JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

Here's what this Apostle asked.

Galatians 4:21
Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

Saint Steven said:

Here's what this Apostle asked.

Galatians 4:21
Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

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If being "under the law" means being under "the condemnation" of the law, why would anyone WANT that? Clearly NOT what it means.

In this scripture, the Apostle "became like one under the law". Did he become like one under "the condemnation" the law? How would he do that? He also says that there are those who do not have the law. Thus "the law" was not given to all of humanity, only to the Israelites.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

Saint Steven said:

I see Jesus deconstructing the law throughout the Gospel accounts.

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Wow. I see God's word saying instead:

Isa_42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It would be impossible to 'fulfil' a law that is being 'deconstructed'. Has the present heaven and earth passed away? All the prophecies are fulfilled?

Ought I to trust your eyesight, or what God's word says?

Matthew ten Verseight said:

Wow. I see God's word saying instead:

Isa_42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It would be impossible to 'fulfil' a law that is being 'deconstructed'. Has the present heaven and earth passed away? All the prophecies are fulfilled?

Ought I to trust your eyesight, or what God's word says?

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Thanks for your comments. I hope this helps.
Here's what my "eyesight" on God's word tells me.

In the gospel account of Luke, Jesus explains what he meant in Matt,5:17-19. (see below) This helps to answer an important question. What is meant by the phrase "the Law or the Prophets"? And in what sense are they "fulfilled" by Jesus?

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
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Furthermore, Jesus goes on in Matt.5 to deconstruct the law with six "You have heard that it was said... But I tell you..." statements which treat the law as hearsay.

If you claim that Jesus was making the law MORE binding, you will have to explain why he would be confirming "Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth". (Matt.5:38)

Saint Steven said:

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

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Yes, in regards the first Advent, not the Second or Third Advents, see the context of Luke 24:44.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

All things are not fulfilled. This Heaven and earth are still here.

Saint Steven said:

Furthermore, Jesus goes on in Matt.5 to deconstruct the law with six "You have heard that it was said... But I tell you..." statements which treat the law as hearsay.

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"Hearing it said' was Pharisaical law (Rabbinism), not written (It is written) law.

Mat_5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Jesus was correcting the mindset from traditions of men to actual commandments of God.

Matthew ten Verseight said:

Yes, in regards the first Advent, not the Second or Third Advents, see the context of Luke 24:44.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

All things are not fulfilled. This Heaven and earth are still here.

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So, you are an Adventist? (SDA)

Yes but you were making claims about the law itself, unless I misunderstood you.

When Christ says, "the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.", he was referring to the books, not the law itself.

Matthew ten Verseight said:

"Hearing it said' was Pharisaical law (Rabbinism), not written (It is written) law.

Mat_5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Jesus was correcting the mindset from traditions of men to actual commandments of God.

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There may have been some of that, but for the most part he was QUOTING the Law. The references are given in the Matt.5 footnotes.

Matthew ten Verseight said:

Yes, in regards the first Advent, not the Second or Third Advents, see the context of Luke 24:44.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

All things are not fulfilled. This Heaven and earth are still here.

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Walking in the steps of faith as did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Ro 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Ro 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. {in faith: Gr. according to faith }

I like to look at Matthew 22 this way: THE HANGER



The Greatest Commandment

34 And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together.
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question:
36“Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”
37 Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Lulav said:

I like to look at Matthew 22 this way: THE HANGER

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The Greatest Commandment

34 And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together.
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question:
36“Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”
37 Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

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I tell folks that once I get loving God and loving my neighbor down I will start worrying about the other commandments.

Lulav said:

I like to look at Matthew 22 this way: THE HANGER

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The Greatest Commandment

34 And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together.
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question:
36“Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”
37 Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

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Nice Biblical picture.

Saint Steven said:

So, you are an Adventist? (SDA)

Yes but you were making claims about the law itself, unless I misunderstood you.

When Christ says, "the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.", he was referring to the books, not the law itself.

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When Jesus spoke of "the Law of Moses, the prophets and the Psalms" he was talking about the entire TaNaK (OT), true, but that is not what is cited in Matthew 5. The reference you refer to is in Luke 24:44, a totally different context than Matthew 5's setting in regards Rabbinism (Ye have heard that it was said ...) and oral teachings contrary to God's Law (It is written).

bbbbbbb said:

I tell folks that once I get loving God and loving my neighbor down I will start worrying about the other commandments.

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How do you love God and neighbour exclusive of the explicit commands cited? It seems you are attempting to redefine 'love' by some other standard than the standard of the Ten Commandments, which are the transcript of God's character of love (see Exo. 33, 34 and 20)

bbbbbbb said:

I tell folks that once I get loving God and loving my neighbor down I will start worrying about the other commandments.

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Loving God is obeying His commandments. You can’t love the God of Jacob but not obey His commands. It doesn’t work that way.

Matthew ten Verseight said:

How do you love God and neighbour exclusive of the explicit commands cited? It seems you are attempting to redefine 'love' by some other standard than the standard of the Ten Commandments, which are the transcript of God's character of love (see Exo. 33, 34 and 20)

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Actually, I have not worried about refraining from working for an entire year, have you?

Dkh587 said:

Loving God is obeying His commandments. You can’t love the God of Jacob but not obey His commands. It doesn’t work that way.

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I see. When was the last Sabbatical year of the Lord, and what did you do during the entire year?

bbbbbbb said:

Actually, I have not worried about refraining from working for an entire year, have you?

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We are speaking about God's Ten Commandments, being "spiritual" (Rom. 7:14), of which God "added no more" (Deut. 5:22), thus they are called "Ten" (Exo. 34:28; Deut. 4:13, 10:4) and not 'eleven', 'twelve' or six hundred and thirteen anywhere in scripture.

The Ten Commandments are the transcript of His character of love, not a type as the sabbatical year would be, of the great Sabbath of the LORD, Millennium.

Why do you throw out a red-herring and attempt to compare apples to oranges?

bbbbbbb said:

I see. When was the last Sabbatical year of the Lord, and what did you do during the entire year?

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That is confusion of God's (His, My) sabbaths (Exo. 20:8-11, 31:13; Eze. 22:26) and "your" (their, Israels after the flesh) (Lev. 26:34-45) or "her" (the lands) sabbaths (Lev. 26:34,43; 2 Chr. 36:21; Lam. 1:7; Hos. 2:11).

The 10 commandments had nothing to do with love They were all about duty to God and their fellow man. The love commands are found in the book of the law.


Leviticus 19:18
‘“Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbour as yourself. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 6:5
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.