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RocksInMyHead · Aug 5, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
So it was a call to reinstate the death penalty, not specifically racist.

Over a racially-charged situation. Smoke and fire, ya know.

Because it shows someone of about the same age with a similar attitude. Prejudice is not racism.

If you're not trying to excuse what Trump said, then why are anyone else's similar words be relevant? Joe Biden said that - it was racist. Trump said what he said - that was racist too. And racial prejudice is absolutely racism.

Maybe so, not necessarily.

Oh please.

This is only prejudice. He had a predetermined idea of what an Indian would look like, and they didn't look like that. And actually, in that timeframe, there was a large consensus that didn't want Indian-run casinos at all. Especially casino owners in Las Vegas, Reno and Atlantic City. They wanted to be the only game in town.

I'm not saying he didn't have a reason for his attacks. But the fact that he chose to attack them based on their race was, you guessed it, racist!

Well, let's be honest. "We" haven't. You just think you have. Secondly, it was to be an Islamic Community Center AND MOSQUE. It was reported, at the time, that people didn't know what the building was going to be. So a coherent reason for opposing it would be "they weren't being honest about what it was going to be."

Got any evidence for your statements? And if that's the real reason, why didn't you start with it?

I have clearly established that your original claim that was going to be "on top of" Ground Zero was 100% false. It wasn't going to be on top of, or even across the street from, Ground Zero.

You didn't look very far. Third from the top was this: Did Obama get worse grades than Bush? New evidence reveals his college class got lower SAT scores than Dubya | Daily Mail Online

You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word "average." A discussion of the average SAT score of 67 students isn't really relevant to the score of one of those individuals. Furthermore, it's entirely possible that he bombed his SAT. There are multiple reasons why that might have happened. However, he took the SAT three years before going to Columbia. That's a lot of time for a teenager to change and get his act together. Even if he did have a bad SAT, it's not unreasonable for his accomplishments at Occidental to have evened things out. Clearly, his accomplishments after being admitted to Columbia speak to his intelligence.

Also, Google gives everyone different search results based on their history. That article never showed up for me, even several pages in.

FreeinChrist · Aug 5, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
Not really. Beto's family owned slaves. While I don't know if it was racism that fomented slavery, by today's standards, Beto's family was racist. I think from my POV, Elizabeth Warren's claiming Native American ancestry was racism. But I haven't publicalyy declared it.

Recently? Did they own slaves within the last 100 years?

Root of Jesse · Aug 5, 2019

RocksInMyHead said:
Over a racially-charged situation. Smoke and fire, ya know.

Your interpretation. I see a crime in a rich neighborhood, and a citizen wiwth a voice trying to do something about it.

If you're not trying to excuse what Trump said, then why are anyone else's similar words be relevant? Joe Biden said that - it was racist. Trump said what he said - that was racist too. And racial prejudice is absolutely racism.

So being a racist doesn't disqualify you for holding public office. Now I see where you're coming from.

Oh please.

I'm not saying he didn't have a reason for his attacks. But the fact that he chose to attack them based on their race was, you guessed it, racist!

You are aware that there is no race called Indian? So how can it possibly be racist?

Got any evidence for your statements? And if that's the real reason, why didn't you start with it?

I have clearly established that your original claim that was going to be "on top of" Ground Zero was 100% false. It wasn't going to be on top of, or even across the street from, Ground Zero.

You haven't clearly established anything, except that you don't know the facts. You said it wasn't going to be a mosque, and everyone was all for it. I looked it up, and recalled the facts.

You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word "average." A discussion of the average SAT score of 67 students isn't really relevant to the score of one of those individuals. Furthermore, it's entirely possible that he bombed his SAT. There are multiple reasons why that might have happened. However, he took the SAT three years before going to Columbia. That's a lot of time for a teenager to change and get his act together. Even if he did have a bad SAT, it's not unreasonable for his accomplishments at Occidental to have evened things out. Clearly, his accomplishments after being admitted to Columbia speak to his intelligence.

Well, having admitted that he smoked marijuana and did cocaine, and skipped school to surf, I think that proves he wasn't a good student. But we've seen how people with money can buy their way into a school.

Also, Google gives everyone different search results based on their history. That article never showed up for me, even several pages in.

It just shows how good a Google search is, if you're not looking for a result you don't want.

Root of Jesse · Aug 5, 2019

FreeinChrist said:
Recently? Did they own slaves within the last 100 years?

I don't know. If you're interested, check it out. But it goes to show that any candidate in the race right now has about as much racism in their past, and it also shows that so-called racism isn't a disqualifier for occupying the Oval Office.

