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Since the original thread on this topic I created is more than 9 yrs old and was created on the GT board, I thought I would just start a new one on it.
OC Jerusalem, Lake of Fire the Same?
Jan 20, 2010
Poll from the original pollI would like to ask other fellow others here if it is possible, and even scriptural, that whatever City is being symbolized here, if it is possible it could also symbolize the "lake of fire"? Thoughts?
I voted option 1...1st century Jerusalem
OC Jerusalem, Lake of Fire the Same?
Jan 20, 2010
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Yes it is possible they are the same
5 vote(s)
13.2% - No, it is not possible they are the same
8 vote(s)
21.1% - That is an absurb and ridiculous view!
10 vote(s)
26.3% - I have never thought of it that way
6 vote(s)
15.8% - I don't know
6 vote(s)
15.8% - None of the above
3 vote(s)
7.9%
lol . will think about it .
bless .
I always thought the Lake of fire is Hell
what is oc and where is a city burning?
i can't vote because i still don't understand your question.
so are you saying that you think that the city of Jerusalem in old testament times was the lake of fire?
did the whole city burn down at some point?
hmmmmmmm.....never considered that.....cuz when i think of Lake of Fire, i think of the judgement, God's White Throne Judgement and how "final" that is...because heaven and earth has passed away...it appears to me, to be in the future.
it certainly could symbolize the OC Priesthood, Pharisees, Sadducees, etc.
this is realllly deep...gotta munch on this....
OK, I "bit" ... er, voted
As the Holy Scripture 'reads' on many levels (there is hidden in the physical the spiritual, and the spiritual is expressed in the physical, for ex.) I do think that is possible.
This I would like to contemplate more ...
yep. and isn't the lake of fire supposed to burn forever?
Rev. 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where also the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
If the entire city of Jerusalem was burnt down, it is not still burning.
Hmm i guess that would depend if the great city were jerusalem .
if not then it would make the city limits of rome the lake of fire . but if the beast is thrown into the lake of fire, then how can the ten horns burn the great city riding on the beast?
because in one scene the city is burned by rulers but in the scene where those rulers are devoured by birds and killed by the guy on the horsey and the sword coming out of his mouth well i guess dead guys cannot throw too far eh?
i'll lurk a bit before voting . i don't think i understand the question yet .
the 'lake of fire' is a figurative expression used symbolically to describe the type and nature of a judgment that is Divinely inspired by God.
These expressions lake of fire/unquechable fire/are common expressions used throughout biblical prophecy, in both the OT and the NT.
They serve to express a judgment from God that is against a nation of people.
Isaiah 34 gives an accurate detailing of these prophetic expressions against Edom, and were fulfilled 2500 years ago.
The usage of lake in John's prophecetic term 'lake of fire' is equivalent to the fiery judgment coming upon the nation of Israel like a flood. Just as Daniel and Hosea had used this expression..
Hosea 5:10
Judah's leaders are like those who move boundary stones. I will pour out my wrath on them like a flood of water.
Daniel 9:26
After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
David uses this same type of expresion in his Psalm
Psalm 88:17
All day long they surround me like a flood; they have completely engulfed me.
John uses 'lake' as 'flood' is used in the scriptures and for the same purposes in describing how the fiery judgment from God will be overwhelming to those who are subjected to it.
On the flip side 'flood' is used to describe how God pours out His blessings upon someone as well, as if to say God opens the floodgates of heaven and pours out His blessings.
The language is figurative and not literal. There is no literal 'lake of fire' that is suggested as a place in an afterlife realm for tormenting souls for eternity.
Those two cites/towers/mountains/land/earth are pictures of the same soul in either the state of saving it, or losing it, and relate to the individual as much as it does to the collective of this truth, which relate to the perception of self as the son we are. The deceived soul (Eve (not the woman) is the mother of all living and equates to Hagar as it does to Babylon, which becomes a confusion of face, hence the first heaven and earth (or the perception there of/as an Ishmael) fleeing from the face of him who sits on the throne (as a place granted to sit in which relates to the feast of Tabernacles as being in us that God rests, which is not as measured as the harlot makes it into).