians are still today deceived ...... "for lack of knowledge, MY PEOPLE PERISH"..... because their teachers are deceived too....

yeshuaslavejeff said:

If they trust the ama , the doctor, mankind, that is to be expected, isn't it ?

If you meet true Christians, well, see the description in the Bible. Not very many around. And even 'many' possibly true Christians are still today deceived ...... "for lack of knowledge, MY PEOPLE PERISH"..... because their teachers are deceived too....

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Are you questioning the Christianity of people simply because they aren’t “good patients”? I mean, really?

cow451 said:

Are you questioning the Christianity of people simply because they aren’t “good patients”? I mean, really?

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non-sequitur....

Everyone who claims to be a Christian is to be constantly tested, we are to constantly, daily, test one another, to prove what is/or who is/ of the truth and who is not.

"Good" patients , if Christian, seek Yahuweh's Kingdom every day.
Those who are able get healed, and get free from the sickness industry.

Those who are not yet healed, still keep seeking Yahuweh's Kingdom and His Righteousness, and freedom from all that is wrong, Yahuweh Willing.

cow451 said:

Are you questioning the Christianity of people simply because they aren’t “good patients”? I mean, really?

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They couldn't heal themselves?

KCfromNC said:

But hey, you also get an option to save your own money to pay for expenses the private companies decide they don't want to.

Kinda makes you wonder why old people get better plans than the wonderful ones paid for by employers. If only employers could contribute something and in exchange be able to offer that same better-quality insurance to their employers.

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LOL, yeah, I get to have an HSA to save money to pay for those expenses. But I'm not allowed to save too much - only $3500, which doesn't even cover the deductible. But hey at least I can open up a savings account in a bank to save more of my taxed money! What a benefit! LOL