FreeinChrist · Aug 5, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
I don't know. If you're interested, check it out. But it goes to show that any candidate in the race right now has about as much racism in their past, and it also shows that so-called racism isn't a disqualifier for occupying the Oval Office.

I don't buy that at all.

The person running for President has to be responsible for their own decisions, words, and actions.

Another way to state your view is that anyone who had a criminal in their family in the past is responsible for that criminal's decisions and cannot be trusted to obey the law. It is a dumb argument.

KCfromNC · Aug 6, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
Not really. Beto's family owned slaves. While I don't know if it was racism that fomented slavery, by today's standards, Beto's family was racist.

That's great, but it isn't me that you have to convince, it is this post :

Root of Jesse said:
Racism is largely how one feels, and therefore cannot be shown to be true.

I mean, I thought that post was nonsense too, but good luck convincing the guy who wrote it.

Root of Jesse · Aug 6, 2019

FreeinChrist said:
I don't buy that at all.

The person running for President has to be responsible for their own decisions, words, and actions.

Another way to state your view is that anyone who had a criminal in their family in the past is responsible for that criminal's decisions and cannot be trusted to obey the law. It is a dumb argument.

So do you think Biden is a good choice? What about Kamala Harris, someone who tries to be black, but isn't? Or Elizabeth Warren, who tried to be Native American but isn't?
As for your second statement, racism isn't criminal, unless it's acted out. But I don't see any of these people, the President included, as racist. Prejudiced? You bet. All of them. All of us. Most of the Democrat party is prejudiced against white people, even if they are white themselves.

Root of Jesse · Aug 6, 2019

KCfromNC said:
That's great, but it isn't me that you have to convince, it is this post :

I mean, I thought that post was nonsense too, but good luck convincing the guy who wrote it.

So tell me, then. How do you stop racism?

FreeinChrist · Aug 6, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
So do you think Biden is a good choice? What about Kamala Harris, someone who tries to be black, but isn't? Or Elizabeth Warren, who tried to be Native American but isn't?
As for your second statement, racism isn't criminal, unless it's acted out. But I don't see any of these people, the President included, as racist. Prejudiced? You bet. All of them. All of us. Most of the Democrat party is prejudiced against white people, even if they are white themselves.

Your whole post is appalling to me.
One, Kamala Harris is black even if she is mixed race. Her father is a black man from Jamaica. Many view folks from India as people of color. That smear point is disgusting.

Two, Warren has great ideas and intelligence and cares about the common person. Who cares that at some point she believed her family had NA ancestors? She has recognized the truth now and moved on. Lots of folks think they have NA ancestors and don't. My husband thought his father was half Cherokee until research showed that his obnoxious grandfather abandoned his real grandmother and was living in sin with a Cherokee woman.

Three, the Democratic party (NOTE THAT IT IS DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND NOT DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT WAS INITIALLY USED AS A SLUR) is not prejudiced against white people. That shows bias on your part.

Four, racism is shown in words as well as actions.

KCfromNC · Aug 6, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
So tell me, then. How do you stop racism?

I'm not sure why this is a reply to what I posted. The topic of that line of discussion was identifying racism, or the impossibility thereof.

RocksInMyHead · Aug 6, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
Your interpretation. I see a crime in a rich neighborhood, and a citizen wiwth a voice trying to do something about it.

What makes your opinion more valid than mine here?

So being a racist doesn't disqualify you for holding public office. Now I see where you're coming from.

Not sure why it would - there's nothing in the constitution that says so. Not sure where you're going with this though. I'll remind you - you posted the Biden quote as a response to a racist comment from Trump. I'm still not seeing the connection.

You are aware that there is no race called Indian? So how can it possibly be racist?

You are aware of the country of India, right? There is absolutely a race called "Indian" - though that's not who Trump was talking about. Calling someone the "wrong" name doesn't excuse it though. There's no race called "chink" or "kraut" (for example), but both of those can be used to refer to specific ethnicities. "Indian" is an old politically-incorrect term for "Native American" and it's abundantly clear that that's who Trump was talking about in that statement.

You haven't clearly established anything, except that you don't know the facts. You said it wasn't going to be a mosque, and everyone was all for it. I looked it up, and recalled the facts.

I suggest reading this article: The Sad, True Story of the Ground Zero Mosque

Well, having admitted that he smoked marijuana and did cocaine, and skipped school to surf, I think that proves he wasn't a good student. But we've seen how people with money can buy their way into a school.

Drug use doesn't necessarily indicate that he was a poor student. I knew quite a few people who smoked weed and were excellent students. And again, his high school record wouldn't have been all that relevant to his acceptance to Columbia since he was transferring from another college. Your college scores are far more important in that situation.

Furthermore, his family was not rich - he paid for college and law school with student loans and graduated with quite a bit of debt. So he didn't "buy his way" into school.

Root of Jesse · Aug 23, 2019

FreeinChrist said:
Your whole post is appalling to me.

Thanks. Likewise.

One, Kamala Harris is black even if she is mixed race. Her father is a black man from Jamaica. Many view folks from India as people of color. That smear point is disgusting.

You know, that's one of the things I find appalling. I don't see people as 'of color' or 'not of color'. I see people as people. And I don't really care about her ethnicity. She is descended from a slave-owner, in fact. So what? Just like Elizabeth Warren-trying to use race and gender to get ahead. Ask Willie Brown about that...

Two, Warren has great ideas and intelligence and cares about the common person. Who cares that at some point she believed her family had NA ancestors? She has recognized the truth now and moved on. Lots of folks think they have NA ancestors and don't. My husband thought his father was half Cherokee until research showed that his obnoxious grandfather abandoned his real grandmother and was living in sin with a Cherokee woman.

The point is she used her supposed NA heritage to get ahead. And I as much believe she cares about the common person as any of the other Democrat candidates. (They call themselves "Democrats" right???)

Three, the Democratic party (NOTE THAT IT IS DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND NOT DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT WAS INITIALLY USED AS A SLUR) is not prejudiced against white people. That shows bias on your part.

Actually, I think they are.

Four, racism is shown in words as well as actions.

Words can be seen as actions. But trying to decide what someone is thinking is employing Communist techniques.

Root of Jesse · Aug 23, 2019

KCfromNC said:
I'm not sure why this is a reply to what I posted. The topic of that line of discussion was identifying racism, or the impossibility thereof.

But how do you stop it? Even if you identify it, and put it in a box, you cannot stop people from thinking racist thoughts. Racist people will be racist people, and there will always be racists people.

Root of Jesse · Aug 23, 2019

RocksInMyHead said:
What makes your opinion more valid than mine here?
[/quote']Then you're agreeing with me that racism is in the eye of the beholder, and therefore it's an opinion.

Not sure why it would - there's nothing in the constitution that says so. Not sure where you're going with this though. I'll remind you - you posted the Biden quote as a response to a racist comment from Trump. I'm still not seeing the connection.

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Well, I guess you missed the point, even though it's right in front of your face. My position is that there is racism on both sides. In fact, the Democrat party didn't want to pass civil rights legislation.

You are aware of the country of India, right? There is absolutely a race called "Indian" - though that's not who Trump was talking about. Calling someone the "wrong" name doesn't excuse it though. There's no race called "chink" or "kraut" (for example), but both of those can be used to refer to specific ethnicities. "Indian" is an old politically-incorrect term for "Native American" and it's abundantly clear that that's who Trump was talking about in that statement.

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In America, at the time he was speaking, if he said it, he meant Native American. So what?

I suggest reading this article: The Sad, True Story of the Ground Zero Mosque

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No thanks. I have a cancer patient I'm the sole caretaker for, so I'll decline.

Drug use doesn't necessarily indicate that he was a poor student. I knew quite a few people who smoked weed and were excellent students. And again, his high school record wouldn't have been all that relevant to his acceptance to Columbia since he was transferring from another college. Your college scores are far more important in that situation.

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Anecdotal at best. But it's a valid supposition.

Furthermore, his family was not rich - he paid for college and law school with student loans and graduated with quite a bit of debt. So he didn't "buy his way" into school.

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Again, so what?

FreeinChrist · Aug 23, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
Thanks. Likewise.You know, that's one of the things I find appalling. I don't see people as 'of color' or 'not of color'. I see people as people. And I don't really care about her ethnicity. She is descended from a slave-owner, in fact. So what? Just like Elizabeth Warren-trying to use race and gender to get ahead. Ask Willie Brown about that...The point is she used her supposed NA heritage to get ahead. And I as much believe she cares about the common person as any of the other Democrat candidates. (They call themselves "Democrats" right???)Actually, I think they are.
Words can be seen as actions. But trying to decide what someone is thinking is employing Communist techniques.

This is the post I responded to:

So do you think Biden is a good choice? What about Kamala Harris, someone who tries to be black, but isn't? Or Elizabeth Warren, who tried to be Native American but isn't?
As for your second statement, racism isn't criminal, unless it's acted out. But I don't see any of these people, the President included, as racist. Prejudiced? You bet. All of them. All of us. Most of the Democrat party is prejudiced against white people, even if they are white themselves.

If you don't see color, then why did you make the comment that she "tries to be black"?
She is also descended from one of that slave owner's black slaves. One white slave owner and a mother who is from India does not erase her heritage. She can own that heritage if she wants to. Attacking her for claiming that heritage is ignorant.

And now you are trying to smear Democrats with the "Communist techniques" comment. That is pathetic.

gaara4158 · Aug 23, 2019

hislegacy said:
Hmmm I guess I’m some cases it might just be working.

Indeed. In the face of evidence and hearing it often from multiple sources, some decide a conspiracy is more likely than the claims being true. Brainwashing will do that.

gaara4158 · Aug 23, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
The news are so opinionated these days--on both sides.

This isn’t an accident. The wealthy class wants the middle and poor classes fighting amongst themselves so they won’t unite against them.

KCfromNC · Aug 24, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
But how do you stop it? Even if you identify it, and put it in a box, you cannot stop people from thinking racist thoughts. Racist people will be racist people, and there will always be racists people.

I wouldn't be so negative. I mean, in just a week or two here we went from it being impossible to identify to looking for a solution for obvious cases of it. Imagine what we could do in a few more.

RocksInMyHead · Aug 24, 2019

Root of Jesse said:
Then you're agreeing with me that racism is in the eye of the beholder, and therefore it's an opinion.

In the sense that one person can think that something is racist and another person can think it isn't - sure. However, opinions can be wrong. If someone is offended by something, saying that you don't think it's offensive doesn't negate the fact that they were offended.

Well, I guess you missed the point, even though it's right in front of your face. My position is that there is racism on both sides. In fact, the Democrat party didn't want to pass civil rights legislation.

Two parts to this:
1. "Both sides do it" isn't an excuse. I condemn racism on both sides of the aisle. And I thought you said that it wasn't racist? Change your mind?

2. The Democratic Party of the 1960s is not the same as the Democratic Party of 50+ years later. The vast majority of Democrats who did not support civil rights legislation left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights Act was passed and joined the Republicans as part of Nixon's Southern Strategy. If you look at the divide between people who voted for and against the Civil Rights Act, the clear deciding factor is North vs. South, not Democrat vs. Republican. Southern Republicans voted against the CRA and Northern Democrats voted for it. However, most Democrats at the time came from Southern states, while most Republicans came from Northern states, so it should be no surprise that most Democrats voted against it while most Republicans voted for it. This idea has been refuted many, many times on this forum, and yet people keep bringing it up as of it's some kind of "gotcha." It isn't.

In America, at the time he was speaking, if he said it, he meant Native American. So what?

Agreed. You said that because "Indian" wasn't a race, it couldn't be racist. Now that we've cleared up that "Indian" in this case means "Native American," which is a race, can you agree that it was racist?

No thanks. I have a cancer patient I'm the sole caretaker for, so I'll decline.

It's not that long of an article and you clearly have time to respond to this thread, so why not? You've had a few weeks since I made the post - surely you could find 20 minutes somewhere to educate yourself.

Anecdotal at best. But it's a valid supposition.

Why does the fact that it's anecdotal matter? You claim that because he smoked weed in high school, he must have been a bad student - in other words, anyone who smokes weed is a poor student. Even a single example disproves that claim. I provided an example - multiple, in fact, because I knew several people who smoked weed while being good students. Therefore, your claim is false.

And transfer grades being more important than high school grades isn't anecdotal. That's a fact. If he was a good student at his transfer college, then, even if he barely passed high school, it wouldn't matter very much.

Again, so what?

You claimed he bought his way into school. He did not - his family was not rich enough to do something like that.

Root of Jesse · Aug 26, 2019

FreeinChrist said:
This is the post I responded to:

So do you think Biden is a good choice? What about Kamala Harris, someone who tries to be black, but isn't? Or Elizabeth Warren, who tried to be Native American but isn't?
As for your second statement, racism isn't criminal, unless it's acted out. But I don't see any of these people, the President included, as racist. Prejudiced? You bet. All of them. All of us. Most of the Democrat party is prejudiced against white people, even if they are white themselves.

If you don't see color, then why did you make the comment that she "tries to be black"?
She is also descended from one of that slave owner's black slaves. One white slave owner and a mother who is from India does not erase her heritage. She can own that heritage if she wants to. Attacking her for claiming that heritage is ignorant.

And now you are trying to smear Democrats with the "Communist techniques" comment. That is pathetic.

So trying to be something you aren't is cool with you. I get it.

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